Can someone please loop me in cuz apparently e/riels are criticizing Lucien for ātorturingā fish?!?
Does Azriel not torture people for his job like WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
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Can someone please loop me in cuz apparently e/riels are criticizing Lucien for ātorturingā fish?!?
Does Azriel not torture people for his job like WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
Me reading ACOTAR for the first time in 2023: the latest book came out two years ago. The next must be coming out soon!
Me in 2026:
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I think a lot of acotar discourse could be solved by collectively understanding that sjm is a terrible writer who cannot use storytelling tools successfully tbh. like the correct answer to "why did rhysand put feyre in skimpy dresses and make her dance while drugged under the mountain" isn't "because he's a sexual predator" (although that's a valid interpretation) but rather "because sjm thought it was hot and didnāt think through the implications". the same thing goes for a lot of discourse sticking points. the whole bizarre no c-sections allowed pregnancy subplot happened because sjm wanted pregnancy drama and didn't care enough to come up with something better. cassian took nesta on a miserable hike to punish her because sjm thinks keeping someone happy takes priority over telling them lifesaving medical information. and on and on. unfortunately being in this fandom is a deeply frustrating experience because the source material fucking sucks, and most of the good stuff in the fandom comes from people's reimaginings of canon, not because the books are good. personally I cope with this by making shit up in my head that I like better and I highly recommend doing that
I just finished Glorious Rivals and I come on here to find people hating on Jameson for the way he reacted at the end. Huh? Please google the word nuance, you guys are scaring me.
If the roles were reversed and Grayson and Avery were together and Jameson was the one to put her in danger, I could 100% see Grayson reacting in a similar way. Especially since Grayson is the one who āhandlesā all the messes made in the family and Jameson is reckless and sometimes careless. So he would totally tell him that he would be the one to find Avery and Jameson needs to stay out of the way.
The point is: what Jameson said was out of anger and fear of losing Avery. It was wrong but heās only human and he has a right to be angry.
Honestly I see Grayson and Jameson fighting as a good sign because it makes me think that JLB is setting them up for an arc in which their relationship ends up in a better place because of this. I hope that in the Gilded Blade they will end up actually working together despite Jamesonās anger and they will be able to forgive each other. And then finally they can heal from the wedge that Emily drove between them that they have yet to fully recover from and really act like brothers again. Like omg let them hug and say they love each other PLEASE
And if I see one more person on this app basically complain about how being mean to your brother is wrong Iām gonna scream. Like DUH?!? have you never said something you shouldnāt when youāre angry and stressed?!? My god this app makes me feel crazy
One of my closest friends @freyjas-musings surprised me with this GORGEOUS Elucien birthday gift today! Thank you so much @freyjas-musings for this beautiful gift. Iām so thankful that we met all those years ago and became friends. Youāve been one of the few people to help keep me sane in this crazy fandom! I love you bunches š©·š©· thank you for all your love and support š©·š©·
And thank you so much @brielyasmin for creating this beautiful artwork. Elain and Lucien look STUNNING š„¹š„¹ your artwork always blows me away with its beauty!!
Characters belong to Sarah J Maas
I say this as a Gale hater, but the Gale hate is so forced š
Like youāll see a hundred young Snow thirst edits and then one video with Gale on screen for a second and the comments are like āā ļø CONTENT WARNING: Galeā
Gale isnāt an evil character, he just has a different world view than Katniss. This series is full of characters with complex moral compasses yet only Gale seems to get hate. He may be problematic but none of the characters are saints like have a little nuance.
I would love to know how many of todayās Gale haters were one of the MANY people who said they were team Gale back when the first movie came out just cuz Liam Hemsworth was hot. Some people just canāt help but jump on the bandwagon ššš
āRediscover the Hunger Games as an adultā they said.
Yeah maybe don't do that.
