In constant crisis

Zyra. She/her. 🇲🇽🇺🇲. Undead banshee. Depressed and dramatic bi disaster snek. Obsessed with Hiddles. Loki Stan (Thor-T:TDW and comics only). I hate the Loki show. Heathen/Lokean hearth witch blog: @witchcraft-in-the-cellar

[nikkoshierlokiofneeds]

[nikkoshierlokiofneeds]

i needed a hug, but all they gave me was a box of matches and a knife.

[burberrybushbaby-deactivated201]

how the fuck am i supposed to make life decisions i’m not even sure i want to be alive

[nikkoliferous]

Read a hot take first thing this morning about Heimdall being a saint for “welcoming home the guy who once turned him into an icicle, after he showed up late to an apocalypse he sort of started”.

I am so, so tired, y'all. This fandom is exhausting.

So let’s just be clear on three things, k?

Loki froze Heimdall after Heimdall tried to murder him.

Loki was late because his brother left him writhing in agony, paralysed, helpless in enemy territory where he could have easily been discovered and executed.

Loki in no way, shape or form started Ragnarok. I don’t know how to explain to people that just because the hero-coded character makes an accusation, that doesn’t mean their assumptions are by definition true. Loki didn’t lock Hela away in the first place, nor was he even aware of her existence. He also did not kill Odin, nor did he actually harm him; all that he did was erase his memories and exile him. Odin’s health has been failing since the first Thor film, so if you think Loki is somehow responsible for that, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Ok? Good talk.

[nikkoliferous]

An afterthought:

Discerning viewers might note that all three of the above points illustrate Loki’s inherent goodness, not his villainy. He would have been more than justified in killing both Heimdall and Odin, but he elected to simply exile them both instead. He would have been more than justified in abandoning Thor and the Asgardians to their fate, but he showed up with The Statesman— without which the majority, if not all, of them would have died on Asgard. All those people sure as hell weren’t going to be leaving on the Commodore or getting beamed off Asgard via the Bifröst. Loki owes none of these people anything—and yet over and over again, he proves his loyalty and goodness only to be met with scorn, not only by the narrative itself but by the fandom.

I just really, really need folks to stop pretending everything Loki has ever done has occurred in a vacuum, ok? Just because these are comic book movies doesn’t mean you need to check your brain at the theatre door.

[iamnmbr3]

#loki has saved the universe at a minimum twice and arguably more times than that #and he is never ever going to get the credit he deserves #he is never ever going to stop being framed as a villain (tags via @nikkoliferous)

[iamnmbr3]

#it’s hard being a character whose very existence is tied to being the one everyone blames#he’s never going to escape that#discerning viewers? In this economy?#the last time I watched ragnarok with my mom we got to the end and she was like:#wow they wouldn’t have won if it wasn’t for loki#😌👉#they were literally losing. As he told Thor they would. But he showed up anyway#the mcu has succeeded in convincing some viewers that Loki is a bad guy only occasionally/recently turned good#but he’s actually remarkably loyal and forgiving to a FAULT#even accounting for the mischaracterization and attempts by recent writers to cast him in a different light (tags via @the-stars-descend)   

[nikkoliferous]

this is one of those things about Loki that most delights and amuses me, though. Marvel has to increasingly have other characters verbalise the “fact” that Loki is a terrible person because any objective look at his actions reveals someone who cares for and looks out for others very much, even to his own detriment. and this is not only the case in his earlier appearances in the MCU, but even after Marvel began actively attempting to retcon him by hiring writers and directors who openly dislike him. no matter how hard Marvel tries to depict him as a selfish bastard, it just. doesn’t. work. he won’t cooperate. sure, a lot of viewers will believe it because they listen to what the hero-coded characters say about Loki rather than analysing Loki’s actual behaviour (critical thinking? what’s that?). but anyone who takes the time to actually look at his actions and weigh them against that narrative can’t help but see the inherent contradiction. the “Loki” series was literally centred around the notion that he’s a terrible person who doesn’t care about anyone but himself and even THAT couldn’t accurately sell its own premise. series fans will insist that he was changed through 🌠 tHe pOwEr oF LoVe 🌠, but he was displaying compassion well before he gets to know Sylvie. Hunter B-15, who has delighted in dehumanising him at every available opportunity since they first met, collapses and he immediately rushes to check that she’s ok. oh yeah, what a bastard. smh can’t believe Loki only ever thinks of himself. /s

not to mention the idea of Sylvie teaching anyone compassion is equally as hilarious as Thor “teaching” Loki how to be good by… torturing him into submission while gloating over him lol in either case, someone would need to teach these characters the aforementioned virtues before they could possibly pass them onto anyone else. but i digress.

