The Disco Pony

My discourse side blog

[cardentist]

it's really obvious that people have just been using trans men as an "acceptable" sponge for their bigotry, and since it's largely worked out for them they're pushing the limits on what Sorts of bigotry they can get away with repackaging

[cardentist]

with the scare quotes around "converted" and preamble about disabled trans men existing In Theory, the implication is that trans men are faking being disabled and faking being jewish for (presumably) minority points. to make people give them sympathy points they don't Really deserve because they're Not Actually disabled or jewish

and if you stretch it further, there's a Huge amount of people in anti-transmasculinity spaces that very much so insist that trans masc spaces are full of fakers who are only pretending to be trans for internet points and never Really suffer. and even further that trans men in general aren't REALLY oppressed the same way other trans people are.

the core of the idea is "these people are lying about the pain they experience, and it's our job to out them as fakers so they don't get support they don't deserve"

which is a common sentiment in queer spaces, but is USUALLY obscured by SOMETHING. but people have started saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to trans men

[disco-pony]

"What causes all those chronic illnesses and canes?" It's the medical misogyny, babes! It's the way that illnesses that primarily affect people assigned female (as in, numerically on average), are both underresearched and underdiagnosed so by the time a doctor takes you seriously, you've already had permanent damage done to your whole body, and the treatments are likely just "Put up with it, have you tried gabapentin? Have you tried Acceptance And Commitment Therapy?"

But nah, those foids just love to lie about being disabled, just like every time they do something that implies they have an inner life or spiritual needs they're just yakking for attention.

[noblackwomannocry]

isupportforcefem and the white trans problem, or: bringing up black people to look less like a rape culture advocate

note: before you say anything know that this post was written by a black woman who is not going to take your hit dog hollering seriously

one thing myself and others have noticed from isupportforcefem is a bizarre inclination to shoving "and black people" where it isn't at all required. issues that directly affect transfems have an "and black people" tacked on to make the reader consider that not only is what being discussed transmisogynistic, but potentially racist, and wouldn't that just be terrible? The constant juxtaposition comes across as though isff believes accusations of transmisogyny to not be serious enough, whereas beefing such discrimination up with potential racism makes others more liable to consider it "real".

take these two posts:

these posts are based on a false premise: the idea that, in tandem with trans people being constantly falsely accused of rape, black people are also constantly falsely accused of rape.

I do not know any people, black or nonblack, cis or trans, who have been falsely accused of rape. the idea that false rape accusations are 1. a source of discrimination that these specific groups face and 2. a commonality between them requires you to believe that

false rape accusations are commonly made, and

for some reason trans people and black people are constantly accused of this

this requires you to align yourself with the misogynistic belief that false accusations of rape are constantly weaponised against the accused. the premise requires you to believe that there are squawking harpies constantly accusing innocents of rape, and that they must not be believed. pokeballvictimized's entire blog for the last few days has been trying to get you to believe that "actually who gets to determine what rape is?" is a line of logic a true transfeminist would follow and not logic imported straight from seething incels on 4chan.

the related "and black people" thing here is white transfems knowing a basic concept - that, in countries where we are minorities, black people are incarcerated at disproportionate rates; that we are more likely to be falsely accused of crimes; and that racially-based accusations of sexual assault and rape have, in cases, been weaponised against black men - and mixing these into a finely blended soup to run away with it. black people as a whole are similar to transfems because we are constantly accused of rape. black transfems are constantly accused of rape. where did they get that? don't worry about it, just know it's happening. the woman who confessed to choking a woman unconscious in a parking lot and complained about how mean people are being for bringing up that she choked a woman unconscious in a parking lot (highly recommend searching "anonsee" on bluesky to see what people have said about storyweavingspider, serial boundary violator during sex who tries to frame these assaults as just being part of kink!) is in support of it, and she's our token black woman, so it's all good. 👍

if you see yourself as someone who cares about women, who cares about victims of sexual violence, and who does not ally themselves with those who perpetrate sexual violence, you must see these posts for what they are: people who assume that everyone else is constantly being "falsely" accused of sexual harassment dragging black people into it because they need to look better. the idea of ubiquitous false allegations of rape and sexual assault is something coined by misogynistic men. no useful transfeminist analysis can operate under the assumption that waves of innocents are being falsely accused of rape while not addressing what this says: that malintentioned vile creatures are doing the accusing, that they are lying, that whatever assault or rape they report is an attempt to have someone unpersoned and socially murdered. you must also see it as an inherently racist act to bring up black people solely to go "a-and it's not just me, black transfems i mean uh people get this too!"

if you are surrounded by people constantly accused of rape it would do you good to assess exactly what sort of company you are keeping. "My friends are constantly accused of rape" is a line only people like Bret from the frat house, iignoremissingstairs86 from IRC and John Politics the senator should be capable of saying, because these are the types of people who would keep accused rapists in their company. false accusations of sexual violence form a very small fraction of total accusations, and these false accusations are usually vague accusations with no named perpetrator. the idea that a specific group of people are constantly targeted by false accusations of sexual violence flies in the face of what we know to be fact about sexual violence reporting and statistics.

again, consider: what benefit do these people derive from going "and black people" when talking about issues very specific to them and their online circles of people who seemingly constantly engage in behaviour worthy of being accused of sexual violence? they want you to connect the struggle that black people have in proving our innocence when accused of crimes with their struggle: being ostracised from communities for behaviour ranging from sexual harassment to outright sexual assault. they want you to equivocate these struggles because they earnestly believe that systemic discrimination against black people is equivalent to their former friendcord's self-policing.

this is something that only someone racist is capable of. make no mistake about it. there is nothing innocent about bringing up black people in an exaggerated defense against "false" accusations of sexual violence. they want you to feel guilty because you, the reader, know that systems are stacked against black people, and they want you to feel that their "struggle" - being constantly accused of sexual assault, something they attempt to paint as normal for trans people - is equivalent. do not believe them. it is transphobic and racist rhetoric and these people should be shamed.

