Silco's Daughter

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[silcos-oldest-daughter]

I'm reusing this blog from another fandom. So I wiped it clean from my previous posts.

[lovetositinsilence]

Arctober Day 5:

Legacy

[sappho-favorite-pupil-fandoms]

the only reason why the writers wouldn't have caitlyn say a single "sorry" to anyone, but especially to vi, is that having her say out loud what she was apologizing for would have made what she did more evident and harder to ignore for the audience.

some people in this fandom really love to invoke 'media literacy'. well then, think about why the only have caitlyn "talk" about her crimes with jinx. yeah, with that one pathetic, single line. during a- wait, during a scene that leads to jinx apologizing to caitlyn.

what subliminal message is caitlyn not having to apologize to anyone sending to the audience? and what message is jinx ending up apologizing to caitlyn sending, instead?

[sappho-favorite-pupil-fandoms]

as someone in this fandom has already said: i don't need the writers or the plots they write to "validate" my own personal politics. there's a lot of shows and books and movies that are good even though they are made, and therefore display, a multitude of political ideas i don't share.

but to me arcane season 2 is bad because the show completely forgets its own premises. you can't base the whole show on the premise that enforcers are a violent and oppressive force (the literal first scene is them murdering vi and jinx's parents) and then expect the audience to root for them.

same thing with vi's abuse, the writers went out of their way to let us know she was getting regularly beaten up in prison, and then they show us caitlyn hitting her with that rifle - wearing an enforcer uniform - and expect the audience to root for them to be back together in the end???

[bigriceenthusiast]

not to be insufferable about arcane again, but for all my complaining, i do think caitlyn could've had a really good arc, the writing was just weak

now, before i say anything, please stay with me + give this a shot

we go back to the french revolution (i know, i promise this is relevant): louis xvi and his wife, marie antoinette, are ruling monarchs of france. their lower-class subjects are living in truly vile conditions. they are parents, some records go as far as to suggest that they were caring parents, and the queen, specifically, loved her children dearly. their subjects still starved, though.

alas, the people finally snap; they can't do this anymore. when the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich. so, revolution comes, and the monarchs are killed, violence floods the streets, only one child survives.

told from their perspective? brutal, violent, tragic. told from the people's perspective? brutal, violent, liberating.

no one in this day and age will argue with me that the french revolution was a bad or unnecessary thing, no matter how much it may have sucked for the royal family.

however, this story isn't about louis xvi or marie antoinette or their three dead children or even their one surviving daughter. this story is about caitlyn kiramman, a fictional character that you can relate to and sympathize with precisely because she is fictional and you, as a viewer, are attached to her in some very real, human capacity that is both lacking and irrelevant in real historical discussions about the french revolution of all things

still, this is the same situation. and before ANYONE tries to argue with me, i'd like to point out there is a direct reference to the french revolution equating jinx to liberty guiding the people which i'm still mad about so it works perfectly for this analysis

now caitlyn's arc could've gone one of two ways, and i'm upset because they were fence sitting and didn't go either:

1.- we accept caitlyn becomes unethical. period. it's okay for a character to do despicable things and have us still like them, it's okay for them to be morally gray. but that's not what we see in arcane: instead, her actions are brushed over, and immediately forgiven in a way that doesn't make sense for the in-universe characters simply because she defeated some "big bad" at the end so she isn't the true villain

narratively, she's treated as a hero while she does not embody traditional heroic ideals. the difference between heroes and anti heroes is not whether if we should like and root for them, it's their motivations, methods, and morals. caitlyn doesn't work as a narrative hero and the story shouldn't treat her as such (this is ignoring how rushed her arc was absolutely every moment she was on screen)

caitlyn can be an anti-hero, she can have a corruption arc. she can have revenge, she can embody corrupt systems and still be sympathetic, but there is a narrative dissonance between her actions and her consequences/perception

2.- caitlyn is pushed even further towards her desire to heal the cities. caitlyn becomes radical in her hope and utilizes her power to be better than her mother, to work towards a kinder, juster world in her understanding that the loss of her mother was due to her own oppression.

she could try to mitigate that oppression to avoid future tragedy, think about zaunite kids who've also brutally lost their parents much younger (ie- her girlfriend), she could become an in-system revolutionary and use the political power she holds to do good

then she'd be a hero: tragedy would push her towards the opposite direction, and the way she's treated and perceived narratively would align with her plot and actions, but that didn't happen. hence people finding the whole thing infuriating

now, you may say but that's unrealistic! i mean, sure, you can think so but hope is essentially a revolutionary act and to push to heal the systems that hurt you instead of further push down the people who tried to fight for their own rights is inherently more heroic than a corruption arc

and to make myself so clear: i DON'T mind gray morality, or corruption arcs. the problem was it was horribly written.