The burden of fully understanding this series has emotionally wrecked me. I will never be normal again. I will never recover. And I will never stop reading them ššš
No but the Hunger Games really said "what do you hate more- the atrocities or the people who commit them against you? Because like it or not there IS a difference. If you hate the people who commit acts of pure evil more than you hate the acts themselves, what will stop you from becoming just like your enemies in your pursuit of justice? What will keep you from commiting those very same acts against THEM when the opportunity arises? And what then? The cycle of pain and suffering will never stop. Round and round it'll go. Nothing will ever change. But. BUT. If you hate the atrocities. If you hate the vile, senseless acts MORE than you hate the people who did them to you. If you are able to see that evil is evil regardless of who does it... The cycle ends with you. No, you may never get justice. But you will never be responsible for making others, even your enemies, suffer the same crimes you have. The atrocities will never be committed by you, never by your hand. And that's the way you change the world. It's the ONLY way" and that's why I am sure it will never stop being one of the most relevant works of fiction ever created
I appreciate that Suzzane Collins always humanizes the tributes in the arena, even the Careers that are often the āvillainsā.
That scene where Silka is all alone, finds the tree Haymitch and Wellie are in, and just sits there and cries. That moment of solidarity when Haymitch drops the chocolate down to her. That reminder that they are all just kids who are either brainwashed or forced to be violent.
The other tributes are never the real enemy.
The Careers are a metaphor for the Capitol and the Newcomers are a metaphor for the revolution
The Capitol scrubbed any mention or evidence of the Newcomer alliance because it would have sent the message to the districts that the weak are stronger together.
Wyatt says that the Careers always have good odds but these Games are different because of the alliances. Normally, the Careers have better odds not just because of their strength and training, but because of their alliance. The Careers are always outnumbered by the rest of the tributes but they stick together and they make plans. They are organized. The other tributes biggest weakness isnāt really that they are physically weaker or less trained, itās that they are often on their own and fighting each other as well as the Careers.
Throughout the book, the oppressed are mentioned to outnumber those in power multiple times: the Newcomers to the Careers, District 12 to the peacekeepers, the tributes in the the training compound to the peacekeepers, and (obviously) the districts to the Capitol.
The tributes from 6 say no to the alliance at first because they donāt want to be targeted by the Careers. This seems so irrational because of how the Games work. The Careers would still try to kill then eventually so why not join the Newcomers to have better odds? But this is exactly what keeps people in the districts from rebelling: fear of retaliation from the Captiol. People know how brutally rebels and their loved ones are punished. But is avoiding being targeted actually better in the end if the Capitol is still in power?
Plutarch asks Haymitch why they submit to the peacekeepers and the Capitol. And when Haymitch says they donāt want to end up dead he responds:
āAnd yet, I still donāt think the fear they inspire justifies this arrangement weāve all entered into. Do you?ā
The Newcomers are the districts after they unite during the revolution. They find their strength through binding together against a common enemy. The Capitol had purposefully pitted the districts against each other because they knew if they stop fighting each other, they might finally unite and overthrow them.
They edit the 50th Hunger Games to make it look like Haymitch was a selfish jerk who played the Games alone and drove his only ally away in the end. The Games with the biggest tribute alliance ever was completely erased and replaced with a story of a victor who only looked out for himself.
The Capitol wants to push the narrative that itās every man for themselves. Even the Careers will turn on each other eventually because there can only be one victor. They push individualism because it keeps people weak and under control. Unity will always be the most powerful advantage.
I LOVE it when artists depict a very clear dynamic between lovers, so much so that I could literally ship that couple without even knowing them. I hope Iāve managed to draw enough of the kind of dynamic I envision for Elucien. Itās not the full scope of what I imagine them to be like, but certainly a chunk of it!
And also⦠I heard that the people who voice Elain and Lucien both ship Elucien. If thatās true, Iām gonna scream. You know how the voice actor of Zuko made a fan audio in which Zuko confesses his love for Katara? I need something like this for Elucien š
Iāve seen so many people gather so much evidence and plead their case for why either elriel or elucien/gwynriel is endgame. And donāt get me wrong, I like reading them but thereās literally only one piece of evidence that is needed to convince me.