I will conclude this with another post from isupportforcefem shoving black people into unnecessary hyperonline transfem discourse:

note that again black people are brought up where we are irrelevant. the gun that kills transfems And Black People. because us black people are constantly hurting others, you see, just as transfems are constantly hurting others - but don't worry, we aren't worth ostracising, even if we do constantly hurt people. you have to include us for our mistakes. said mistakes may range from being racist to being a rapist. but please forgive us. social ostracisation is on par with murder after all.

note the final post that would make Brock Turner proud: "accountability is a lie made to hurt underprivileged members." the concept of recognising the missing stair is, to people like isff, a form of oppression in itself: to warn people about someone's past behaviour is as good as pulling the trigger on them yourself. accountability of any form, including accountability as minor as no longer being allowed to participate in a community with someone you have harmed, is a falsehood - because by doing this to protect others you are hurting the feelings of someone who has done wrong, and transfems And Black People Btw who are more likely to do wrong somehow will be really hurt :(

[autistichalsin]

Damn this post was eye-opening. And so true. I don't know a single person in my life who has been falsely accused of rape, but I sure do know a lot of rape survivors falsely accused of being "hysterical" or "oversensitive" or "manipulative" or "trying to ruin a good person's life over a misunderstanding."

False accusations are not a problem on the scale people on this site want us to think it is. I remember when "false accusations" were rightly seen as a misogynistic whataboutism meant to derail talks about rape culture. Now we're doing "but false accusations!!!" Wokely, so it's okay... what the fuck ever. And the racism of trying to use black people as a human shield against this "problem" is just... vile. (Obviously this is different from people trying to, say, classify drag shows near children or teaching them about Pride as pedophilia; that actually IS pedojacketing. But even then, note that the accusation isn't coming from any of the children who would be seeing a drag performer, but instead from the government twisting the language to begin with... so still it's not an example of a lying, false victim making accusations.)

Plus it doesn't escape my notice that usually, the people getting accused of "predatorjacketing" the trans people in these instances are themselves queer; it's blatantly putting trans victims below trans predators on the hierarchy. If it really was about protecting trans people, there would be a desire to remove predators from the community before they could hurt more people. Not to protect the predators from the consequences of THEIR OWN ACTIONS. It was always about protecting predators over the victims, even when those victims are trans, all along.

Oh I am so mad. I can't believe I let people on this site convince me to start using such an inherently anti-survivor sentiment in the name of "protecting" marginalized people. It's been feminism 101 for DECADES that "false accusations" are a wildly exaggerated phenomenon and the language around it exists solely to delegitimize rape victims. But they put a leftist coat of paint on it, intertwined it with racial issues and with the government passing laws with language intended to target queer people, and had me buying it, hook line and sinker when it was just repackaged rape apologism all along. They fucking exploited my desire not to harm people through systemic violence. Oh I am so fucking maddddd

[autistichalsin]

Sorry to reblog-spam, and especially with a novella of a reply, but I keep thinking about this.

One thing I noticed too is that the fear is always "what if you're falsely accusing a trans woman of being a predator? What then? What if you singlehandedly get trans women killed? Is that what you want?"

But there's never fear the other way. "What if we're ignoring a victim of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, or other sexual violence? What if we're perpetrating rape culture by silencing victims? What if we create an environment where missing stairs operate with impunity? What if our collective indifference to sexual assault causes a victim to commit suicide?"

There is already a society-wide presumption that false accusations do more harm than actual sexual violence, and that predators are more worthy of protection than people they victimize. There's already an implicit, built-in framework that the victims are the ones at fault. They should have fought harder, not dressed that way, not been into kink, not refused to do kink, not been impressionable young people... The victims have to act carefully so as not to cause "undue" harm to the one who hurt them. The victims are the ones expected to act responsibly. Their pain is secondary to the hypothetical pain making an accusation could cause. Even though false accusations just do not actually lead to the kind of life-ruining people say it does. People accused of rape, DV, harassment, and other crimes rarely have any problem becoming politicians, musicians, athletes, priests, teachers, and other respected figures after this comes to light.

Notice that all the "false" allegations made against high-profile trans women on this site have never harmed them beyond their blog getting deleted for de facto violations of the site's terms of service (IE death threats), which is inevitably followed by them returning within a week as banned-account-2 and subsequently being left alone. That's what the racist queer people on this site call "lynching." For all they insist, MRA-style, that a false accusation will LITERALLY RUIN LIVES, it has never happened within the Tumblr queer community. In fact, most of the ones who have "had their lives ruined" have gained more support, more followers, and more influence in the community after...... kinda like in real life.

