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to be honest i think there’s a large number of people who conflate the very real and widespread phenomenon that women tend to be written off as just mothers or love interests in order to diminish their importance in a given story with the fact that a huge reason they’re sent to narrative purgatory in this way is BECAUSE the labels of “mother” and “girlfriend/wife” are systematically devalued and seen as inherently inferior because they’re terms that have been associated with ownership and/or control over women. like the amount of people who’ve told me that a certain female character is uninteresting or badly written because she happened to have a kid or be a man’s girlfriend or sister just to find out she was actually fleshed out very well and carried significant narrative importance frustrates me soo bad. there’s a huge problem with how those roles (specifically “wife” and “mother”) are systematically devalued and yet also perpetuated as the only viable options for women to achieve their societal roles in the patriarchy but acknowledging the devaluation of those labels to begin with is an important discussion in itself.

mirainikki

you are white before you are trans and i feel like some of y'all forget that

zeetannas

people who say they think female characters are fundamentally uninteresting are genuinely the weakest links to me like if you cant even make yourself care about a FICTIONAL woman u kind of need to die slow

rainbow-femme

I love the idea of Shane being not just good at hockey but good at all sports, to the point where it fascinates and infuriates the other Centaurs

Because what do you mean they went to the batting cages for some silly fun to watch everyone flail at an unfamiliar sport, only for Shane to need three practice swings before figuring out the force and timing needed to start hitting every single pitch? What do you mean he sets the course record at the mini golf place they have the Pike twins birthday at? What do you mean he learned how to play cricket over a long weekend in the UK? What do you MEAN your Canadian ass that grew up on a calm, tiny lake went to visit Rose in LA and just learned to surf from “some guy” one of the days she was busy??

Shane doesn’t get why they all think it’s so crazy. He’s a professional athlete, he’s good at full body and mind control as well as adaptability and hand-eye coordination, and he’s so used to being the best in the world at hockey that he views being mundanely good at anything else as barely noticeable. He argues with Troy over whether he counts as being good at basketball just because he killed them all at the basketball shooting game at a Dave and Buster’s

They all start making bets to see who can find a sport Hollander isn’t good at. Harris is convinced he’ll win with figure skating because Shane’s muscle memory will want to work against him with a technique that’s so similar but also so different, only for Shane to come out of an afternoon learning from his old friend who was at the Olympics with the ability to do simple jumps and spins and is insisting the whole team learn so they can incorporate it into plays. Harris is not allowed to make suggestions after that

Ilya just sits back and lustily watches his husband destroy their friends at volley ball, wrestling, tennis, broom ball, and ultimate frisbee. Shane participates in an all pro athlete Ninja Warrior event to raise money for charity and Ilya can’t watch the clips of Shane flying through the course like a bat out of hell unless he is able to fuck Shane immediately after it ends

#heated rivalry headcanons

taahko

i think some of you dont like narratives or stories or characters i think you just like fanfiction tropes

taahko

protagonists can and will be sexist, racist, insensitive, cruel, stupid, etc, especially towards the beginning of a story. these are called character flaws and they are a surprise tool that will lead to narrative fulfillment later

mapswithoutwyoming

And sometimes "narrative fulfillment" doesn't mean "the character overcomes their flaws" or even "the antihero is punished for their flaws"! sometimes it means the narrative says "wow was that fucked up or what? anyway i'm rod sterling"

8one6

I don't think the current "depiction = endorsement" crowd will ever be able to understand this.

#y'all consume drama like you're cheering for sports teams #it makes me tired #sorry that character was meeean to your fave #the writer should have done something else for a story to happen #hold hands and sing kumbaya or some shit if #fandom wank

hippopopotame

when racial humiliation gets mistaken for complicity: on the hudson williams "discourse"

i've been thinking a lot about the whole hudson williams inflammatory photo situation, about whether i want to post anything into the internet abyss, about what i can even contribute to this matter. i've decided i'm going to dump some of my thoughts because this whole thing feels a lot less like run-of-the-mill internet discourse and more like a huge, racially-motivated internet defamation campaign.