my point is: from caitlyn's perspective what happened to her mother was a brutal, criminal act of violence and tragedy. from zaun's perspective? it was a brutal act of violence and hope

just as the french revolution wasn't about marie thérese charlotte, the bombing of piltover's council wasn't about caitlyn kiramman's feelings. she was morally wrong, and from a narrative perspective that's okay because the story as a whole is about her

[bigriceenthusiast]

you know, something that bothers me supremely about the scene where caitlyn hits vi and leaves is the imagery, and (i personally) haven't seen it discussed yet

so i'd just like to point out that caitlyn hits her with the butt of her rifle that she uses for police work (and has a similar design to what other enforcers have been seen carrying) while in uniform: the way this scene was written is bound to evoke associations of police brutality and the systemic oppression that has already been shown in arcane.

imo that just makes the whole scene worse by highlighting the power imbalance between vi and caitlyn. it's a big reminder to the viewer that we're seeing a cop that operates within a body that specifically and intentionally oppresses the lower class hitting a lower-class woman with the weapon (not tool, weapon) that we know they used to intimidate and keep them "in line" in the past

i'm not going anywhere specific with this, just wanted to know what other people thought !!

(and yes, i know vi was also in uniform, but that just points out the working imbalance of cait being her commanding officer, aka her boss; similarly i used "that woman" instead of girlfriend as to not bring in the dv undertone— and neither of these erase the socioeconomic divide between them)

[sappho-favorite-pupil-fandoms]

another thing that makes me very uncomfortable - and i will specify i'm personally very uncomfortable with it - is seeing people try and defend Caitlyn for using the Grey against Zaunites.

now, the writers very conveniently avoid specifying what are the effects of this gas or if it can be lethal, in order to minimize Caitlyn's wrong doings clearly, and basically only show its use during the two minutes montage at the beginning of episode 3.

the only thing that is for sure it's the Grey is not innocuous, and we also have at least one Zaunite saying they thought they weren't going to make it after inhaling the Grey. not to mention, the montage shows us that the Grey is used wherever Caitlyn and her team go, and not just against Chembarons in "precision" attacks.

but that's not even the real point, is it? the fact the writers had an (almost, at that point) dictator gassing people, i think wherever you're from in the world this sentence evokes real historical events, right? and it's in light of said real historical events, that i find it concerning when i see people claiming that Caitlyn did the right thing, cause "those criminals deserved to be gassed".

[sinistercervyr-deactivated20250]

kisses

[arcane-hotties]

Hottest Arcane Character Polls

This poll is not part of the tournament, but does that make it any less meaningful? I don't think so. Reblog for sample size.

"You'll die for the cause, but you won't fight for one?"

Silco v. Vander

Who's hotter?

Silco

Vander

Voting ended onOct 18, 2024

[yesitsterriblysimple]

Usually I like to keep my propaganda positive, explain why my guy is hot, not bring the other guy down. That's much more fun. But I gotta criticize Vander here, that's the only way I can explain why I believe so vehemently that Silco should win this match-up.

Vander has a really great introduction, I'll give him that. He takes care of children, he looks out for the little guy, but then what does he spend most of his time doing? Trying to maintain the status quo, the oppressive status quo.

When the people confront him in the Last Drop, wanting to fight, Vander shuts them down, reminding them of the failed rebellion. He's fixated on the past. The problem is he doesn't have a path to the future. "We look out for each other, that's the way it's always been," he says. He calls on tradition and he stands for stasis. But it's not good enough to insist that an oppressed people be satisfied with the way things are. That's not *actually* looking out for them.

When Vander and Silco are arguing, Vander says, "In fighting Topside, you'd sacrifice everything that we are. It's not the way." What an empty, meaningless argument. What *is* the way, then? I mean, Silco's methods are batshit, don't get me wrong, but it's on Vander to provide an alternative. And he doesn't. All he does is justify his own inaction, his own demoralization, his own defeat.

Vander's hotness is predicated on, oh he's such a good dad, he's such a good leader, he looks out for people, look at him talk back to Marcus lol. But that is all undermined and poisoned by the fact that Vander is a bulwark for the status quo. And imo that is the least hot thing you can be.

Silco doesn't have this issue because his hotness is based on the fact that he's a weird and creepy but charismatic villain. And ya know, for everything that he got wrong, in relation to Vander, he's right.