On the other hand, I've seen victims of their behavior harassed into attempting and possibly committing suicide, including MINORS. I've seen victims doxxed, threatened with rape, stalked, isolated from their own communities while their abuser is welcomed with open arms... you name it.

Once again: it's victims of sexual violence who are at risk of having their lives ruined, not "victims of false accusations," and yet everyone acts as though the latter are the ones in need of protection. Because vengeful, lying little shrews are everywhere, just waiting to ruin lives with malicious false accusations. And if you happen to get wrongly lumped in as a false accuser, oh well, suck it up buttercup, no one cares about something so insignificant as sexual harassment. You should be lucky you were only sexually harassed instead of being falsely accused of sexual harassment. Imagine how much worse it would have been for you!

It's parasitizing your empathy, that's what it is. It's taking your natural desire to good and help marginalized people, and shifting it from the people who do deserve it (people who have been harmed by bad actors in the community [and note that by far, most victims of bad actors in the queer community are themselves queer, so this behavior of denying victims recourse is queerphobic and dangerous to the queer community!]) towards predators who can speak well, have large followings, and convinced people that accusing any trans woman of sexual misconduct in any circumstances makes you a JK Rowling-level TERF.

And again, the race issue here, the inherent antiblackness of framing this as something that constantly happens to black people as a way of shielding themselves- that's another form of parasitizing. It's not "black people are disproportionately accused and convicted of crimes, and most wrongfully convicted death row convicts are black too- we need to help those folks," it's "black people and trans people are constantly falsely accused of rape, just, all the time, we need to help trans people, and a few of the black trans people who happen to agree with us on all these issues." It's basic feminism that false accusations are an anti-feminist, anti-victim dogwhistle; by trying to associate black folks with it, on a site where A HUGE NUMBER of black people have already been run off due to antiblackness... it muddies the waters ON PURPOSE. It makes it seem like to be a proper ally to the trans community and the black community, you HAVE to buy into the misogynistic canard that false accusations happen OFTEN. It repackages misogyny in a Woke, rainbow-colored box. The fucking nerve to use black folks that way!!

If the Anonsee debacle had happened today, her victims would absolutely have been labeled transmisogynists and run off the site. Her victims would have been labeled dangerous, lying, transmisogynistic predatorjacketers not to be trusted in the community.

It's becoming increasingly clear that too much of the queer community on this site learned NOTHING from the MeToo movement. Actually, worse than learning nothing at all, what they "learned" is that "believe victims" is some kind of dangerous sentiment made solely to oppress queer people. They view sexual harassment or assault as a minor inconvenience that pales in comparison to the trauma of being accused of sexual harassment or assault.

That's really, really sad. Basic feminist principles, like "false accusations are not nearly as big a problem as rape culture itself" have been entirely discarded.

False accusations are not a real issue. Never have been and never will be. But silencing victims under the guise of preventing false accusations is VERY real.

Ending by echoing the OP, here: How many people do you guys know who have been wrongfully accused of rape, DV, sexual harassment, or other sexual violence? And how many people do you guys know who have been victims of rape, DV, sexual harassment, or other sexual violence, but were dismissed as "wrongful accusers?"

My tally: 0 falsely accused, dozens of victims not believed or written off as liars.

[paradoxkin]

this post treats "false rape accusations" as either a widespread misogynistic myth or something that doesn't meaningfully exist, but that flattens real distinctions between false reports, unproven allegations, and informal accusation narratives that circulate socially, but those aren't all the same thing.

It briefly acknowledges racialized accusations historically, but the way they're framed places them as distant, when the mechanism (accusation functioning as permission for exclusion, violence, or credibility denial) isn't confined to history. It still appears in modern transphobic discourse, where trans women are routinely framed as predators.

the claim that false rape accusations are "not a real issue" completely erases how accusations have functioned differently across contexts. in Jim Crow America, which ended only about 60 years ago, accusation alone (whether it was true, false, or unprovable) was repeatedly enough to trigger lethal racial violence. 14-year-old Emmett Till is part of a documented pattern where sexual threat narratives were used as permission structures for terror. That pattern is not abstract; it shows how accusation can become a weapon inside unequal systems.

Look at The Scottsboro Boys. Or the Groveland Four. Or this report from 2017 titled Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States, which found that a Black person incarcerated for sexual assault is three-and-a-half times more likely to be innocent than a white person convicted of the same crime.

And in the present, you can search the phrase "trans rapist" on almost any platform and you will find the same mechanism operating again: accusation as identity-level framing rather than case-specific act.

"I've never met anyone falsely accused" doesn't prove much about whether it happens. they don't have to be common to be real.

There's also a tendency in this discourse to treat accusations as either fully credible or totally made up, when in practice they can be used strategically in interpersonal conflict. DARVO is a well-documented pattern for a reason: denial and reversal of victim/offender can include fabricated or exaggerated counter-claims. People are absolutely capable of making things up in order to punish, isolate, or escalate harm.

