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Shane Hollander and Ilya Rozanov, as told through their Wikipedia talk pages.
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hi. heated rivalry sideblog :) my main is over at @thewindyoubargainedfor
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Talk: MLH (3.5k, NR)
Shane Hollander and Ilya Rozanov, as told through their Wikipedia talk pages.
i love when shane hollander just looks like a Big Loser. big loser energy. with his dweeby ass haircut and his hands in the pockets first day on earth stance and this stupid little smile on his face. like what an absolute fucking loser! and i love him!
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ok so ilya freaking out over a tender lil forehead kiss when he himself delivers dozens of tender lil kisses all over shane's body every time he has that man underneath him is hypocritical but doesn't it also really, really track... he's allowed to show incredible gentleness and care to others... but the second someone indicates that they might see him as also deserving of gentleness and care he flips out. NOT allowed. on account of him being rotten inside & fundamentally undeserving of care & so on and so forth. also what if they act like they care about you and then they abruptly and without warning take it away. and you let yourself think it might be real??? universe loves nothing more than to getcha like that and ilya rozanov will NOT be punk'd
Relatedly. Do those hockey gays have children?
Scott and kip: no. they are too busy doing rich gay things like attending expensive wine tastings and touring Europe.
Shane and Ilya: no. are you kidding me? they spent ten years fucking around doing long distance shit they are NOT about to sacrifice time they could be spending together focusing on some dumb baby instead. Also ilya voice I am scared of fatherhood I don’t think I know how to do it without fucking the kid up. Shane voice yeah. I definitely don’t want kids because of that. I definitely wouldn’t be jealous of the kid taking up your attention.
Ryan and Fabian: absolutely fucking not because they are not making it to the altar. Ryan is going to discover estrogen any minute now. Aaaaaaaany minute now. Plus I think Fabian is violently childfree and Ryan is just happy to occasionally visit her nieces and nephews
Eric and Kyle: Eric already has kids why would he need more. Kyle voice yeah and also babies are disgusting. Eric voice well yeah, but you can’t just say that.
Troy and Harris: yes and it destroys their marriage :)
Heated Rivalry, episode 6 // Full Force Galesburg promotional poster, the Mountain Goats
2 11 15 for the ask game
2. What movie have you watched most recently? What did you think of it?
oh man, i'm not much of a movie watcher, so i think the last movie i watched was muppet treasure island at my friend's house? an all-timer for sure
11. what kind of music is stuck in your head a lot lately?
answered here, but also as a general rule you can assume it's the mountain goats
15. What's a piece of advice you find yourself giving a lot?
hmm, i don't often find myself in a position to give advice except when i'm assigned to teach the newbies at roller derby. in that case my go-to advice is to keep going, and as long as you keep giving it an honest try you'll get there eventually. which i suppose is applicable to life too
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what kind of music is stuck in your head a lot lately? & is it different from what you usually listen to?
i have been listening to the mountain goats lately, so that's what's been stuck in my head! specifically the album full force galesburg, which i think is just what i come back to every summer. unfortunately it's exactly what i normally listen to, i've listened to the mountain goats nearly exclusively since i discovered them in high school. i did intend for this year to be my year of branching out and actually listening to other music!! oh well, that can wait till next month
The thing about heated rivalry is that, even though i have said it's a rare case of a ship i cannot put any ace-spec headcanons on, it still works as very ace-friendly To Me.
There's just something in "oh the sex? Yeah that's easy and straightforward and we got that totally sorted out. It's talking to each other that's the obstacle." There's just something about treating the sex not as the new pinacle, the sign of true consummation, what they've been pining for all along, but as a thing they really like and really like to do together. Yes, they're still enjoying that, now let's go watch them fail to have a basic conversation. Sure, they're having plenty of sex and it's hot or whatever but let's get at the real meat of this: whether they can say each other's names without causing problems.
Now that's a conflict I can get behind
i love that shane's whole emotional experience of heated rivalry is just him being like why is he mean to me then nice to me then mean to me then nice to me then really nice to me then really mean to me then nice to me in a way that bewilders & disconcerts me so much it briefly turns me heterosexual. and then he's mean to me again. oh it's because he's scared. yay! i can work with scared. i intend to marry him
Thank you Jesse for your continued Abby content.
The thing about Heated Rivalry and The Long Game being perceived as both a feel good love story and a true critique of hockey culture as it exists today is that those two things are fundamentally incompatible.