[yallstar]

oh i feel like SUCH a dummy for not noticing the design parallel before but viktor's dome thing in the commune?? it's a hexgate. he was having salo take the corrupted cores from the one topside to build his own. "you've given hextech to the people?" yeah literally.

[thewistlingbadger]

Literally everytime someone brings up how "evil" Silco is for making the undercity "worse" with shimmer and child labor

[fe-en]

Low quality meme time

[outromoonyy]

Me reading fluff: Haha cute.

Me reading angst: Pain is good.

Me reading smut: I'm going to hell.

Me reading all three at the same time: This is what God meant when he said “let there be light.”

[sandraharissa]

I interpret Jinx as one of these ppl who don't consider themselves political bcos the things they casually believe they think are obvious, or indisputable facts. like Jinx will hate the enforcers and want to fight against them, she does so bcos of all the mistreatment that directly impacted her life in terrible ways, but she's 'not political'. Similarly she could e.g. in her mind casually thinks of herself/her home as zaunite/Zaun without ever questioning it bcos that's the terms she grew up with.

So I agree that Jinx wouldn't consciously subscribe to an ideology or fight primarily for a cause but it's also stupid to say she's void of political opinions or beliefs, she didn't grew up in a vacuum. I think that without thinking about it she could casually keep on doing important stuff that has meaning like protecting Zaun from Piltover/Noxus invasion but in her mind not thinking of it as being a part of a movement but a simple 'protecting my home/territory' but by doing so she de facto believes and acts on a 'Zaun should be independent' ideology. If on some level she didn't care about Zaun's independence then she would be fine with an outside force taking over. (and I imagine she won't be in s2)

"I'm not political, I just don't want enforcers on my streets" - Jinx, as tho this isn't a political/ideological opinion to want to exclude Piltover police force from Zaun's territory.

like she views everything through a selfish lens but those experiences that shaped her are still ones she shares with pretty much all zaunites and that's what we call a social issue, so sometimes when Jinx will try to solve these issues just for herself she'll also solve/have an impact on them for everybody else.

Jinx blowing up the council was primarily for emotional reasons but these are the same emotions Vi felt in the opening scene of ep 1 and these are the same emotions probs any other zaunite felt at least at one point in their life when somebody close to them died bcos of Piltover.

[julietwiskey1]

Jinx having been born and raised in the Zaun independence movement would have some of that ideology. She might not spend time thinking about what it means or delving into it, but it’s part of the fabric of her upbringing.

It would probably show as being anti-Piltover. I don’t see her being happy about enforcers on the streets of Zaun trying to track her down. Or interfere with the business she has on hand. Or them trying to corral her and the rest of them underground.

Nor would she swap alliances between someone in Zaun to someone in Piltover because it’s more convenient.

[corinthianrm0]

love the fathers💋

[embershroud108]

In one of your reblog you talked about how the line 'consecrate you' and 'sanctify you' were making Jinx the devotee instead of Ekko, can you explain that a bit ? I'm french so i sometimes dont understand all the nuances in the language /gen

Sure thing.

Sanctify and consecrate are basically synonymous, and they mean to make holy, or to spiritually purify or empower or bless something. In this case it’s a person, presumably Jinx if Ekko is speaking these lines.

Now, that makes no sense if Ekko is the worshipper or devotee. A devotee doesn’t sanctify or bless his deity, it’s the other way around, the deity (or a priest or guru or whoever who supposedly can access the deity’s power) is the one who blesses. So when Ekko says he “prays to” and “glorifies” her that puts him in the role of a worshipper and her in the role of the deity. But when he says he “consecrates” and “sanctifies” her that puts him in the deity (or priest) role.

The image that’s shown with the “consecrate you” line seems to very strongly play into that idea

Almost like she’s being “blessed” by the firelights (symbols of hope) to signify how she’s starting to be uplifted out of her wretched state.

Now, you can consecrate or sanctify the image of a deity, but that’s not what the lines say, he specifically says “you” as in a person, although admittedly the image that is shown during the “sanctify you” line does give the sense of a blessed holy image. But I think this can still be read as Ekko effectively being the one to bring her salvation. In other words, he wants to Save her in the strongest possible terms.

So it’s more complicated and sophisticated than just “he’s worshipping her like a goddess.”

(Hopefully some of that made sense and wasn’t more confusing lol)

[silcos-oldest-daughter]

@saccharineomens This crown!

also since you mention Jarvan, there's also the banners with his face and later there's his lance in a play 👇