[winterfrostlovetriangle]

So it seems I was blocked by a blog because I don't tag my posts properly. Honestly, I rarely tag because I forget and sometimes I'm just too lazy. So if you don't like me or what I have to say, you can feel free to block me or just keep on scrolling.

Apologies for inconveniencing anyone by reposting something that you've blocked the tags for and not tagging properly. 🙄 Or for not staying silent when someone narc or bully needs to be called out. I'm done with staying silent y'all. Block or keep on scrolling. OR you can just unfollow me.

[nikkoliferous]

I'll tell you what, series stans. I'm willing to compromise. I'll start tagging my "negativity" again when you guys start tagging your positivity. because personally, I'm tired of trying to search for Loki content only to be met with a bunch of Sylvie shit. I'm tired of seeing people defend torture and abuse because Loki "deserves" it. I'm tired of seeing people armchair analyze my mental health on the basis of me disliking a tv show or otherwise spread lies about my problems with the show despite my reasons being well-documented and not at all ambiguous. etc, etc.

I genuinely wish series stans could spend just one day in the life of someone who hates this show with every fibre of their being, no longer being able to so much as Google Loki's name without being overwhelmed by series content and some of the worst hot takes about his character imaginable.

[worstloki]

imagine asking mcu actors questions about the upcoming film as if they know what's in the movie they're starring in.............bro they saw the trailer just like u.................

[nikkoliferous]

unironically convinced that there's at least a 75% chance that you as a viewer know more about the film or television show they're starring in than the actors themselves do.

[anxietyproblem]

[queenerestor]

I want 1000 Friggas

[nikkoliferous]

“you fucked up, Loki”, said the woman who handed full control of the most powerful realm in the Nine to an emotionally unstable young man just hours (at most) after dumping the most traumatizing revelation of his life on his lap and failing to even adequately comfort him about it or take his concerns seriously, wherein control of said realm included navigating a war with the very race he’d just found out he secretly belongs to—a race that she had a personal hand in teaching him to fear and dehumanise—and then just left him to his own devices, apparently not even bothering to aid in a smooth transition of power by ensuring anyone respected that his rule was legitimate.

…ok, Frigga.

[youlackconviction]

ok, frigga in serious danger of becoming a version of ok, boomer meme

[nikkoliferous]

odin already beat her to it lol

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

Okay, on the Loki is a narcissist bullshit.

Longing for external validation is something related to narcissists but also people who feel insecure about themselves: they need someone to tell them they're enough because they feel lesser than those around them.

So, the narcs feel above everyone else, those who lack self-love feel underneath everyone.

And I think this is what the series got wrong. Loki has never felt the need to position himself above anyone, the only thing he has always wanted is to stop feeling like he's lesser than every Asgardian, he wanted someone to tell him he's as worthy as they are - not better, at the same level.

So while yes, that would make Loki long for external validation, the place he's coming from is the exact opposite of that of a narcissist!

A narcissist would want two things: to believe he's the greatest thing in the universe and to think everyone else is beneath him. These are two different things but essential for them because it's not enough that they're the best, they also need those around them to be the worst.

So yeah, all this to say the series is wrong.

[justarandomgirly]

Pro series fans claim Loki is narcissist because Waldron wrote it that way,

then they tell me he doesnt use magic because he doesnt wanna hurt anyone. Such a narcissistic thing to do.

[lotus-eyedindiangoddess]

I remember when someone who claimed to work with narcissists on tumblr said that they also think Loki's a narcissist, simply because he showed "entitlement". What was this entitlement you ask? Him wanting Odin's love and affection in Thor 1. Apparently, now if you want love and affection you're "entitled". This person claimed to not want to be ableist, but has likely misdiagnosed most of their patients as narcissists based on this criteria alone.

They also asked me if I've read the DSM-5, and I have and while it's a little ableist in many ways, they grossly misinterpreted the narcissism part. I would also like to mention that this person didn't specify what TYPE of narcissism they were referring to either. None of the types fit Loki either way, so they would still be wrong.

NTs in the psych community... What the FUCK is wrong with you people?