I have personally been falsely accused of predation by my rapist. My rapist went on to participate in an online harassment campaign targeting me, and continued to stalk me for years. Later it was admitted the accusations were fabricated as a direct attempt to harm and invalidate me. That doesn't make me treat all allegations as false, it just makes it impossible for me to accept the idea that this category of harm "doesn't exist."

the real issue isn't choosing between believing survivors or believing in an epidemic of false accusations, but recognizing that accusation itself is a tool that can be used honestly, mistakenly, or strategically, and that different systems of power determine who is believed, who is punished, and how quickly things escalate.

[noblackwomannocry]

please note the context in which I am discussing this. the idea that false rape accusations are ubiquitous and constantly weaponised against an entire demographic by another is in fact an incredibly misogynistic myth. if white people claim that this ubiquity also applies to And Black People then it also becomes racist. nowhere have I said these accusations do not exist, or that they have not been weaponised in this way. what I am abjectly refusing to acknowledge is attempts to compare racist accusations that have resulted in the deaths of real black people with the "every single one of us has been accused we all have a story we all have some angry bitch accusing us. And black people btw" nonsense.

if you are comparing the mechanism where racists used allegations of assault to have black people lynched to a vague "but trans women are being framed as predators!" you are proving my point for me. comparing violent white mobs using any accusation of wrongdoing to justify their physical violence against black people to, like you said, "false reports, unproven allegations, and informal accusation narratives" that are framed as a near-universal part of the transfem experience, the thing I am complaining about, reeks of white people once again trying to use examples of violence against black people as proof they are In Danger Guys It's Really Serious They'll Kill Me Any Minute (just like Black People).

even the examples you yourself have brought up here from Jim Crow era America are specifically notable for being cases where these false accusations ended in lives tragically taken by those who hated them. and yet even in a society framed to allow these accusations the greatest amount of power, these accusations were still not treated as ubiquitous nor discussed as such. even with those statistics you have shared about modern false accusation rates for black men we still do not treat these accusations as ubiquitous and affecting swathes of black people. it is especially interesting to bring up said divide when we know most rapes and sexual assaults are intraracial, i.e. said men are likely jailed due to false accusations from a woman of the same race as them.

if you thought that "I have never met anyone falsely accused" was a note on the existence of these accusations and not a comment on the supposed ubiquity of them (see the "Do you not know how many black people this happens to!!!") then sorry, but that is what this post was about from the start. it is statistically false to pretend that any demographic is being constantly falsely accused of rape by any vague group of nebulous bad faith actors. it is especially pertinent given that as I said above most rapes and sexual assaults are intraracial. the victims of most rapes and sexual assaults by black men are black women. I know many black men and women. I know many black women who have been victims of rape and/or sexual assault. most women know other women who have been victims of rape or sexual assault. I do not know any black people falsely accused of sexual assault. if I am to believe in the ubiquity of these accusations, which is discussed in terms that suggest a frequency of false accusations against trans women and transfems And Black People on par with that of the likelihood of any given woman being victim of assault, my own personal anecdote should be considered hard to believe. those of other black women on here who have said the same thing should also be hard to believe.

even what you've written here about your own experience is about being falsely accuses by your own rapist. DARVO as a tactic abusive people use against their victims is well known. those who have harmed others tend to lie about the victim for personal gain. it's my familiarity with this that contributed to this post. for years the man that groomed me when I was a child had a dedicated section in his page on his group's fandom wiki talking about how my accusations were a lie to entrap him and that I, a third world child, was the real predator harming a white adult American man. I'm very well aware that these accusations can be used in the ways you've described.

I just don't think that any of what you have said 1. serves to convince anyone of a supposed truth of their commonness that fllies in the face of what we know about rape and false accusations, or 2. justifies the sheer racism involved in comparing the institutional violence that black people have faced which has seen groups of black man falsely accused of rape, convicted of rape in unfair trials, and murdered for rape by vigilantes and the state to the supposedly common "false accusations" being discussed by trans women on this website. it is shamefully tone deaf, it is racist, it is being brought up by racist white users who mention black people solely as comparison points for their own benefit. they are not the same thing!

"different systems of power determine who is believed, who is punished, and how quickly things escalate." I know you came into this well-intentioned, and I'm thankful for your contribution. but when these people who keep calling getting their blogs deleted getting lynched & killed and talk about those who have accused them of anything from social faux pas to rape with the elegance and grace of a rapist man calling his victim a hysterical bitch out to get him, it's not a system of power at work that's making women like me read that and think there is more behind it. especially when the "punishment" being described is lack of access to person or friend group or hobby, and the escalation is the speed at which a non-black person will bring up Emmett Till to convince you that you are missing some amount of Nuance that you have already factored in.

[bdbdbdbdmn]

tfw someone can't read and they confuse "trans people telling their trans friends on tumblr that their other trans friend did something bad to them, and then said wrongdoer finds out and sends death threats racistly until an eventual account ban" with "the transphobic narrative that transness is inherently sexual and deviant" 😂😂☹️.

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[disco-pony]

1) Love that final screencap's admission that "TME" really just means "foid", because of the assertion of "Tme people have a vagina"

2) Realising that the actual false accusations I have known of were one deliberate harassment campaign by a former-friend who was throwing anything that might stick, and one case of mistaken identity which was also frankly racist (ie "The doorman at the Dun Horse" and everyone assuming that meant Ahmed rather than James).