Elain and Azriel already like each other⦠and their stories havenāt started. I canāt see how they would be endgame. Whatās their story? Whatās their arch if they already want to be together?
If they were endgame, Elain would probably be with Lucien already and her book would be about her realizing that she wants Azriel instead. Deciding that she wants to choose for herself and not accept the bond would be her arch.
But thatās not the case so I feel like the only logical story going forward would Elain and Azriel ending up with other people they arenāt already half way through a love story with. The whole appeal of romance is watching two people develop feelings so I donāt really see much appeal in an elriel book.
Obviously thereās lots of other evidence that makes me believe in elucien and gwynriel but I feel like this is the one piece of logic that just canāt be disputed for me.
can I be so real with you. can I be honest. totally aside from the moral panic about women on booktok being """porn addicts""" because they're reading erotica, I think it's so fucking goofy when people act as if there needs to be some kind of societal reckoning with how tiktok books "aren't very good." like, okay? they're commercial products mass produced for entertainment. tiktok didn't invent that; you're going to have to take it up with pulp magazines and dime novels and comic books. you guys would throw up if you found out about Fanny Hill.
a year or so ago I was lucky enough to attend s talk by Dr. Emily Knox, a brilliant researcher and author with degree in both library science and religious studies, and she had this theory that both leftists and the right in America have this baked in reverence for books that's a holdover of ye olden days when very few Europeans could read and most people primarily interacted with the written word in a religious context, as a means of learning about the Christian God and means of salvation.
the subject of Knox's talk was mainly how, on the right, this deep belief in the innate power of the written word is a large part of what drives efforts to have books removed or banned from public libraries, as if good "normal" white children are going to instantly become polyamorous atheist antifa supersoldiers if they're exposed to degenerate filth like And Tango Makes Three.
meanwhile on the left we're broadly ideologically opposed to book banning but still have this weird reverence for something that is, ultimately, a mass produced consumer good. which is why you get people developing beef with books that don't pass the vibe check re: being intellectually and morally improving literature and acting like it's a societal ill that women on tiktok are ready dorky erotica. sure, you're not saying out loud that these books should be banned, because you know it sounds fashy, but if you're arguing that they'll have a deleterious effect on women too dumb to know better then the subtext is still pretty readily apparent.
I guess my point being if you've allowed yourself to develop a superiority complex because you think you're reading "better" books than Those Other People maybe uuuuh calm the fuck down and kill the book cop in your brain, it literally doesn't matter.
LINK TO THE TALK LINK RIGHT NOW
Iām fairly certain this is the talk, or at least a similar one:
Dr. Emily Knox discusses the foundations of intellectual freedom and the significant increase in book challenges and bans in the United Stat
As someone who also works on histories of literature deemed ābadā or ādangerousā that have been subjected to censorship and attempts at book banning, Iāve got a slightly different take on some of the politics and ideological drivers behind the movements (disciplinary differences! Gotta love them! I say in full earnestness!) than whatās outlined in the original post, but Iām excited to add what seems like a really interesting talk from a great scholar to my watch list :)
THESE BOOKS ARE NOT GOOD!!! Scream the men, as they wait in line at midnight for the 403rd instalment of a superhero franchise about the side character of a side characterās brother being hot and strong.
The Booktok Debate
This pro-booktok vs anti-booktok debate has been going on for a while now but Iāve definitely seen a spike lately probably because of the release of Onyx Storm and I kinda just wanted to rant about it and just shout to the void because it really pisses me off.
I swear if people had media literacy, this whole debate could finally cease to exist because we would actually be able to just think critically about the books in question and there would be no need to argue about them.
I feel like people have been throwing around the term āmedia literacyā a lot on TikTok but I genuinely agree that so many people either donāt have it or subconsciously donāt use it. Perhaps this is because people donāt want to analyze media they donāt like or admit it has value or meaning. Or on the other side, people donāt want to acknowledge criticism or accept flaws within a piece of media they love. Either way, our emotions cause us to avoid thinking critically about media or attempting to enter healthy discussions with people with opposing opinions.