it’s disappointing to see people demand accountability from a cyberstalked celebrity for something that may very well have been racial humiliation, coercion, and/or targeting when he was a minor. and just to be clear, the symbols in the photo are absolutely offensive. i’m not disputing that. however, a huge part of the issue for me is how few people seem interested in context & how quickly a decontextualized image has been treated as definitive proof of intent, agency, and endorsement.

i’m going to try to share this without doxxing myself. i’m white. i grew up in a very white suburban neighborhood and attended a predominantly white public high school. the racist bullying in my school was so bad that a major news network made an entire documentary about it. i share the below having spent a lot of time reflecting on my own complacency as a white person & through conversations i’ve had (and still have -- the trauma fucking lingers) with long-term friends who experienced racially-motivated hate daily in our school. i know my school is not unique, which is a large part of the reason why i've decided to share this.

(i’m about to share examples, so if you don’t want to read, i've noted below where the examples end. if you're white, please sit with the discomfort & continue reading.)

in my high school, it was commonplace for students of color -- especially melanated students of color -- to be hazed, degraded, and publicly humiliated. racist harassment and acts of racial terror were normalized, and assimilation to whiteness was expected in order to maintain the school’s (and broader community's) racial hierarchy. for many students of color, belonging was conditional. social acceptance usually required minimizing experiences of racism, laughing along with racist jokes, distancing themselves from other students of color, tolerating humiliation and abuse, proving they were “not like the other [students of color],” etc.

the reward for “playing along” was limited and precarious social inclusion. the punishment was exclusion and ostracization by students and parents alike. for many of my friends and peers, assimilation to whiteness was not a desired choice -- it was survival. people of color are often taught that they must endure racism, degradation, and humiliation to gain access to spaces that white people inhabit by default.

the same weekend my school hosted its annual “diversity night,” a white jewish student drew a sw*stika on a Brown student at a party and posted it on instagram. the Brown student was suspended for three days, and the white student -- whose parents defended him like they were in court -- got away scot-free. my friends of color have repeatedly shared that they felt gaslit by our school, which proudly hosted diversity initiatives, multicultural events, and anti-bullying campaigns, yet did little to hold individual students/friend groups accountable for racist harm. instead, the students who were held accountable were often the very students of color who fell victim to this racist harm.

(examples over)

i feel like a lot of people engaging in the hudson discourse are failing to recognize how often racial humiliation functions as a social ritual that reinforces white supremacy. we now have access to a photo of a teenager who was one of the only people of color in a predominantly white social environment, surrounded by white peers, with hateful symbols drawn on his face. maybe he made terrible decisions. maybe he should have objected. maybe he felt like he couldn’t. the point is, we don't know the context. why are we so quick to dismiss the possibility that an asian teenager in a predominantly white social environment may have been the target of racial humiliation, coercion, or abuse?

i also can't help but think about the model minority myth. asian folks are often expected to navigate racism in ways that are legible to white audiences -- be respectable, agreeable, non-confrontational, respond "correctly," etc. yet racism ofc doesn't always look like open hostility, and survival doesn't always look like resistance. sometimes it looks like silence. or laughing along. or enduring humiliation because the social consequences of refusing are worse. like i said above, for many people of color, assimilation is a strategy for survival. the speed with which folks have dismissed those possibilities says a lot about how narrowly many people understand racism, victimhood, and accountability when asian people are involved.

what's clear is that people have spent months digging through his entire historical internet presence, combing through the private social media accounts of people he knew as a teenager, excavating photos that were never meant for public consumption, and distributing them online to maximize outrage. say what you will about the celebrity as a surveilled public commodity -- that's not the point i'm trying to make here. people are digging through this guy’s life with the explicit goal of finding material that can be used against him, flattening every possible interpretation of the shared image into the one that causes the maximum amount of harm. we act as though the existence of a photograph tells us everything we need to know about the circumstances under which it was taken.

a lot of people seem less interested in understanding context/what happened than they are in destroying him. and (coming from a queer jew) a lot of people are suddenly very eager to weaponize antisemitism and homophobia as "gotchas" when they've never previously demonstrated any meaningful concern for either.

one last thing -- demanding accountability is not the same as pursuing justice. without context, proportionality, or any interest in the truth, it merely feels like part of the spectacle.

cens105

This is an extremely thoughtful addition to this whole topic. Especially the part about what survival might look like for a bi-racial teenager in a white majority town where people are now digging up accounts of pretty widespread racism.