3) Again, as soon as you openly have a policy of "I need a higher standard of proof to believe accusations against this particular minority" you will quickly end up with a situation where rapists who are in that minority are your entire friend group, as every time their victims come to you with an accusation, you shun the victim, and as you get a reputation for being friendly with rapists, non-rapists won't want to touch you with a bargepole.

[disco-pony]

Saw this being shared with a load of "So true" sentiments by other trans people and... Either AI is a beautiful tool of social justice that is deeply in-tune with trans culture and humour, or it's just reproducing the cheapest and most statistically common kinds of misogyny.

[iamthelowercase]

Hello, tumblr! I saw something on here the other day that worried me, so I decided to Do Science about it. But I can't do it alone: I need your help to build the dataset!

Here's what I need you to do:

If you see a post with a "mature content" label, and it's 2026, DM me a link to the post.

Yes, that's really it.

I am hoping to collect several thousand such posts, so that I have a decent sized dataset. I do not care what the post is about; if it's labeled as "mature content", I want to add it to my dataset.

If I get 10,000 posts in my dataset before August 31st 2026, I will post my preliminary findings then. I won't feel comfortable calling my findings "settled" before 2027, unless I get over 50,000 posts.

[iamthelowercase]

Tumblr Science FAQ, round 1

What's your hypothesis, OP?

I am not talking about that unless I have results to share. That would bias the results.

I did write them down and I did share them with a trusted contact who can prove that I wrote them down the same day I made this post. (While I did so before I made this post, I am not sure they will be able to provide proof of that, because I did so on the same day.)

OP are you interested in...?

Do you have to click through to see the post? Does the clickthrough contain the words "mature content"? Then yes.

OP are you interested if the post is about...?

I am interested in the mature content labels, not the content of the post. Is there a clickthrough that contains the words "mature content"? Then yes.

[iamthelowercase]

Tumblr Science FAQ, round 2

Should I reblog this for reach?

Yes, please. I felt really silly when I noticed I forgot to include that in the original post.

Is it okay if I send you my own posts?

Yes, those are perfect for what I'm looking for. I actually need to do some processing on a post to make it useful for testing my hypothesis, and this makes it easy.

Are you looking for "potentially mature content" also, or just "mature content"?

I want both, please. Anything that throws up a blocking screen that you have to click through. The distinctions between them are one of the things I am hoping to study.

Does it matter when the post was made originally?

Technically no. There's no way to respond to this without introducing some bias in the results, and I don't want that. However, I do collect some data on a post as part of making it useful to me, and that data is easier to collect if the post is recent.

What if I request content label review on a post after I send it to you?

I need to see the mature content label to be able to use the post. Because the mature content label hides the content of the post, it is very hard to use a post that no longer has a mature content label. You could send me a screenshot, but people could use that to lie to me.

Basically, it's more work for you to make it usable to me.

OP are you a transphobe? It would ruin the experiment for me if you're a transphobe.

I promise I'm not a transphobe and not doing this for transphobic reasons. You should still double-check that I'm not a transphobe for yourself, though. I am not sure that this study will have the useful effects you're hoping for; I am studying something specific, and it may not be what you hope.

[fursonas]

an erotic poem:

leg so hot

hot hot leg

leg so hot u fry an eg

[mothgirlballs]

A relic…

*touches ground*

I haven’t seen you in years,,,

[theygender]

[fox-faggot]

Apparently, predator-jacketing is fine now when done to trans men. Sorry, "trans boys". Straight up writing fanfic at this point.

Anyway I'm posting this to point out how fucking cult-like this behaviour is. The trans woman this was in response to committed the crime of speaking out against transandrophobia and for unity and mutual support within the community, and in return she's getting a full heaping of "the only safe people are us, these monsters will hurt you and everybody you love, but we told you so".

(The pronouns of the screenshotted person are she/it)

[disco-pony]

Just struck by the incredible reversal here, when I've seen so many people on here (and IRL) insist that you MUST NOT believe a trans man (or anyone "TME", or even any trans women who aren't sufficiently Educated) who says that they were assaulted by a trans woman, because they will have been primed to see normal behaviour as assaultative if it is done by a trans woman, and then will exaggerate it in their mind into an attack.

[han-the-human]

Me: oh no! I'm a trans man being sexually assaulted! Good thing I have my birth certificate on me (which is conveniently marked female of course) so that I can prove to my assaulter that I'm actually female!

Assaulter: *stops assaulting me to thoroughly read my birth certificate* oh my apologies! When I assaulted you for your gender nonconformity I believed you were a trans woman! I am very educated on trans identity and so I now know that is untrue. Now that I know that you have an f on your birth certificate I will no longer assault you now, because people viewed as cis women are never sexually assaulted for gender nonconformity.

Me: thank you for your understanding. Now that you have stopped this has completely undone all the previous emotional trauma of your assault. Have a nice day!

[thepinkpestilence]

uhm hello? i think i forgot to ABSORB my MALE aesthetic properties as well as MALE sociopolitic the second i came out... can anyone help me with that? i think my magic doesnt work right now sigh:(

[unimpressiveboyfriend]

what trfs refuse to understand is that:

trans men who don’t pass and trans men who do pass are the same gender

trans ppl who completely perfectly pass as a binary gender still experience oppression otherwise there would be no need to “go stealth”

not everyone views passing as a goal

nonbinary and intersex people exist

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

5. A patriarchal society defined by denying women the right to men's power and resources isn't going to just roll over and let "women" become men easy peasy no prablem.