How this pertains to the booktok debateā¦
People should be allowed to read books that are objectively not well written but are fun to read without being considered unintelligent. However, they should be able to analyze and recognize the quality of writing they are consuming and hopefully be aware of how their consumption affects them and things outside of them.
There is a lot of valid criticism about how Booktok has negatively impacted the publishing industry and book marketing and has caused a huge push for more smut. So many books seem like copycats of each other or a Frankenstein-esque amalgamation of popular tropes, plots, characters, etc. We should be able to acknowledge these problems, even if we love Booktok and read those books.
There are definitely a lot of people on Booktok who have a very āIām just a girlā mentality and just want to āturn off their brainā when reading. 90% of the reason I read is for escapism/entertainment, so I somewhat understand this, but I do fear that this can be a harmful approach to reading (and most things). We can both read just for fun and have a break from reality but also be able to understand what we are reading and form thoughts and opinions on it.
But on the other side of the debate, I think that labeling a book as ābadā is not very intellectual, and all media, no matter how ābadā, can and does have value and can be discussed or analyzed on a deeper level. While I do believe that certain books are objectively not as high quality as others, reading is still subjective, and therefore, saying that all the fans of Acotar or Fourth Wing are dumb for liking them is just condescending. And don't even get me started on that whole "literature vs. books" discourse that was happening earlier this month on TikTok because that was some elitist bullshit.
I love Acotar and Fourth Wing and many other ādumbā Booktok books. But I also know they arenāt the best books ever written, and I recognize their shortcomings. I am aware that they are nowhere near the level of writing as the classics, but I can still think they are good for what they are, and I shouldnāt have to justify liking them. I also agree with people claiming that a lot of the criticism seems pretty misogynistic because we do not scrutinize popular media that has male-dominated audiences nearly as much as these books. At least from my perspective.
Also side-note: there are so many aspects to writing a novel. Thereās the prose, writing style, dialogue, world-building, character arcs, pacing, etc. I hate when people criticizing Booktok forget about the aspect of crafting a compelling and interesting plot that keeps peopleās attention. There are so many incredible works of literature that are critically acclaimed but are so boring. There is value and skill in writing a book that people canāt put down and adore for having a fun plot. I hate that people try to discredit authors like SJM for being bad writers. She may not have the most beautiful prose and unique themes but she can write a fun book that keeps peopleās attention. That is talent and that is valuable.
If we could actually analyze literature like we are supposed to be able to, the anti-booktok people should be able to realize the value of Booktok books despite their opinions and the pro-booktok people would be able to see and acknowledge the issues with those books and the platform and then we could all stop bickering because thereās not much to actually fight about. Like can we just give it a rest already?
Thereās so much more to this that I could talk about but if you read all that, thanks for listening to my rant, Iām getting off my soapbox⦠for now :)
Why Iām excited for Elainās book:
Elain is still incredibly traumatized from the cauldron, sheās just better at hiding it from everyone which is why nobody has done an āinterventionā for her (I saw someone say Elain used gardening gloves before becoming fae and suggested her lack of using them now is a form of self-harm). I think her book is going to be a similar level of beautiful to Nestaās along the lines of healing from this trauma.
Elain genuinely HATES what she is still. I donāt think sheās accepted being fae yet. I think her book is going to be a journey of acceptance and learning to love yourself again in the wake of trauma. This has the potential to be one of the most relatable stories.
Iām so excited for her to leave the NC. In ACOSF Sarah mentioned Elain in NC black as being washed out which foreshadows her belonging elsewhere. I have seen so many ideas that she leaves and travels with Lucien on his emissary duties allowing her to see the world (let my girl see the tulips) and she heals on this journey away from the stifling NC and all the babying the IC does to her. On this journey she also finds where she truly belongs which ends up being a diff court from her sisters signifying her growth as a woman independent from her sisters.
Overall: I think Elainās book is going to be a beautiful story of healing, acceptance, finding where you belong, and remembering how to love yourself again. I think her book is going to be a tear-jerker and Iām so excited. I will be placing an order of tissues with my order of the book.
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