[shadow-turtle-234]

Even briefly looking up the symptoms for NPD presented MAYO Clinic (again, I am not studying phycology, I am studying animation - it doesn't excuse me for not doing research on the topic [since the showrunners couldn't be damned to actually look up what they were talking about]), it can easily be debated Larry can fit into roughly two (at most) to four (at least) of the thirteen traits (however, these traits can be also seen as someone who, like Loki, lacks self-love).

Whereas with Sylvie...

[lotus-eyedindiangoddess]

When his traits can fit other disorders and can be explained by other environmental or socio-psychological factors OTHER than the ones that could be used to diagnose NPD, because with NPD, when I was studying it... They were very clear that certain types of trauma may help cause NPD but only if it was vulnerable narcissism and the same doesn't apply to grandiose narcissism which is what Loki is usually accused of having, based on the stereotypical traits people keep pointing out.

And these are the criteria for diagnosis of NPD:

1. Applies to Thor (as Loki is mostly not allowed to say shit)

2. Thor... Literally just Thor again.

3. Sylvie and Odin, funny enough.

4. Loki looks for affection and acceptance more than admiration.

5. If someone says him wanting to be loved equally is entitlement once again, I will bitch slap your ableist ass to space.

6. Everyone does this, but the reason this is a trait and classed as a disorder is if it happens disproportionately more often than dictated by the norms. And guess what... In the course of eleven years, since Loki has been on screen, I have seen him maybe be interpersonally exploitative maybe TWICE. Meanwhile, Sylvie on the other hand was doing it to Loki the WHOLE TIME she was on screen!

7. Thor1, TDW and even in Avengers... He has empathy and most definitely cares or he wouldn't be giving up his life in TDW to save Thor, or even in Infinity War when he saw how much pain Thor was in. That is empathy, not a manipulation and people who can't recognise that may need to re-evaluate what exactly they think empathy is. This does however... Apply to Sylvie. And there are many examples in the show to demonstrate a lack of empathy on her part.

8. Well he admitted this maybe once? In the deleted scene, no less but admitted it outright while also stating his love for Thor... So... And I would also like to mention that everyone gets envious. With Loki it seemed to happen far too less to be categorised as being a trait for a disorder.

9. As a role he is playing. He literally only ever does this in Avengers when he's mind controlled, but for most of the time he's been on screen he's been more focused on being sassy, defending himself and dealing with Thor's arrogant and haughty attitudes more than anything. This is another thing Sylvie displays a LOT of throughout the season.

[nikkoliferous]

I would like to underscore that there are a number of disorders which stem from insecurity and the need for external validation other than narcissism, including ones for which Loki better fits the criteria (note: I am not "diagnosing" Loki with any of those disorders either, merely making a point that if I were to diagnose him with any PD, it would not be NPD). A need for external validation and a poor sense of self do not in and of themselves make a narcissist. What determines whether one has NPD is how these problems get expressed through one's behaviour. Loki's trauma and insecurity do not get expressed through narcissistic traits. He holds no illusions of being excessively (or hell, even reasonably) admired, nor does he show an inability to tolerate defiance (you're thinking of Odin, Thor and Sylvie—all of whom have shown a distinct tendency to interpret other people simply displaying autonomy as a personal betrayal. Odin in washing his hands of his children every time they disobey him; Thor in consistently assuming every inconvenient thing Loki does is to injure him personally; Sylvie in literally accusing Loki of betrayal purely because he comes to a different conclusion about how to deal with HWR. She cannot fathom how he's not immediately in lockstep with her and lashes out as a result).

Loki, on the other hand, not only doesn't show an intolerance for defiance; he willingly and repeatedly sacrifices his dignity and safety for the sake of those who have consistently mistreated him. He shows an enormous degree of patience and self-restraint under normal circumstances and even to some extent when severely emotionally dysregulated, as in Avengers and the tail-end of Thor 2011. I could write an entire book on the ways in which Loki's behaviour not only doesn't support a diagnosis of NPD but actively contradicts the way a narcissist would react to either real or perceived slights. I won't, but I could.

All of which is not even getting into the incredibly toxic messaging in the series that the way to deal with a narcissist is to literally and figuratively beat them into submission. This 1) would not work and 2) is literally torture. You cannot torture a person into becoming mentally healthy. Add this to the list of explicit statements I never expected to have to make in life because it should be fucking obvious. And invariably, the people parroting the notion that Loki is a narcissist (citations seriously needed) are the same people insisting he was transformed over the course of the series and "learned to care about others". By... what? Being constantly told to shut up? Being gaslit about "killing" his mother and told his only purpose in life is to be a footstool for his betters? Being subjected to genital torture until he breaks down and says whatever he has to, to make it stop? Is that what y'all imagine happens to us Cluster B types in therapy? That we get physically beaten while someone stands over us and tells us how worthless we are? Fucking hell.