6. Personally identifying as a man is what makes you a man, regardless of how other people treat you. Being a man is not defined by male privilege, nor does being a man necessarily grant you male privilege if other people don't see you as a man.

7. Identifying as a man doesnt make your womb fall out and flop away towards freedom like a bloody ravioli. Nor is your sex instantly changed to male on all government records. If you're legally a female then laws affecting women apply to you. If you have a uterus, ovaries, etc then you're affected by all the misogyny targeting people with that anatomy.

8. A person's gender identity, biological sex, assigned sex, hormones, legal sex, and the gender people treat them as can all be different. Trans people are complicated.

9. Acknowledging the transphobia and sexism trans men face in no way diminishes the transphobia and sexism trans women face. There is no trans identity the patriarchy accepts as valid.

9. Trans men are, and I cannot stress this enough, transgender.

[disco-pony]

Also just what are the "aesthetic properties of men" and can anyone define it in a way that doesn't also encompass a lot of Butch women, intersex women, trans women and gender-non-conforming women of various kinds?

[transandrophobia-is]

Y'know what just occurred to me that I should've realized sooner.

"wow that t is making you really aggressive" is just "wow it must be that time of the month for you" repackaged. I'm starting to get why the rumor of it making you aggressive is just so popular.

right. we have cis men privilege and definitely don't experience misogyny or transandrophobia. /Sar.

[disco-pony]

Complete with the unsaid coda of "Since this is Just Your Hormones it can't be a Real Feeling so we should ignore it and belittle you for reacting to it!!" (Ignoring that literally every human feeling is mediated by different cascades of hormones, everything that you experience is brought to you by hormone levels rising and falling to cause different physical effects in your body, to make you "feel" something...)

[longsightmyth]

I bring a real 'actually people who are pregnant do deserve some special consideration because they are effectively at least temporarily disabled if not permanently after some complications' vibe to the party that a lot of people don't seem to like

[elementop123]

This is real. Also, I had periods for about a decade pre-transition, and those can be debilitating, too, and should be given special consideration if the person having them experiences things like severe pain, heavy bleeding, issues with things like cysts, extreme nausea or fatigue, etc.

[disco-pony]

I maintain that if having periods was something that only happened to (eg) 1:100 people instead of a rounding error off 1:2, it would be considered to be a disability or a chronic illness.

"People with this condition bleed out of an orifice for about one day in four. It usually onsets around puberty, and can be predictes because often right before the commonly-understood symptoms start, the patient's overall growth will slow, and they'll likely start reporting lethargy and emotional friability. Although these bleeding attacks themselves usually follow a predictable cycle (one episode typically lasts 2-8 days, and will occur every 3-6 weeks) they are often unpredictable for the first few years, making them even harder to manage. They are associated with moderate to severe abdominal pain, muscle aches in the back and legs, diarrhoea and nausea and often loss of appetite, migraine, light sensitivity, and in rare cases with severe psychiatric symptoms- depression, suicidal ideation, confusion, and in the most serious cases mania and psychosis. The bleeding itself can be serious enough to cause anaemia, and the effects on the skin of prolonged contact with blood and moisture can itself cause irritation and allow opportunistic infections."

[directactionforhope]

If being trans masc was actually some brilliant hack to gain access to all the privileges and violence of patriarchy, there would actually be trans mascs in positions of power and celebrity

Which, as you may fucking notice, there are fucking not

[directactionforhope]

New rule before you can comment on the privilege trans mascs have, you have to name three famous trans mascs who aren't Elliot Page

(Who, by the way, has been in drastically fewer things since he came out as trans while filming The Umbrella Academy in 2020, only one of which is live action/actually has him appearing on screen. He literally went from averaging 3-4 roles each year to 1.5 (x). Just look at allllllll that privilege)

I'll wait.

If trans men are wielding soooooo much power and privilege - if trans men are more or less positionally equivalent to cis men - why has only a single trans man ever openly held elected office in the US at the state level or higher??? vs. over a dozen trans women and three or four nonbinary people, for that matter! (x, x)

Where is the systemic privilege we're accused of holding? Where are we rewarded for becoming men? Where is our masculinity rewarded? When are we enacting all this societal and legislative power over women, whether cis or trans?

It's not there because we don't fucking have it, and I genuinely do not know how so many people seem to have become convinced that we do, in contrast to literally every piece of evidence and common sense in actual reality

[disco-pony]

If there was a real privilege that trans men experienced, they'd be visible in data pre-transition as (effectively) a mysterious cohort of cis women who just somehow had better statistical outcomes than otherwise-identical cis women. And nobody has found that, yet.

[bdbdbdbdmn]

they feel like a family together

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“Transfeminist pregnancy: reproductive speculation, genre, and desire,” yeah the desire to be denied an abortion due to a psychologically horrific concoction of dysphoria and survivors guilt. if i'm gonna be nice about it.

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[yaoigaysexaura]

there's something so fucking sinister about a post comparing trans men to predators alike transphobic people as if we're not being trafficked and murdered and raped everyday while having those experiences erased getting a whole 3.5k notes. and this was written by a trans guy too! how can you be so unkind?