But also, it made me think of the now infamous carrot thirst tweet reading that BuzzFeed quietly edited out of their video last night. Where they made a racially charged joke right into Hudson's face that wasn't about thirst, but about ranking of penis carrot sizes, clearly about trying to humiliate him based on a racist stereotype. And we could talk about how that passed through an entire editorial room and how it stayed online for clicks for 5 months despite fans calling it out. But what I want to point to the way Hudson reacted to it. Navigating it with pinpoint precision - on the edge of calling it out but without making a scene, "participating" in the joke, but showing enough distance. Right at the beginning of his fucking career, having to maintain professionalism and dignity. It makes me think about how much he had to put up with growing up to be this skilled at fielding a deeply offensive situation with his budding career in the balance.

#I've been thinking about this ever since I saw that video #the way he spun his reaction into something funny and handled it like water off a duck's back #everyone either thinks Hudson's been excellently media trained or received none #the truth is he has grown up walking the tightrope of being an affable class clown without becoming a liability in white spaces #he has learned how far to push‚ how to gauge reactions‚ how to roll with the punches‚ how to put everyone at ease‚#how to make jokes only at his own expense #like I didn't have any investment in him at the time other than being entertained. it was so fucking clear to me #this is how kids of colour who grow up in majority white towns survive #they have to be 'one of the good ones'#this is why fans of colour are so drawn to him #it's not just his success and charisma #we see our struggles mirrored in him #hudson williams #anti-asian racism #white supremacy

fuuuckwhoknows

I love the idea of Shane’s chirps just being observations.

It started when he was a kid and he was trying to help everyone get better at hockey including the opposing teams players, he would say something like “your stick grip is weak” or “you’re slow on your right” (idk i don’t know hockey very well ESPECIALLY little kid hockey) but he says it totally deadpan because little Shanebug doesn’t understand tone yet.

This makes the other teams so mad! They try and fight him constantly! Little bitty baby hockey fights and then Yuna sits him down in middle school after the first fight that he actually gets hurt (black eye and bloody lip) and asks him what he is saying to make everyone fight him?

“Nothing mean I swear mom!!! I’m trying to be nice and help correct their form”

And suddenly Yuna gets it and explains to Shane that not everyone but especially not the opposing team likes to have their flaws pointed out to them even if it’s coming from a good place and how that could be seen as chirping.

So he stops for a while, then his coach for world juniors tells him to try and piss off Rozanov enough that they can draw a penalty. So Shane does what he does best and points out a flaw at each face off. Jokes on him though because Ilya is actively changing those things and getting better every face off because he is taking it for what it is, advice.

Which pisses Shane off, he thinks his chirping tactic won’t work now that he is older. So he points out at his first scrimmage at practice in Montreal that the center who has been there for years (who he is probably replacing) is favoring his left side is staying too far left to compensate (again I don’t know hockey so I am trying to translate things I know about soccer lol)

And the center loses it on him! Immediately yelling about the lack of respect and how a rookie makes it to the MLH and thinks they are hot shit.

So Shane realizes his chirping DOES work just not on rozanov and becomes a menace he studies game tape specifically to find holes in his opponents game and pre prepares chirps and it fucking works because all these men are so far up their own asses that they just get mad instead of using the advice.