[lotus-eyedindiangoddess]

Smh, how many times do I have to say this?

Pro Series ≠ Pro Loki

Same way :

Anti Series ≠ Anti Loki

Most of the time it's the fucking opposite in both cases. Most of the people who hate the series LOVE Loki the character. Many of the people who like the show, have admitted to hating Loki's character in the movies. Please get that into your heads before looking at our blogs and deciding to send anon hate for disliking a lying piece of media, that we paid to watch and then got cheated out of.

We are consumers and people... Who were promised something we paid to watch, then got cheated out of it. You are not the good guy for having "fun" with the thing we wanted to like, but ended up hating... And we are not the bad guys for not being able to have "fun" with the piece of media we wanted to like, but offended us so much, we ended up hating it. Don't like that? Please learn to curate your tumblr experiences then, and stop asking us to cater to your personal whims and fancies. If you don't like posting stuff I want on MY blog, then you can fuck off from my blog and stay far away.

People in fandom who got hurt by the company that created the character centering said fandom, are allowed to fucking rant about it. We're allowed to be mad that our favourite character was wrecked by a money hungry, greedy, queerphobic multi-billion dollar company, you depraved fucks. ESPECIALLY after they took our money after LYING to us to make us watch it!

[thesuperiorloki]

dude imagine being a fan of Loki for the past eleven years and thinking not only that Sylvie and Mobius are good characters, but that they have any right to even be standing in the same room as him…. it could truly never be me.

[justarandomgirly]

He had the audacity to say it while wearing THAT

[catfandango]

He could have changed his clothes. He could use magic here.

Imagine if as he said style, he changed outfits as he was walking. That could have been cool.

Instead we got more of this beige nightmare.

[justarandomgirly]

Apperently they were afraid clothes would steal focus from his character.

Funny they were not afraid of that when it comes to Sylvie. @kittyfandango

[demi-raven]

No! He's the one person who can pull off "this beige nightmare". I love that outfit on him so much. Do not take this away from me.

He could have style while wearing a sack of potatoes.

[lotus-eyedindiangoddess]

Good for you.

However, If voicing our displeasure with the cheap and poor costuming choices for our beloved character "takes away from" you then perhaps you should not be reading or engaging with our takes. Our criticisms of multiple aspects of the show may continue to feel like we're taking something away from you, even though it's OUR displeasure and you're perfectly welcome to enjoy the beige nightmare and ooc style choice despite that. I don't see why our displeasure affects your love of the beige nightmare.

[lokis-nebby-neighbor-deactivate]

I will never understand the what exactly users like that person up there hope to accomplish by barging into a critical post to whine about how we’re “taking” something away from them? How, exactly? Is this person’s sense of self and independent thought so fragile that they are completely incapable of seeing something they love criticized? Is their identity so inextricably linked to their fandom that they view differences of opinion as a personal attack?

Pro Fandom Tip: If seeing criticism of something you enjoy makes you this upset, that is a YOU problem, not an US problem. 

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

@lokis-nebby-neighbor Seriously so true, I swear some people within the Loki fanbase or others apart of fandom spaces and dealing with entertainment media needs to truly understand that you can still love also like a show while recognizing the flaws / issues within it. Oh! And realize that no matter what piece of media you love or like is still going to get criticize regardless of your personal feelings on it, like there's plenty of things I'm a fan of also really love that I know gets either shit on or had criticisms on it one way or another, even ones were I agree with the criticism that is said about a thing I like. If you view different thoughts & critical views as a attack or "negativity " or if people having criticism on anything you enjoy gets you this rattle up then maybe you got some serious issues to work on.

[littleabriel-blog]

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read our takes.

If you don’t like our criticism of the Loki series and everything in it, then move on. “Wah don’t take this away from me” makes you sound like you’re telling us we aren’t allow to have our feelings and opinions, which is some rather authoritarian thinking.

[youlackconviction]

it’s almost as if... if even just ONE of us series-anti-LOKI-fans points out anything bad in the way LOKI was treated/handled/portrayed, the series-fan(s) won’t be ABLE to unsee or unthink it...

...because maybe there’s actually some legitimate basis to our dissatisfaction.

it doesn’t work in reverse because no matter how many times a series-fan tries to tell me seriesLOKI > moviesLOKI, i simply cannot believe or see it for myself.