If Shane is Sidney Crosby adjacent in terms of how phenomenal he is as a player, that means he was subjected to the same cruel and unusual treatment that Sidney Crosby faced on his professional journey. If you’re not familiar, Crosby was targeted from as young as 12 with opposing players slashing at him and beaning the puck at him in an attempt to injure him. He was heckled and threatened by parents in the stands at peewee games. Shane is Asian on top of this, and was most definitely subject to racial abuse. If these things happened, obviously they would be traumatic and make the person on the receiving end of it aware of “the dark side of hockey.” (I would really go so far to argue that there’s no chance in hell any real life North American hockey player isn’t aware of the dark side of hockey, because the hazing and the social hierarchies are engrained into the culture).
But if Shane allegedly, the way Rachel writes The Long Game, is blissfully unaware, then they exist inside some alternate universe where hockey culture isn’t anything like what it is in this one.
Ilya’s characterization is also fundamentally incompatible with “the realities of hockey culture.” Hookup culture in locker rooms, and particularly the way hockey locker rooms treat sex and women is inherently degrading. We Breed Lions by Rick Westhead does a really phenomenal job of breaking down the systemic way boys in North American hockey are conditioned growing up to see women and girls. It’s one that has historically encouraged players to view women as status symbols, conquests, and tools for male bonding rather than as equal people. You could make the argument that Ilya was raised in Russia, so it’s different, and I don’t know anything about Russian locker room culture so I’m not going to. But he plays in the American League, alongside North American players during the duration of the book. I’m not going to get into detail about the structure of athletes and hookup culture, and I really encourage everyone to read the book or exerts of it, but they don’t view the people they sleep with as equals. They don’t value consent. Even if Ilya himself (or the character of Ilya contextualized in the reality of what hockey culture looks like) doesn’t partake in the sleazy way hockey players try to get women into bed, he’s at the very least, privy to conversations about it. Whether or not he personally participates in the more predatory aspects of that culture is moot because he would, at minimum, be immersed in locker room conversations where women are discussed as sexual conquests, hear teammates boast about hookups, and witness the attitudes that are deeply embedded within the sport.
But Ilya’s character is a good person, and the narrative supports this. So we know that the reality of hockey culture’s attitude towards women doesn’t exist in this universe. If he encountered the misogyny that is so well documented within professional hockey culture, the character as written would almost certainly reject it. Yet the novel never asks him to. Instead, it simply removes that dimension of hockey culture from the world it has constructed from his narrative altogether. He’s a hockey player and he has a lot of casual sex and those two things exist in two separate places altogether.
Ilya is also a white man, who in The Long Game, dismisses his Asian partner’s ability to accurately perceive how nasty hockey can be if we look at him in the context of reality. But Heated Rivalry isn’t rooted in reality. Instead, it presents a sanitized version of oppression where prejudice exists only when the narrative explicitly points to it and disappears elsewhere based on convenience (or if it can’t be used to paint Ilya as the darling white boyfriend who doesn’t have a racist bone in his body and actually he’s sooooo much more oppressed than his boyfriend!!!! Not that he would ever make it a competition. But Shane just doesn’t understand … good thing white Ilya is here to comprehend it for him!!)
The novel operates with an almost binary moral framework. Ignoring mental health is presented as unequivocally wrong, so mental health becomes a subject the narrative takes seriously. Racism is largely absent from the text, so it effectively ceases to exist within the univese the novel has constructed. Misogyny receives an occasional throwaway acknowledgement, allowing the narrative to sidestep the pervasive sexism embedded in professional men’s sports. (I’m sure it’s more of a focus in Troy’s book, and eventually I will read that, but I’m aware of the major plot beats and I’m aware of Rachel Reid’s tendencies, so I don’t really have high hopes).
My truth is that the show canon is what I take as truth (and you don’t know bar for bar what a character is thinking in a TV show, so omission doesn’t necessarily mean that those things don’t exist, just that we as the audience didn’t get to see them). Even the show’s canon isn’t truly compatible with the reality of hockey culture, but it’s not so blatantly dismissive of Shane and his interiority.