Idk I just needed Shane Chirping but in a very Shane way. Like he really just wants to play hockey but chirping is part of hockey so he studies chirping but doesn’t want to do any of the “classic” chirps (your mom! Your wife! Your girlfriend! You’re gay! Type of stuff) so he invents his own chirps out of his amazing mind

#once again begging y'all to read Hope You're Not Waiting For Me to Wait For You by Latigra #it's a dark comedy series that dials up Shane's autistic assholery to 11 #huge bitch Shane my beloved #there are interactions like this in the series where Shane's just stating facts #but the most likeable and PoV guy in the team thinks he's being a huge asshole #they're disasters #shane hollander #shane hollander meta #heated rivalry meta

I really hate it when Ilya acts like a jealous man-child to Rose. It's one thing to tell Shane he's not comfortable with him being friends with his ex, or at least that Ilya himself would prefer not to interact with Rose. It's another for him act like she's the Other Woman angling to steal Shane back. These social media fics where he's openly rude to Rose and insults her and anyone who likes her unprovoked give me the ick.

Men being tantrum throwing toddlers who can't keep a civil tongue in their heads when talking to women are not cute sorry. Especially the ones who've made being an asshole their entire brand.

#the way he keeps insulting Hayden in the books unprovoked was also not okay #I can't believe anyone could read that and believe Hayden was the problem there #book Ilya Rozanov is one of my favourite characters but if he was a real person I'd probably hate him #I very much do hate fanon Ilya Rozanov who's either the innocent victim of Hayden and JJ's unjustified hate #or just constantly rags Shane's friends #sure Ilya and Hayden ragging on each other is a fun schtick and I don't want them to be friends bc frenemies are so much more interesting #but in the books and the fic it veers into uncomfortably means #I don't buy that Jackie would laugh along at some of the shit Ilya says instead of punching him herself #ilya rozanov #hayden pike #fandom misogyny #spite waffle #heated rivarly fanfic #fandom wank #rose landry

i clicked on your blog from my notif of you reblogging my hudson rant (apparently i was a little off when i said 3 gay strangers lmao) and i just wanted to say that the stuff you've put up about it is really well composed and thoughtful and you seem like, you know, a refreshingly fucking sane human being. i'm a half-white poc myself, but being non-asian and determinedly disconnected from the twt/threads/stan fandom has sheltered me from a lot of the truly heinous shit i'm discovering through this fuckoff excuse for a "scandal." anyway i don't need to rant against the insanity of it all again in your asks, but wanted to say hi :) and i hope you're doing alright, and i'm glad the blog-post of my boiled over rage seems to have been validating and also a bit of a laugh for you lol. much love, fuck the racist pathetic creeps.

Hi!! It's always so great to find fellow queer poc in fandoms! I'm South Asian living in South Asia. My experience of being an immigrant is purely from doing undergrad in Canada before I dipped lol. I don't know about being a sane human being, I think living in the world as it is now and being any degree of informed is not conducive to sanity in any form lmao. But I'm flattered you like my blog! Half the time I feel like an unhinged reactive ranter beating the same dead horses. So it's always a relief to find other people who also get angry and express it in engagingly funny ways!

I'm on Twitter a lot for leftist-oriented news and political discussions because Reddit is a neoliberal hellpit. (Musk hasn't been able to kill the leftist communities there even though they've been damaged.) I started following the Heated Rivalry fandom there as a distraction from like, war, genocide, looming economic collapse, fascism... which was pleasant for like five minutes until I remembered what happens to fan communities of colour on these platforms. 😭 Although I guess problems we can actually address are better than just passively having to watch the world go to hell. Currently though I'm burying myself in five metric tons of fanfiction and wouldn't have known about this if not for a TikTok that came up between my videos of cats and overpriced shoe collections. I had to go on twitter to check because my insatiable nosiness is a curse. In my defence this latest bullshit is on fucking TMZ and BuzzFeed. But yeah, it's really demoralising having to ride like the Rohirrim for fucking celebrities every time some Epstein class dickhole unleashes an AI bot farm on one of them for being on TV with too much melanin or daring say something like "humans should have rights" on main. Like I do not want to be here either! But the alternative is letting them win, so. Meh.

Anyway, much love, fuck the pathetic racist creeps, and feel free to rage, you're incredibly funny! 💕

#spite waffle #asks #fandom racism #fandom wank

hudkarma

I've done this before but I'll give it a revamp. A good way to positively support Hudson right now is to support his short films. Leave a like or a comment showing love not just for Hudson but for the film itself!

