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I beg you, Your Grace, do not destroy the city you came to save. Do not become what you’ve always struggled to defeat.
I really feel like… It’s a lost city. The inhabitants are all corrupted and broken. If they wont fight along Dany then they need to be burned in order for it all to be started over. Like a Phoenix from the ashes.
Burn women and children alive so that a gentler and kinder world can rise from the ashes …
Ok, then.
There…is nothing wrong in liking a character, especially when said character has been lauded in a canonical portrayal (well, the show is semi-canonical) as an inspiring lead female. However, I request you to kindly just…really consider what you just said. “If civilians won’t acquiesce to the whims of a foreign conqueror (“fight along” her, in your words…only, they aren’t fighters, they are civilians - do you comprehend that?), who only has good intentions (let’s consider for the sake of the “argument” that she does have good intentions, and can implement them as good), then the lot of them need to be burned down to a nice, crispy death.“ This is what you said. This is what white colonizers have said to us, the “savage, uncivilized, uncultured” people. If something is “broken”, as you put it, you heal it, you fix it. You do not destroy it. Certainly when it isn’t an “it” to begin with; they are living, breathing people, as full of dreams and heartaches and ambitions as your “savior” and you. I hope you’re very pleased with who you are, of your noble, poetic intentions. You’re as delusional as your idol, and you sound exactly like what you think the city is: lost, corrupted, broken. I hope life makes you into a better human being and I hope there are less of you out there.
I’m sorry if I said something exceptionally hurtful. I don’t usually get mad because of fandom opinions (not publicly, that is), but I can’t pretend this doesn’t have any bearing on my past as part of a colonised people.
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People love Targaryen women because they come packaged with everything that looks empowering on the surface: dragons, spectacle, dominance, that whole “exceptional bloodline” mythology. Visenya is the perfect example she rides a dragon, wields a sword, stands beside conquest and violence, and she’s called a “feminist icon.” But… feminist for what exactly? She’s not dismantling patriarchy and not challenging the system. She’s actively helping build and enforce a system that is just as hierarchical and violent as any other.
But because her power is visible and aggressive, people reads it as empowerment. It’s power that looks good on screen and feels satisfying to support.
Now compare that to Alicent. Her power is quieter, more grounded, and honestly more historically accurate she works through court politics / (not military), trying to protect her kids. And she’s called “misogynistic” or “anti-woman.” Why? Because it’s not flashy. It’s not dragon-backed. It doesn’t give that same illusion of being above the system it shows what it actually looks like to live inside it.
That’s where the “selective feminism” comes in. It’s not about supporting women as a class or understanding how women being victims of the system. It’s about supporting women who feel exceptional, who look powerful in a way that’s easy to romanticize and women who can be turned into icons.
And Targaryen women fit that perfectly! They’re written as exceptional visually, politically. So people gravitates toward them and builds this idea that they represent female empowerment, while other women like Alicent, Sansa, and Catelyn get dismissed or villainized for working differently.
There’s also a deeper layer where this intersects with Valyrian exceptionalism. The way Targaryens are writing (silver hair, dragons, “closer to gods than men”) feeds into this idea that they are inherently more worthy of admiration. So when people say they support “feminist characters,” but it’s almost always Targaryen women, it starts to look less like feminism and more like a preference for a specific type of woman: powerful, and aesthetically idealized.
Meanwhile, women who don’t fit that mold who are more historically accurate, political, maternal, restrained, or just not written as “mythic” don’t get the same support. Their actions are judged more harshly and they’re denied the same complexity.
So yeah, it ends up creating this weird fandom dynamic where: Visenya can enforce conquest and still be called feminist BUT Alicent demanding power for herself & her children is framed as internalized misogyny. It’s not about feminism anymore It’s about which version of female power people find more appealing to project onto.
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i feel like a lot of snowstorm fans would have been better off reading acotar instead of asoiaf. especially judging by the things they believe about jon
like wtf is this
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Want to know how credible and insightful this little sh*t Alex Graves is? I present to you:
"...the scene with Jaime and Brienne in the bathtub is like you’re shooting a film with a lesbian and a knight”
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As Turner explained in an interview with Entertainment Weekly a day after this wedding night scene aired: "Last season Alex Graves decided to give me hints (for her Ramsay storyline). He was saying, 'You get a love interest next season.' And I was all, 'I actually get a love interest!'
Now shall we really be surprised that this genius didn’t get the story?
i’m gonna hold your hand when i say this…… many many people did tune into the current goings on of house baratheon…. it’s in a series called “a song of ice and fire”
"𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳'𝘴 𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳, 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘵𝘩."
"𝘝𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘴?"