[disco-pony]

It sometimes feels like there is a kind of trans man (and, I do usually mean trans man in this case, not transmasculine people as a whole etc) who is really affirmed by the idea of being dangerous or frightening.

They'll say things like "Obviously, I shouldn't go to a women's health clinic! I've got a beard you could hide a goat in, and a big baritone voice, I would make the little ladies scared and uncomfortable! It's far too easy for me to accidentally terrify a woman with my tough masculine demeanour!" Or "Of course it's different for women- Nobody is going to pick a fight with me, I walk with an attitude, the LOVE and HATE tattooed on my knuckles have almost been obliterated by scar tissue," and yeah, comparing themselves to dangerous animals or predators.

And I get it! Masculinity in many places is constructed as "dangerous", so there is so much more cachet in saying something to the effect of "I could be a dangerous, violent, bad man, I've got the devil in me... But I choose to be kind and gentle and never to use it unless my loved ones are in danger." Than to say "I am fundamentally not a threat, my anger is funny at best, I have the ability to be spiteful but really the worst I can do is to shout and puff my cheeks up." But... Eh. Maybe it works as a way of making yourself feel better about your own self-image, but it isn't real and you can't base your assessment of reality on it.

[transmasc-theory]

Why are so many of you on this site more willing to align yourselves with cis male MRAs than with transmasc feminists, while calling yourselves "transfeminists"?

You eat up all their talking points. You say that pedophiles aren't real and age of consent laws are wrong. You fearmonger about babytrapping in response to people with uteruses who are afraid of dying due to abortion bans, and then call those things equivalent. You equate circumcision with FGM. (I am against both, but the former is NOT equivalent to the latter). You insult trans men with slurs referring to their genitals and call them bitches and cunts. You fearmonger about "men" who are "invading women's spaces," except instead of trans women, you mean trans men.

You aren't acting like trans feminists, or any kind of feminists at all. You're acting like MRAs. Why are you doing this? You aren't transfeminists. You aren't pro-anything, even pro-trans woman. You're solely anti-trans man.

[disco-pony]

They're both sets of people where the core tenet of their philosophy is "Being born with a vadge protects you from the worst kind of discrimination and suffering, it's life on easy mode. They are so cosseted and coddled they can't even accurately imagine how hard life is for AMAB people who don't live up to patriarchal ideas of the ideal man, which is the aforementioned worst kind of suffering. Facing even a minute of that kind of treatment would destroy anyone AFAB."

[oceanamethyst]

i saw the most stupid take ever

someone was talking about how it's weird that their tmasc friend is uncomfortable using the men's restroom when they pass and this is an example of "afab privilege"

like gee i wonder why he would feel uncomfortable

it's almost like transmascs have the highest assault rates

it's almost like the discrimination/misogyny one has faced from not being born a perisex man doesn't go away simply from being trans and transitioning into a man

it's almost like going into spaces that were technically built for cisgender perisex men is subjecting yourself to more situations where abuse can happen due to not being born a perisex man

it's almost like the very idea of "afab privilege" being a thing is misogynistic in itself

[cock-holliday]

This line of transradfem discourse truly truly lost the plot when it introduced "afab privilege" because I know their laser focus is on dunking on trans men (sometimes their fellow trans men), but if you pause for the slightest moment, we are hinging your theory on the idea that includes the notion that cis women have inherent privileges over cis men...like...do you wanna maybe revise something before we continue?

These statements are not even true of trans men, but if you can't be bothered to just say that you mean to target trans men and need to make up some essentialist reason why they are above other trans people in the hierarchy ladder, you instead settle on "being assigned female is a privilege in society"??? pals, be serious.

[disco-pony]

The toilet thing is especially grim because, at least in the UK (where our one single solitary andrology clinic that does meta and phallo has a backlog of cases stretching back ten years and sporadically closes for years at a time, meaning UL is incredibly rare) it's still common in rough areas to find men's toilets with no doors on the stalls or no stalls at all. So, statistically speaking you're unlikely to have had UL, meaning that if you're using the urinal you're either using an STP, or you have visibly had to pull your trousers right down in order to stand to piss manually (which, incidentally, gets harder as you get bigger bottom growth because the ligaments around the urethra thicken up, making it harder to pull it forward, even if there wasn't also the constant risk of pissing on your own dick!)

So you're generally at greater risk, because if you're using the urinal there is a high chance of someone noticing that you aren't using it "normally", if you're waiting for a cubicle you have to just stand there looking awkward and drawing attention to the fact that you're not using the urinal, if you're using a cubicle with no door, you need to make it look like you're antisocial enough to shit while maintaining eye contact with passers-by, etc. It's not an insurmountable risk - Most of us do it, I've done it for 20 years and have only got in a couple of physical fights in that time, it's mostly just been intimidation or groping otherwise - but it is a real one, and with the new guidance it's going to get worse.

"AFAB privilege" is the incel tenet of "Girls experience life on easy mode" wrapped in a trans flag.

