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i’m bout to say it: i hate the trope of bad fathers getting a redemption arc. we as a society never had a need for that and yet they shoved it down our throats and i’m sick of it.
I want more media where the Shitty father is explicitly denied a redemption arc. Like, he shows back up and tries to play the "I've changed" card and their kids just, flat out shut them down.
Isn't this what happens in In Treatment?
DID/OSDD Library
There was some interest in this earlier, so here’s a link to my google drive DID (and related trauma/disorders) library!
This library includes, but is not limited to:
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents (Lindsay Gibson)
CPTSD: From Surviving to Thriving (Pete Walker)
Coping with Trauma Related Dissociation (Kathy Steele)
The Body Keeps The Score (Bessel van der Kolk)
The Haunted Self (Onno van der Hart)
Treating Trauma Related Dissociation (Kathy Steele)
Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors (Janina Fisher)
I can not personally vouch for anything in this drive. I haven’t read the majority of it, it’s just the books / articles / PDFs I’ve happened to collect. Additionally, everything being shared here is being shared legally for educational purposes.
GOD I just want to be CREATIVE but all my energy is being used to survive
this is one of those "you put it into words" kind of posts. right on.
Unrecognized signs of abuse
This list includes signs I exhibited while being abused and afterwards, as well as signs I’ve seen other abused youth display, all of which are less commonly recognized for what they are: red flags in disguise.
Being described as a “perfectionist” or having an extremely competitive attitude to the point of experiencing breakdowns if you are not “the best”
Developing a habit of locking the door to every room you enter, especially when at friends’ houses or your own home, or other places you would be expected to feel safe and welcome at
Excessive daydreaming or fantasizing which may be accompanied by restlessness, pacing, or listening to music, and will often last for hours at a time, and may interfere with daily functioning
Experiencing an inability to relate to your peers which may lead to you creating pseudo relationships or obsessions with fictional characters to replace your lack of social interaction
Refusing to look at yourself in mirrors in public, especially when buying new clothes or going into fitting rooms
Showering in the dark because you are ashamed of your body
Experiencing intense feelings of guilt when someone does something nice for you
Hyperfixation on a hobby such as drawing or writing, which is often used as an outlet and a way to escape the abuse
Purposely making yourself appear unattractive
Being known as the shy or obedient child who never acts out
Possessing an unnatural amount of maturity for your age which many adults may have praised you for
Not knowing how to live, having an “I can survive with the bare minimums” mentality
Hoarding food or other objects in your room such as toiletries so you do not have to leave your room. This may be as severe as going to the bathroom in bottles or cans, or having months worth of dishes piled up around your room
Having an anxiety attack if you’re woken up abruptly or if you wake up to loud noises in your house
Never experiencing sexual interest in others, never going through a “boy phase” or a “girl phase”; alternatively, being hypersexual
Intrusive violent thoughts about small animals or children
Having no sense of belonging since you were a toddler, never feeling connected to your childhood town or house, and feeling alienated among your family members
Feel free to add more to this list. If you or someone else has experienced at least half of these signs, it’s very likely you or them has been through some form of abuse.
having to be “mature” at a young age sucks bc you aren’t really “mature-mature” you’re a child playing at a maturity bc you don’t have the foundation to be the bigger person when conflict arrives so what you do is ignore it bc ignoring a problem and being happy about a resolution look the same to your inexperienced eyes. Then you get adults praising you for a development above your peers but you aren’t really developing. You’re stagnant. Your peers will grow up and experience things and make mistakes and grow from them but you will keep yourself in this box, ignoring things ignoring ignoring ignoring until one day you have to face the fact… it wasn’t maturity you had. It was fear. And now you’re an adult too and you make all of your choices based on an emotional risk/costs analysis bc you don’t know any emotion other than fear & you have to start healing from your own childhood by making peace that you weren’t really a mature child. You were just a child who was given too much to carry & didn’t know how to say “no”.
fun fact. it literally doesn’t matter if your trauma “wasn’t THAT bad” compared to other peoples. its still trauma and it will affect you the same way. it doesn’t matter how “bad” it was, its something you went through and are continuing to live with the aftermath of, and, no matter what, everything you feel is completely justified.
Disorganized Attachment and Dissociation
As promised, Anon, here’s a VERY quick and dirty rundown of disorganized attachment and the role it plays in the development of dissociation. Sorry it took so long ;–; This doesn’t even begin to cover it, but I hope it at least gives people a basic understanding.