"𝘕𝘰. 𝘙𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘳."
the crash out targ stans are having on twitter overt the raymun fossoway rant is generational lmaooo. giving me amusement for days at this point. they are calling the targs oppressed minorities that face discrimination and are being prejudiced against, like, unironically lol
so at peace with neither being on twitter nor watching this show because i knew it would be exactly this. modern got-verse wants to be prestige so bad but its only viewers are blood supremacist marvel fans. meanwhile all my prestige-head mutuals are currently analyzing lesbianism on pluribus, the pitt, and industry while utterly ignorant of that show. akotsk can stay culturally irrelevant and intellectually inferior i love my beautiful life 🫶
Something that's a huge red flag to me is someone having a Targ name, or a derivation of it, in/as their username. I stop reading whatever they're saying the second I notice it. They don't even have to be talking about asoiaf, they might just be asserting their opinions on a completely different topic and it'll still be an immediate turn off. I'm not gonna listen to someone who likes or favors Targaryens enough to make their screenname, like, Jaeharry985 has to say about anything.
Daenerys Targaryen is the best representation of how the Patriarchy treats women I’ve ever seen:
- Being sidelined and having a man taking credit for her achievements | Mileva Marić (Albert Einstein’s first wife)
- Being seen as a harlot who uses her sexuality to control powerful men | Cleopatra
- Being gaslighted into “insanity” because of her anger and anguish of seeing her life work stolen by a man | Camille Claudel
- Being demonized so a man can look heroic killing her (or ordering her death) | Anne Boleyn
- Being portrayed as a evil tyrant while being equally violent to her male counterparts | Wu Zetian
- Being murdered by her male lover | Nancy Spungen
- Her good achievements being demonized and erased from History by her successors | Hatshepsut
If I may add:
-A woman scrutinized by the media and public for representing the engine of change and advocating for an extremelly opressed group | Diana, Princess of Wales
-A woman usurped from her throne which she fought so hard to keep by terrible male advisors and who was pitted against an other woman | Mary, Queen of Scots
She literally turned a city into an oven, straight up hitlering a city but okay.
Not to mention, nothing got stolen. Jon did not want the throne and made that clear multiple times. Also towards her. He couldn’t have given less of a shit if she hadn’t gone all Ghingis Khan on this bitch.
There is literally nothing shown about her achievements being erased. It wasn’t even remotely mentioned. There was nothing.
Literally. Nothing. Her advisors only got difficult when it looked like she would go insane, and they where COMPLETELY RIGHT as we could very obviously see. How is it bad to want to overthrow someone who gives a straight up Hitler Speech after going genocide?
She suddenly got mad over the natural sacrifices of war, which was bad writing I’ll give you that but that doesn’t matter shit and ain’t the discussion here either obviously, and committed a straight up war crime.
Are we defending war criminals now for their tiddies?
Gonna be honest, if Eva Braun here is the best example you have, then boy do you have some pisspoor examples.
Sometimes I remember there was a Targ fan who thought Dany was modelled after the missing Romanov daughters, which is why she is destined to win the Iron Throne back. (Being compared to a tsarist dynasty is apparently a good thing?) And for some reason they also said she is "Jewish queen" coded because she was exiled out of Westeros??? (Romanovs famously known for persecuting Jews??? Targs famously known for their blood purity obsession??)
They were so close to getting it.
Daenerys is a white saviour and i’m not going to pretend she’s not because that fact makes people uncomfortable. i’ll concede that Grrm an old white man might not have completely intended for it to come off that way but when you have a magical white girl liberating fantasy middle east and constantly complaining about how barbaric they are, when you don’t give any nuance to the dothraki a culture based on Mongolian and native American culture and just make them unrepentant misogynistic slavers, well impact>intent. it’s almost worse in the show considering that we see her surf on a sea of dirty brown people with her pristine outfit and hair and how she burns the dothraki alive and we get a scene of a bunch of cowed brown men bowing to the magical white girl who just burned a significant place in their culture, the home of multiple other former Kahleesi’s mind you.
i’m sick of people using the cop out that “Grrm stated that the people of Slavers Bay are of all colours including white” which is just that a cop out because Essos especially Slavers Bay id heavily inspired by the middle east and north africa. again impact>intent and Grrm has been criticized for his orientalist writing for a long time now.
kinslaying & war: the two heroes who are fated to be enemies.
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(inspired by these me/tas & meta)
Can't believe in 2025 there are still people who truly ship Daenerys and Jon Snow and think they will end up together in the books, as if Daenerys doesn't represent everything Jon despises: reckless authoritarian figure that abuses her power to achieve her own means.
I think media literacy has been a popular enough topic for people to realize that Daenerys was always a villain and the reason we didn't realize it was because we only have her delulu POV's as reference for her story. If GRRM is still a good writer he will make Jon Snow recoil instantly from the moment he sets eyes on Dany arriving to subjugate his people.
(audience cheers, applauds)
It's always "take vengeance on your slavers" but when I, MIRRI MAZ DUUR, do it with a fan favorite character---