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problematic rage gap. one partner tries to bring nuance and understanding to a tough situation. the other wants to blow up the earth about it.
How bro sound:
they might claim this isn’t antisemitic, because they said “Zionists,” so to point out the much louder part of the post: “they have learned nothing from the Nazi concentration camps.” this is how you know they are specifically talking about Jews, and, indeed, that they believe that 1. the Holocaust was a lesson to be learned, not by the perpetrators, but by the Jewish victims of genocide, and 2. that the Nazis didn’t do their job of eliminating the Jewish people thoroughly enough. the person who wrote the screencapped comment wants to finish the job.
OK this post really gets me, aside from the desperate bloodthirstiness, because there’s a trick here which people fall for all the time. I see a lot of antisemitic stuff get passed around & lots of people just don’t recognize it or say anything about it unless it specifically spells out “the Jews.” The screenshotted rant really shows it; if you think about it, the person obviously means "The Jews."
First, they’re talking about the need to kill Zionist kids. (As an aside: WTF? Kids?) But it doesn’t make much sense to talk about Zionist babies any more than Communist babies or fascist babies. They care about milk and wet diapers, not class warfare or territorial conflicts. Babies don’t have political ideologies; they aren’t born with them and don’t automatically inherit the affiliation of their parents. They CAN be born with a preexisting identity of some racial, national, or ethnic group … like Jewishness. They’re talking about Zionists as an ethnic identity, and also assuming babies have some inborn (lesser) value determined by their descent, which is racist, even by a conservative definition of racism.
Then they’re talking about the concentration camps. Aside from the weirdness of talking about the Holocaust as a lesson that needed to be learned by its victims, the Holocaust was not some kind of action against Zionists, or Zionist Jews, but simply Jews. They targeted that ethnicity. Nazi persecution targeted Jews regardless of political affiliation. It’s not like they left Jews alone if they weren’t Zionist. Zionist Jew, Bundist Jew, Jew who didn’t get involved in politics and minded his own business, to Nazis a Jew is a Jew is a Jew and if you’re in German territory, then die. Nazis did not target Zionists, but ethnic Jews. Again, they are talking as if they are talking about an ethnic identity, not a political viewpoint.
(Aside: What is the unspecified lesson Zionists should learn from the Holocaust? What does this person think the lesson of the Holocaust is?)
This person never actually said “Jew,” they said Zionist, but they seem to be talking about Jews, which they call Zionists. They're obviously viewing their enemies as some immutable national / ethnic group. This person is not angry at some political movement or worldview or personal actions, they’re angry at an ethnicity. An ethnicity persecuted by Nazis. They’re angry at Jews. This person isn’t telling us an important critique of the Israeli government or war. This person is telling us they hate Jews and think the Nazis were right.
Sadly, there are tons of other posts that are less theatrically bloodthirsty that probably never consciously register with people. I see posts like “Zionists control the media” which is exactly the same old “Jews control the media” claim but they changed one word. I have no doubt that they flew across the screen of plenty of people who considered themselves kind, just, and tolerant, and saw the word “Zionist” and thought “Well they said Zionist not Jew, this is antizionist, not antisemitic” and did not really think “What is this guy actually saying?” I mean yeah, they said Zionist, but they meant Jew. There are a lot of people who do that, and can be pretty openly antisemitic as long as they just don’t say “Jew.” People need to learn this and notice this.
It doesn't have to say "The Jews." Think about what the person is actually saying.
And if you’re the poster of the original post seeing this, please stop for a minute and think. Were you just overwhelmed by anger for a moment, do you really want to kill children?
"You hear that? They're saying The Odyssey doesn't even have nobody!"
"They've got nobody in the Odyssey?"
"No I'm saying they don't got nobody."
"Nobody's there?"
"Nobody's not there!"
"So everyone's there?"
"Everybody but nobody!"
Having seen some births now i can say that dog birth is amazing cos they just slip n slide out one after the other like a little conveyor belt. And theyre so little and unformed. And then UNGULATE BIRTHS ... are amazing for the opposite reason which is that 10mins after being born they are filing their taxes. Unless they are goats, in which case they are committing tax fraud instead
Goats are what is called a precocial species, which means that shortly after birth they are able to do many thimgs on their own, such as standing, walking, eating, and embezzlement
in the same vein of "You have to love Jews more than you hate Nazis" to my fellow Yids: we have to love being Jewish more than we hate antisemites.
I know we all know this, but it helps to hear sometimes.
I love being a Jew. I love that I look forward to Shabbat services. I love that I'm looking forward to the High Holidays, I love that I've been tapped to do the aliyah for the Rosh Hashanah Torah chanting, I love that I successfully wrote my own name in Hebrew, at 32 years old, for the first time this past week, I love learning and growing and connecting and continuously rolling up my sleeves to enthusiastically wrestle with my identity with love and compassion and excitement.
I love being a Jew and I hope you do too.
so tell me, how exactly are they determining who "Zionists" are so that they can ban them for wrongthink? because 99.9% of the time it's just someone identifiably Jewish.
so many amazing words in the english language. you have clandestine and precarious and serendipity and iconoclast and then you also have staunch and sludge and slurp and smudge
the thing about Tangled is that this is a story geared towards little girls (even if it's "fun for the whole family," it's a disney princess movie, it's geared towards little girls), and it says, "here is a girl who is naive and doesn't know anything about the 'Real World' or how to navigate it safely and correctly. now pay close attention: the good guys are the ones who help her grow and explore new things while still respecting her own perspective and feelings, not making her feel stupid. the bad guys are the ones who tell her that she is too weak/immature/naive to do the things she wants to do, because she is fragile and needs protecting." and I watched this when I was nine years old and it resonated deep in a part of me that I couldn't articulate with words yet.
"There's no platonic explanation for this" <-you need to be nicer to your friends. Right now
#STOP SAYING 'PLATONIC' WHEN YOU MEAN 'CASUAL'#RELATIONSHIPS CAN BE PLATONIC AND ABSOLUTELY DERANGED