[butch-bakugo]

The sickening thing about the fact that transfeminists keep claiming that any acknowledgement of transandrophobia or even just any acknowledgement that trans men are oppressed/not the same as cis men/do not have male privilege/etc makes someone a (T)MRA is that they don't believe that. They don't actually believe transmascs who talk about their own oppression or who want to protect trans men from discriminatory laws are actual men's rights activists. They know that trans men aren't following that belief system and they know trans men aren't welcome in MRA spaces and they know the argument transmascs are making has nothing to do with MRAs.

I'm not gonna give them the benefit of pretending to be stupid, they are fully aware transandrophobia, and the fight to destroy it, has nothing to do with MRAs or the incel movement. They know the goals are different, they know trans men face legitimate discrimination. They fucking know these things aren't the same, it's not a genuine belief they hold because they are stupid but they aren't THAT fucking stupid. They know.

They are comparing them maliciously and we need to, genuinely, stop entertaining this distraction. We need to stop writing up big posts pointing out the differences between these movements because they know they aren't the same. We need to stop clarifying the differences because they genuinely don't need to be taught, they know, they just want to catch you up in semantics instead of talking about the actual point. Same as the people who claim trans activism is the same as pedophilia defending or Mysogny.

Those groups don't genuinely believe that, they just like to stop you up and distract you so you don't call them out for whatever they are doing to hurt you with said accusation or stop you from talking about it because you're too busy proving trans rights activism that centers trans men, or trans men's issues in general, are not the same as men's rights activism. They know they aren't the same, they know they don't have the same views, they are just trying to make you stumble to make you look stupid or score some Internet points. It's catchy and easy to throw out a bullshit accusation but it's hard to disprove it without writing an essay about the differences. That's why they do it, it's how bigots attempt to debate or how conspiracy theorists make shit up, they expect you to take the burden of proving them wrong when they need to prove why they say that on sound reasoning. They don't have to prove their beliefs to other people who already hate the group, they aren't even putting in the effort to source their accusations, so don't put in the full effort to disprove them. Just look at them and say " I'm not going to entertain baseless accusations when we both know you don't genuinely believe that.".

It's one thing to inform a genuinely uninformed person but don't be naive, transfeminists know the people fighting against transandrophobia aren't the same nor even comparable to men's rights activists, they just compare them to hurt transmascs and to justify, to themselves, why they should ignore transmascs proving them wrong. You need to either start calling them out for being disingenuous when they say it or ignore them. Stop giving them attention on shit they know isn't true but hurts you anyway.

[disco-pony]

I watched the Louis Theroux documentary on The Manosphere a couple of weeks ago, since I'd been told so many times by such respected scholars that trans men would recognise ourselves in their talking points and share their values, and funny enough there didn't seem to be too many of them deeply concerned with improving access to gynaecological care or ending unnecessary gendering.

[tboy-cock]

one of my biggest gripes with the trans community and the discussion of transandrophobia is that its really fucking hard to explain to, without offending/triggering, someone who cant get pregnant, who has never had the ability to get pregnant, and would REALLY LIKE the ability to get pregnant, how pregnancy can be used as an act of violence, ESPECIALLY against trans men, and that its not the same as being forced to impregnate someone, both dysphoria wise or otherwise. like they have wildly different implications. a trans man who is forcibly impregnated is forced to stop testosterone for the duration of the pregnancy, and are often barred from legal abortion more frequently than cis women. his body is changed permanently from the pregnancy, the pregnancy can out him as trans if he is stealth, pregnant people are often times physically dependent on other people after a certain point of the pregnancy which leaves them vunerable to being trapped with an abuser, and a trans man who is dysphoric about pregnancy is going to have to live with that for the duration of the pregnancy, while watching the pregnancy that he did not want permanently change his body. on top of that, it is SO HARD to rebuild a life/career after pregnancy FOR ANYONE, AND ESPECIALLY trans men. theres a reason that forced marriage/pregnancy is such a common and effective detransition tactic against trans men, both in non-western countries but everywhere else too. theres a reason we worry about it so much. these implications simply do not exist for someone who is forced to impregnate someone. its obviously sexual assault and is horrible and it is permanently life ruining but not to the extent that actually being the pregnant party is, and pretending like theyre the same or even comparable is like. its not even transandrophobia its just ridiculous

[tboy-cock]

the fact that there are multiple other trans men in the reblogs of the post expressing that if they ever got pregnant they would kill themselves should be really telling to people (trfs) that the ability to get pregnant is not a privilege (ESPECIALLY for trans men) and is often times an oppressive tool to use against people who can get pregnant, unfortunately they say that trans men bringing up the fear of pregnancy and all the implications for trans men specifically that comes with it is them "bragging to trans women about being able to get pregnant" and "transmisogynistic"

[disco-pony]

I keep running up against the fact that this is a kind of severe and lasting bodily harm that is allowed to be enacted on anyone who can become pregnant, by any member of the population who can make someone pregnant, and that in many jurisdictions it's illegal or legally fraught to try to either prevent the harm in the first place, or to stop it from continuing once it's started.

It's a thing that one average citizen can do to another that immediately removes a load of their legal rights and subordinates even their right to medical treatment, work, and survival, to a very strict set of conditions which treats them as less-than-human.

It can permanently change all sorts of things about a person, physically and mentally, in ways that are not just painful they're also disabling and many of them are permanent - And there is no way of predicting which ones will be permanent and which won't. And setting it in motion requires very little physical effort and can even be done accidentally.