And… Action!

And... Release!

Brim Reaper

Buttons

CHAD GPT

Detective Ultra

Devil Makes Three

Dogging (TW: Domestic Violence)

A Girl Dies

A Heist of the Heart (time stamp is 1:52:08)

Hold your Back (TW: Domestic Violence)

Inside Augustine Mendoza's Quotidian Apartment

The Interview

Jump (TW: Depression/Suicidal Ideation)

KTFO

Lights On (Music Video)

Madwoman (Music Video)

Metal Fist Death Punch

Off Objective

Over the Edge (TW: Depression/Suicidal Ideation)

Peace of Mind

Peaceful Protest Turned Heated Rivalry (TW: Gore)

Sanctuary

Snow Angel (TW: Drugs/Violence)

Soakers (TW: Sexual Content)

Super Support (TW: Suicidal Ideation)

Supper Support 2 (TW: Suicidal Ideation)

The Dating Game

The Ticket

The Walls

#this is great op thank you!#support him!#hudson williams

chevelleneech

I don’t speak ill of Connor, because I have no reason to, but his fans starting to get real bold in Hudson’s tag all because people are (unnecessarily so) wanting him to speak up in defense of Hudson. A bunch of attempted drags, talking about, “Connor doesn’t have to say anything, he didn’t do anything racist!”

Meanwhile, if we’re going to play tit for tat:

Who was raised in a maga city with maga family? Connor. Who also made an active choice to be racially insensitive on more than one occasion? Connor. Whose social circle was and still is predominantly white? Connor’s. Whose glam and career team is predominantly white? Connor’s. Who chose to blatantly deny supporting a statement denouncing the racism happening within his own fandom, coming directly from his fans and targeting his Asian best friend? Connor. Who, between Connor and Hudson are less outspoken about their views on racism and discrimination? Connor. Thus, who between Hudson and Connor is the one to have more “evidence” favoring him toward holding racist views?

Exactly. Neither one of them appear to be bad people, and it is easy to create the illusion of Connor being racist or at the very least uncaring about racial injustice, but he is white, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. He is also presumably gay, which somehow convinces people that he can’t be an oppressor, yet Hudson is never afforded the same grace since at the very least, he is an ethnic minority.

Y’all take whatever is said about Hudson and push it as true, but if I were to start saying I think Connor might be diet racist, in that he isn’t actively slinging slurs, but probably doesn’t care about non-white people, I’d be in the wrong. I’d be called out for harassing a gay man in defense of a straight man, even though the same is not allowed to be said about the people using racially insensitive means to harass Hudson. Pointing that out is considered infantilizing.

And before anyone jumps into my inbox crying about how I hate Connor and was waiting for a moment to show it, no, I don’t, which is the point. Hudson has made two questionable choices regarding racial insensitivity, while Connor has made three. The cornrows, the “Native” photography, and the lack of support for the statement. However, they both had seemingly similar upbringings.

Odessa and Kamloops are both conservative small towns, they both grew up around racist people, both knew at a young age they wanted to become actors/filmmakers, both had to essentially bite their tongues when it came to expressing themselves. Difference, Connor seemingly made the choice to be out or out adjacent, whereas Hudson conformed (whether queer or not) to masculine ideals. Upon turning 17/18, both chose to pursue acting and filmmaking and got in close with the queer communities in their respective cities.

Y’all can yap all day about how Hudson is oh so obviously not a good person, but if he’s a piece of shit because the people in his past did wrong or questionable things, then so is Connor. But if you can believe Connor is an artsy kid who grew up around bad influences, yet did his best to survive until he was able to go his own way, then how come the same can’t be said about Hudson?

Their lives mirror almost perfectly, but the white man is the only one coming out unscathed. Yet y’all don’t view that as racially driven dismissal. Okay.

#yes #idc about Connor but if you're coming for Hudson and not Connor I know what you are #hudson williams #connor storrie #hypocrisy got y’all by the throats #fandom racism

graphicabyss

this is so so sad

#oh honey #hudson williams #fandom racism