Syscourse Is A Zoo

UNRETIRED (temporarily) Sophie leave me the FUCK alone like I keep asking.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Welcome!

Well we used to have a pinned post. Not sure who deleted it or why but here's our Intro Pt. 2 lol.

We are The Menagerie! This blog stays separate from our main so we don't taint it with syscourse. We are a polyfragmented DID system in our 30s seeking Functional Multiplicity. We have over 40 logged members and we use parts/alter/member terminology interchangeably. We do not have a syscourse stance: Do NOT force one on us. We have friends and opinions on both sides of syscourse and our beliefs cannot be confined to "pro" or "anti". We are syscourse-unaligned. If you need a better understanding of that, we are pro-science, anti-misinformation and anti-harassment and will not be changing or debating that. We don't usually sign off but a short list of those who participate in syscourse and their syscourse passions are below the cut!

Em (they/them): Passionate about general system stuff, neurology, science and factual information (credit to @grizzlart for one of my favourite depictions of me)

Jasper (he/them): -Passionate about Persecutor discourse and source-connection

Jacob (he/him): -Passionate about littlecourse and how much he hates the term "little" lol

Allison (she/her): -Passionate about fusion and healing paths

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

..

Was sas always like that..

It’s complicated. I won’t get into his personal shit, but we did use to be friends and we did speak daily, if that gives you an idea. He’s the reason my partner and I got into keeping shrimp lol. It sucks to have lost that friendship and to hear him say the things he does about us, but there’s no point in hoping for reconciliation at this point.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Catherine: I'm leaving syscourse for good!

Also Catherine, regularly: People aren't talking about the thing anymore so it's time to break syscourse again!

[swarm-queen-cuatro]

I said I'd leave if you gaslighters kept my name out of it, and you gaslighters kept my name in it, repeatedly, for months.

I have explained repeatedly how I was involved from the beginning, but you keep ignoring it, because you're a gaslighting piece of shit.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Lmao we haven’t talked about it in months. The only ones still talking about it are you, Sophie and SAS. The rest of us are doing our best to stay out of it and move on. I feel bad for your headmates. Have the day you deserve, I won’t be replying again.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

it’s so funny watching SAS’s tantrums about accountability and apologies because it’s like… okay lmao when has anyone in this community who’s done bad shit ever been accountable and apologized. love this very ‘this specific shitty situation’ based moral compass you got there. like is he not embarrassed of how transparently hypocritical it is to be buddying with sophie while on a high horse about accountability and apologies. the double standard is unbelievable. but yeah the person posting graphic fantasies about what someone’s in-system rape might have been like or talking gleefully about what their childhood abuse may have been like is definitely morally upstanding lmao.

Tbh I went no contact with SAS after everything happened and he blocked me so I don't really know what bullshit he's saying these days. But considering catherine-clover hasn't let it go and Sophie CLEARLY hasn't let it go, I doubt he has either.

Also they can't seem to understand that demanded apologies don't count. You can't demand someone hold themselves accountable. He burned his bridges, I just wish he'd stop making it everyone's problem. It's been what? Five months now? Six? And he was never involved anyways, he involved himself.

Sucks, but I just wish they'd shut the fuck up at this point.

[schizofemic]

most successful system resources are made by pro-endos or are endo-neutral for 2 main reasons

people with severe childhood trauma are less likely to have access to the means and stability required to maintain system resources for a wider community. how can you maintain an alter-tracking app or run a support group when your priorities are escaping abuse, stabilizing your life, coping with trauma, etc? especially when trauma survivors are more likely to be in poverty. a system that formed without trauma exists at a point of privilege, as they are generally less likely to be in an ongoing stressful situation that would prohibit maintaining these resources. anyone who brags of how "pro endos are running the most prolific system/plural supports so its pointless to be anti endo" is effectively bragging about how endogenics are better than ppl with cdds because they lack trauma.

widespread anti endo resources get harassed into shutting down (see systemtime) or pressured and blacklisted into declaring themselves endo neutral (see octocon). anti endo resources are forced into being localized, smaller, and not publicly talked about bc its been years and the pro endo community still has a massive problem of violently demanding that anti endos surrender their resources (and security- see pluralkits ongoing privacy issues!) to them.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

...what???? Your first point is absolutely nonsensical. Pro- and neutral- are mostly STILL people with severe childhood trauma. They are inherently the same as anti-endos in situation. How on earth are you suggesting that pro- and neutral- CDD systems are somehow more stable and less traumatized so we make better resources? We formed the EXACT same way as antis.

Not only are you victimizing your own community and acting like they aren't capable, you're also VASTLY diminishing what the rest of us went through to develop our CDDs. That's gross. Pro- and neutral- does NOT equal endogenic.