Please remember, this is so incredibly brief and barely scratches the surface. It’s a really interesting field of research, and it has a lot of important (and good!) implications to therapy techniques and models. I highly encourage people that are interested to look through some of the below resources, or make a request for any specific aspects you want discussed further. Apparently, left to my own devices with a broad topic, I fail to be coherent.
What is disorganized attachment (DA)?
There are technically 4 types of attachment between a child and caregiver, differentiated by response patterns. The first 3 types (secure, insecure-avoidant, and insecure-ambivalent) are considered forms of “organized attachment”, despite the negative behaviours associated with it, because even if they’re not “secure”, the behaviour patterns are still organized and, more importantly, consistent. In other words, in all 3 types of organized attachment, the child knows exactly what they need to do to meet their emotional needs, and the patterns in their behaviour are considered organized.
In DA, though, the child is confused, and there’s no pattern to their behaviour. They’re torn between wanting to flee to, and flee from the caregiver. When a caregiver is unpredictable and traumatizing, the child has a difficult time establishing a consistent view of the caregiver, and of themselves. In other words, the caregiver is both needed, and someone to be avoided, and the child may not understand what makes them a “good” or “bad” child, as the caregiver’s behavior is often confusing and unpredictable.
It’s summed up quite well in this image:
What causes disorganized attachment?
All the same standard things you would already know about. Abuse, neglect, behaviour that’s frightening, intrusive or insensitive, and disrupted affective communication, but it really boils down to, “A parent’s consistent failure to respond appropriately to their child’s distress, or by a parent’s inconsistent response to their child’s feelings of fear or distress.” And this happens in childhood. The way a baby or very young child form attachments are the base building blocks that a child will use to build their relationships with people in the future.
It’s important to note that it’s not just abuse that can cause a child to form DA. Sometimes loving caregivers who have experienced trauma themselves can behave in confusing ways toward the child, especially if they are suffering untreated PTSD or DID themselves. This happens because of the caregiver’s own inability to control their emotions. Traumatized parents can have a difficult time managing their emotions and providing a sense of security for the child even though they are not abusive or neglectful. Anger or fear can erupt unexpectedly and traumatize the child.
As well, “Disorganized attachment is often the result of intergenerational parenting patterns. This means parents are responding to their children in the same unhealthy ways their own parents responded to them when they were children.”
What role does disorganized attachment play in dissociation?
This one is… A bit tough. There’s a lot of factors in play and so much ground to cover.
First, when discussing dissociation, it’s talking about it in a general sense. Everyone is capable of dissociating, and it’s simply when you become detached from reality in response to trauma– at any age, for any kind of traumatic event. It’s also important to note that without a secure attachment style, an overwhelming event is more likely to be perceived as trauma. Basically, though, dissociation is a general symptom in this regard, not specific to any single disorder. DA is linked to dissociation, and from there, combined with other symptoms someone may be experiencing, it can become problematic and be assigned to specific mental disorders.
So, the child needs to maintain a relationship with the caregiver– they have no one else to turn to, so the child can develop dissociation as a way to make sense of themselves, and to maintain a child-caregiver relationship. They may “forget” the abuse, or deny it. “It is an adaptive and defensive strategy that enables the child to function within the relationship, but it often leads to the development of a fragmented sense of self.” This fragmented sense of self may or may not develop into something worse– namely, BPD and DID based on severity, frequency, and whether there was any sense of reprieve (i.e. a child can avoid the worst of dissociative symptoms if one of their parents was more supportive, because it helps them build some positive attachments).
Children with DA and suffering from abuse “are likely to generate two or more dissociated self states, with contradictory working models of attachment,” in order to handle their confusing relationship with the caregiver. From there, “It is proposed that the propensity to react to traumatic events with dissociation is related to disorganization of early attachment and its developmental sequelae.” This is fundamentally the basis of why DID can’t form once the child creates an integrated sense of self. It is theorized that DA and dissociative disorders are inexplicably linked together. You can have DA and not develop DID/OSDD, but you can’t have DID/OSDD without DA.
A lot of new research is suggesting that it’s not so much trauma as we know it (physical and sexual abuse) that is linked to dissociation, but that trauma is something that is far more discrete and insidious (longterm inconsistent and confusing parenting styles linked to DA) and that it’s only part of “a complex web of environmental, societal, familial, and genetic factors that are all likely to interact in ways that we have only begun to understand.” This is something I firmly believe in and attribute to a lot of the endogenic claims of having no trauma (and under this theory, “overwhelming events” also constitute trauma).