[nikkoliferous]

just trying to imagine me stumbling onto every Tumblr post that claims The Dark World was lacklustre and demanding that people never say a single bad word about it because they're "taking away" my personal enjoyment of the film with their slander.

nearly everywhere you go on the internet, people are disparaging TDW whenever it's mentioned. and nearly everywhere you go on the internet, people are inexplicably praising the Larry show. but for some reason, it's not good enough for some fans to like a generally popular thing. some folks have got to track down the few places we have to express our grief and rage and try to silence us there too because, I guess, they identify SO strongly with the media they like that knowing even one person anywhere in the world dislikes it "ruins" it for them. I can only imagine how they would react to liking an actually unpopular piece of media.

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

So the logic some people are using to defend Loki's characterization in the series is to claim that he was out of character in every single movie before the Disney+ show.

No, really. Instead of admitting they ruined his character in the series they're saying Marvel wrote him wrong in 5 movies and it wasn't until the show that they finally got his characterization right.

[justarandomgirly]

Whats more likely?

That 6 movies in 10 years got a character wrong, including people who created him

or that new writers that never had anything to do with Loki just....fucked him up?

And btw. If he was OOC all these years...

What did they appreciate about him all these years?

[iamnmbr3]

it’s not possible for the original movie to have gotten his character wrong because they created his character. MCU!Loki is a new and distinct character different from myth!Loki and comics!Loki (though obviously inspired by both) and his character, motivations, and backstory were created in the first movie. smh. but yes I have seen this absolutely insane take from multiple people. even though it makes no sense and is contrary to logic and the basic rules of reality. people are just desperate to bend over backwards to justify the Larry show’s insulting malicious vandalism of one of the MCU’s best characters. 

[nikkoliferous]

when you consider the number of people I've seen admit that they never really liked or cared for Loki's character until the series, this batshit take starts to make slightly more sense. when they say he was "OOC" in the previous films (including the film that literally established his character in the first place), what many of them really mean—it would seem—is that they didn't connect with his character in the previous films. for them, OOC doesn't mean "acting in ways contrary to his established personality"; it means not appealing to them personally.

for the people who genuinely liked and followed Loki as a character all these years who are now adopting this take tho... pfffft fuck I got nothing.

[woulddieforloki]

this is great and all but I don’t think it’s possible for Loki to get more unstable than he was by the end of the first Thor movie. that man was a special kind of unhinged.

[woulddieforloki]

why do you people run Loki stan account if you’ve hated every piece of new Loki content in the last eight years

[lokis-nebby-neighbor-deactivate]

Because we’re fans of Loki the character, we have every right to be here, every right to express our opinions, just as you have every right to do the same.

[lotus-eyedindiangoddess]

Being a Loki Stan isn’t about being a fan of the CONTENT, it’s about being a fan of the CHARACTER. When the content in question(especially new and created by people who openly profess their hatred for and lack of knowledge with respect to said character) , disrespects said character, we’re OBVIOUSLY going to hate it.

[nikkoliferous]

I am so incredibly exhausted with people conflating Loki the character with Loki the series—a show which, were you to ask us, you would discover one of our primary complaints about is that we never saw Loki, the character we love and empathise with and have followed for years, at any point in the show. We saw Tom Hiddleston with dark hair. Tom Hiddleston might play Loki, and play him very well indeed (or at least he used to 😬), but his presence alone does not make Loki. Tom Hiddleston with dark hair speaking and acting in ways the character we followed from 2011 to 2013 never would does not equal a show about Loki. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. if you’re happy with what the series gave us, good for you, be happy with it. but don’t try to tell us we’re not fans of Loki just because we think he deserves WAY FUCKING BETTER than the current canon. it’s insulting.

[cancerianwastelandcat]

I am not a spn fan, I have never seen a single episode of spn, but let me tell you that every time I see it trending I am ready to receive some completely batshit crazy mind-blowing unhinged piece of information

[crayola-samgirl]

[lets-steal-an-archive]

[kittydesade]

Of course there’s a fucking gif for it.

[librarychair]

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Please reblog this if you think your followers will find it useful. I haven't seen anyone talking about this, it's just something I noticed recently, so I want the info to become more public to help people who might be struggling.

[chronicallylav3nd3r]

cancelling plans because you’re feeling unwell does not make you a bad friend

having to go home early because you’re feeling unwell does not make you a bad friend

needing a break during a social event because you’re feeling unwell does not make you a bad friend

anyone who tells you otherwise is not your friend