[schizofemic]

hey im going to be completely real with you. this blog is not a discourse blog. it functions more adjacently to a vent blog. when you responded to this post, it was out of expectation for a debate, which you will not receive, and no matter which response i give you- whether i am angry and defensive, whether i take the time out of my day to construct some delicately written argument, whether i outright ignore you- i am well aware it will be taken to feed your ego, confuse adrenaline for dopamine and whatnot. that is the nature of syscourse, all-sides, really; no one is exempt, and my refusal to engage in debate is my little exit from the discourse rat race. im well aware of the game. im not here to play it.

if you want to believe in productive debate, please look for it elsewhere! any continuation of a discussion with me will go nowhere, and i will assume it will be to feed ego, and so will many others now that i have put this into open air.

enjoy your day :D

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

I genuinely do not care if this is a discourse blog or not. You don't get to invalidate my or any other CDD system's trauma. You don't get to say shit and not expect backlash. Venting doesn't mean you have to make shit up about people you don't like. We have no more privilege and stability as a system than you do or literally any other CDD system. Trying to draw this line between us like it has any validity (it doesn't) is disgusting.

I threw it into syscourse because you made it about syscourse. Anything about the pro- anti- neutral-endo is syscourse and when you say harmful shit like this, expect people to push back and be angry about itself.

Also you can assume whatever you want about why I responded. I responded because you pissed me off.

[schizofemic]

most successful system resources are made by pro-endos or are endo-neutral for 2 main reasons

people with severe childhood trauma are less likely to have access to the means and stability required to maintain system resources for a wider community. how can you maintain an alter-tracking app or run a support group when your priorities are escaping abuse, stabilizing your life, coping with trauma, etc? especially when trauma survivors are more likely to be in poverty. a system that formed without trauma exists at a point of privilege, as they are generally less likely to be in an ongoing stressful situation that would prohibit maintaining these resources. anyone who brags of how "pro endos are running the most prolific system/plural supports so its pointless to be anti endo" is effectively bragging about how endogenics are better than ppl with cdds because they lack trauma.

widespread anti endo resources get harassed into shutting down (see systemtime) or pressured and blacklisted into declaring themselves endo neutral (see octocon). anti endo resources are forced into being localized, smaller, and not publicly talked about bc its been years and the pro endo community still has a massive problem of violently demanding that anti endos surrender their resources (and security- see pluralkits ongoing privacy issues!) to them.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

...what???? Your first point is absolutely nonsensical. Pro- and neutral- are mostly STILL people with severe childhood trauma. They are inherently the same as anti-endos in situation. How on earth are you suggesting that pro- and neutral- CDD systems are somehow more stable and less traumatized so we make better resources? We formed the EXACT same way as antis.

Not only are you victimizing your own community and acting like they aren't capable, you're also VASTLY diminishing what the rest of us went through to develop our CDDs. That's gross. Pro- and neutral- does NOT equal endogenic.

[cdd-positivity]

⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀⠀ ⠀ .⠀ Pinned Introduction! 　.

Hallo! This is a survivor-centered positivity and support blog for people who have Complex Dissociative Disorders (CDDs), welcoming everyone with C-DID, DID, P-DID, or OSDD-1!

This blog serves to provide a safer, more understanding environment for survivors who are often ignored, mocked, trivialized, romanticized, or even treated as "discourse" instead of people.

Now, of course, despite the blog being centered around CDDs, you are still free to interact and follow if you are a trauma survivor in general. Just do your best to not derail who the focus of the blog is for.

I also encourage anyone else to share their own positivity, whether celebrating their own or another's accomplishments, or sharing their own words of encouragement.

While we do have our stances in our bio, we are also against harassment and fake-claiming. No, this is not an invitation to attempt to debate against our stances. They're not changing.

　　　　　　 　.　 About The Blog! 　.

The focus of this blog is primarily on positivity, affirmations, and reminders for other survivors and systems, alongside comforting imagery.

This is neither an education nor a debate-focused blog. Do not bring any arguments here. I encourage you to seek out an alternative blog if that's what you're looking for.

　　　　　　 　. 　Do Not Interact! 　.

— - (Pro/Neu) Non-CDD "Plurality" or "Systems", including endos, willos, tulpas, and anything else adjacent.

— - Proship, Darkship, Profic, or even just romanticized or glorified dark content, because it makes us uncomfortable.

— - (Pro/Neu) Radqueers, including M.U.Ds, Xenosatanists, and TransID/PermaID/CisID/NullID users.

— - TCC / True Crime Community. Fuck off.

— - T.R.A.S.H (Transphobic, Racist, Ableist, Sexist, or Homophobic)

— - RAMCOA/OEA & Programming Deniers.