Interestingly, it’s theorized that different types of attachment are linked to different mental disorders. “Attachment insecurity can therefore be viewed as a general vulnerability to mental disorders, with the particular symptomatology depending on genetic, developmental, and environmental factors.” Going back to the 4 types of attachment, the 3 insecure types can be linked to basically all types of disorders. They are all linked to depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, eating disorders and suicidal tendencies, but those with anxious attachment are more likely to develop things like DPD, HPD and BPD and are drawn to co-dependent relationships. Those with avoidant attachment are more likely to develop things like SPD and APD and form addictive habits, and those with disorganized attachment are more likely to develop DID/OSDD.
Sources:
Identifying Attachment Problems
How Disorganized Attachment Can Lead to Dissociation
Disorganized Attachment
Disorganized Attachment, Development of Dissociated Self States, and a Relational Approach to Treatment
Trauma, Dissociation, and Disorganized Attachment: Three Strands of a Single Braid
From Infant Attachment Disorganization to Adult Dissociation: Relational Adaptations or Traumatic Experiences?
An attachment perspective on psychopathology
Fragmented Child: Disorganized Attachment and Dissociation
Ok so this might not make sense bc I did just wake up, but like. No you can't "just choose to get better" and be better, that's 100% true, but somewhere along the line you will have to make a decision to commit to recovery.
That DOESN'T mean acting 100% fine all the time and never doing another bad/harmful behavior. Most of the time, that just means trying to do/not do one thing. Maybe trying to hang out with a friend, or trying to notice when you're being self deprecating.
Not every single therapy/treatment/etc has to dig at core traumas. You probably won't be ready to do that until you've proven to yourself you can handle little things.
Say, for example, I have a VERY messy room. It would be awful hard to steam the carpet stains out when I haven't picked my clothes up off the floor.
Just because a treatment isn't helping you process your trauma directly, doesn't mean that it's a useless treatment or that it isn't helping you. A lot of the time our trauma radiates outwards, making ripple effects and causing behaviors that don't seem related, like sleeping a lot, being messy, or not getting work done.
It's okay if you can only handle surface-level behaviors right now. You're still on the way to recovery, and that's what's important.
You are not what happened to you.
I know that it hurt, deeply, unforgivably. I know it can be hard, it can even feel impossible to move on, but it does not become you. You are not your trauma. You are the person who survived it, who lived through it, the aftermath of the hurt you endured.
But you are not your trauma, your trauma does not have to define you if you don't want it to. Your entire life isn't easily explained by your trauma because you are more complex than that. You are human, not a single memory or experience or journey.
You are not the trauma you endured, you are the person who endured the trauma and made it out alive.
I cried at my dentist appointment and it was kind of funny because the dentist seemed surprised, "you're always very calm and put together in the chair" yes ma'am that's the dissociation
Anyway adults saying “I don’t know isn’t an answer” is part of the reason I learned to lie and bluff so well.
Really though, what was that about? I don’t know is a valid answer. It communicates very clearly that the child cannot answer your question, and therefore maybe needs more help understanding the question/situation. Why do you try and push them to give an answer they don’t have? That stresses them out and it makes them feel like they’re being punished for not knowing something.
i thought i was the only one with an “i don’t know” problem because my parents made it seem it was the strangest and also most horrible thing in the world. i genuinely didn’t know and they got angry and that only blocked my thoughts more which meant i didn’t know the answer to anything else.
THIS ^^^
Also “I don’t know” is a commonly used sentence for children with ADHD/Autism. We DON’T know why we can’t do our homework. We DON’T know why we can’t eat certain foods sometimes. We DON’T know why we forgot to do a chore. It’s really distressing when you genuinely don’t know and people think you’re just lying or indifferent
Stuff in your past is like a carving on the bark of a sapling: over time the scar, the carving, won't go away. Because of the way trees grow, it won't go up or down much either, it'll just stay right where it began, it might even get darker. But it won't get bigger. You however can. You can keep growing, doing more things, more branches, being more things. The wound won't get smaller but you can make it a smaller part of who you are.
-Michael Stevens
I'm starting to lose hope in recovery. I've just about lost all my trust in the healthcare system, and everything I know is telling me that I can't do anything on my own. Everything I've tried has failed. Everything the medical professionals have tried have failed. (Not that they tried much. Half of my years in the mental health system have been on waiting lists.)