Rachel can write these books and call them romance. Shane doesn’t even have to be as equally fleshed out as a character as Ilya, if we’re going to call it a romance book. But to call it a social critique and ignore the elephant in the room that is race every single time is a slap in the face to the players that most definitely receive the brunt of abuse during their careers when it presents itself as a commentary on hockey culture, homophobia, masculinity, or prejudice. Once a text claims to be a commentary, what it chooses to leave out becomes part of the critique. That selectivity matters because it sanitizes who bears the cost of hockey culture in real life. Players of colour have spoken about racist abuse from teammates, opponents, fans, and even coaches. Women working in hockey have documented cultures of sexism and harassment. These are not peripheral issues!!! They are part of the fabric of the sport’s history.
At the end of the day I am going to interact with Shane and Ilya’s characterization with the lens of what they mean to me, and what their love story and dynamic symbolizes to me. Do I think it’s realistic that someone will never say something insensitive about their partner concerning part of their identity? No, but I’m not claiming to write a critique most of the time I’m writing feel good fluff for the most part. Part of the appeal for me is the fact that Shane is Asian and Ilya is an immigrant and they treat each other with respect and see each other as complete equals, and I see that reflected in the TV show dynamic. But to me, they don’t exist in the real world, because they are incompatible with it in universe.
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(hollanov, BDSM, sadism, ilya character study, mean Dom Ilya Rozanov)
It’s in the scorpion’s nature to sting. And it’s in the frog’s, to be stung.
Or, an exploration of Ilya's sadism
Anyways. Hashtag my thoughts on gay hockey divorce.
Scott and kip: Blue is the warmest color is not a good movie but the bit towards the end where the main character is at a party with all her gf’s coworkers and they’re all like ivory tower academics talking about shit she doesn’t understand and doing it on purpose to be deliberately condescending? Scott post retirement when he has to go to a work thing with kip. Odds of midlife crisis divorce: medium to high. Odds of scott cheating with a hot young gym bro and/or kip cheating with a hot young classics student: definitely not zero! The divorce would be so highly acrimonious. Fucking nightmare scenario. Somebody put scott on suicide watch.
Shane and Ilya: let us be honest. They are not going to divorce. They are going to end up codependent. Whether this is toxic or blissful is up to interpretation. They literally don’t even have a prenup. They’re gumming on each others dicks when they are ninety years old.
Ryan and Fabian: they literally aren’t even gonna make it to the altar because Fabian is super gay and Ryan is going to discover estrogen any day now. It is an amicable breakup and they remain good friends. Fabian is going to write an album about it that does pretty good numbers for an indie record. Ryan is going to win an award for best amateur drag performance at a hole in the wall bar in Toronto and the performance will be to a song off the album.
Eric and Kyle: gotta be honest this is the only book I haven’t read. That said Eric got married once and he’s not interested in a repeat. Kyle thinks marriage is a scam. They do numbers in the local swinging scene. They are having so much fun. Kyle is gonna be paying Eric conjugal visits in the nursing home.
Troy and Harris: divorce divorce divorce. I can see it in my mind’s eye. They are going to adopt children and Troy is going to be so fucking awkward. Many conversations where Harris is like babe can you please be more fucking involved in our children’s lives and Troy is like I’m an awkward guy! You knew that when you married me! Harris voice okay but you can like. Ask what they learned about in school today. It’s not that fucking hard. And Harris is going to want to post all sorts of social media content with them. We could do a family channel babe, that would be so cute! And Troy, who still routinely gets publicly lambasted for calling Dallas Kent a rapist, is going to say absolutely fucking not are you crazy? And Harris is going to call Troy boring (derogatory), and it is going to quickly spiral out of control. Odds of divorce: 80% custody battle outcome: no survivors
okay v specific but i think it would be funny if shane and ilya were talking about a cnc scene and it's all very squirmy and hot and then when they get to ilya's role shane is like 'a robber who fucks me (maybe for blackmail?? as an extra/tip?)' and ilya suggests a stalker obsessed with the star hockey player and shane kinda pulls a face like :/ and is like. maybe not that one it just makes me think about being a teenager. and ilya's like what? sorry? and shane's all yeah we had to file a restraining order because a guy tried to break into the house and honestly it was a huge bummer it took forever to deal with and get back to normal practice with the whole thing going on. plus that was the year where someone kept trying to steal my jock and honestly it was pretty unsexy. anyway
Scott hunter: you can’t feel superior to me and Kip just because you “don’t need” a Safeword you’re literally doing sex dangerously
Shane: 🤭