— - "Syscourse Unaligned" or "Endo Neutral" blogs.

— - Transmisogynists and Transandrophobes, including anyone who denies the existence of either, compares oppression competitively, or uses TMA/TME terminology.

Otherwise, we block freely.

　　　　 　　　.　 Before You Go! 　.

Remember.

You deserve kindness.

You deserve love.

You deserve to be heard.

You deserve a life beyond just survival.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

You know what? I'm real tired of this. You are not safe for all trauma survivors. You are not safe for all CDDs. Say up front you're only safe for antis and stop giving everyone else false hope that they finally have a safe space to belong to.

Forcing syscourse on trauma survivors is not a safe space.

Safe for everyone regardless of system status? Really? So singlets with PTSD are better treated on this blog than an endo with trauma or a polyfrag DID system that doesn't care about syscourse or endos whatsoever? I mean hell! You're blocking people from access just for a stance that won't ever be mentioned just because it makes you uncomfy.

I don't deserve love just because I'm syscourse neutral? Do I not deserve a life beyond just survival? Is one only deserving of safety and positivity if they hate a group you don't like?

Safe space my ass. Own your bigotry instead of acting like you're a safe space for everyone.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Catherine: I'm leaving syscourse for good!

Also Catherine, regularly: People aren't talking about the thing anymore so it's time to break syscourse again!

[url-i-wont-remember]

[Disclaimer to start: I don't hold anything against people who use microlabels. They're not my thing whatsoever but I acknowledge they work well for some people. I don't care what you call yourself. My feelings on it are weird and hard to summarize, but this isn't meant to be hostile and I do welcome genuine conversation. Under the cut to keep dashboards short.]

One thing that bugs me more than it probably should is how unusable basically every maintag for an identity is. (I use ±& as my main complaint here, but I notice it in queer and nonhuman communities too.)

9 out of every 10 posts I see are coining terms or flags or something. As nice as it is to have something that describes you, a lot of these posts for very niche terms like "alter role embodied by the concept of an abandoned fork in a soup kitchen that a rat tried to steal and gave up because it got stuck under a table leg" don't end up with even a single like on them, which leads me to think... how do I phrase this.

It's coining for the sake of coining, but not exactly to fill a need? I never see these niche terms or flags used in the wild. I rarely see people exclaiming that the niche hyper-specific term is exactly what they were missing. But they do end up drowning out posts where people look for advice, cheer themselves on, etc. And people who coin terms for fun aren't committing some horrible sin or anything, but I guess I just don't see the point, and it's frustrating when something I don't see the point in makes it impossible to find things I'm actually looking for? If that makes any sense?

Instead, most posts I see are coining or things like "build a headmate." I won't argue that these things shouldn't exist, but I can't think of a single tag that *isn't* filled with them. Most BAH and coining blogs you'll find tag every plural tag possible. The coining blog will tag a post where they define "Chef" as a role for an alter who likes to cook food with #plural #actually plural #pluralgang #(5 syscourse stance tags) #(5 more synonyms for system). And blocking too many blogs in a tag can make Tumblr stop letting you see the tag entirely... so I tend to just give up and go back to looking at who my mutuals reblog from instead.

If I'm looking in "#actually plural", there's a specific type of post I'm hoping to see. I'm looking for other people to follow and uplift. Even sillier things like "headmate stole my string cheese fml" is on the right track. I don't need elaborate essays (though theory IS nice to see!) but I am hoping to see... what other people are experiencing.

I'd like to find new people outside of my circles, but at times it seems like they just don't exist. Thoughts appreciated - especially if you know of any tags that don't have as much of an issue with this.

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Say it louder for the people in the back!

Between anti-endo hate fests, aesthetic blogs, bah blogs and coining blogs, there's no place left for those of us who just want to see CDD experiences.

It's all gone. The cross-tagging is so goddamn bad that I'm basically only here for syscourse at this point and it fucking sucks. I don't know why it's so goddamn hard for people to keep their posts in the relevant tags. I'm so sick of this "for reach" culture that the new generations of tumblr blogs have insisted on so much that they break the fucking site and swallow all the spaces for survivors.

[catchymemes]

[pro-gay]

people reblogging this talking about the english language. fuck the english language. the fascinating thing here isn’t how you pronounce it, it’s his amazing teaching skills. monolingual people be quiet for once challenge

[geocaprican]

I really felt and shared her “Wow”

[anti-willo-vi]

LMAO hey guys, there's yet another pro-endo(are we surprised) fakeclaiming and telling antis to off themselves. I suggest blocking on all accounts for your sanity and well being. I hope they can learn to cope with people being right instead of being a dickhead. Fakeclaiming actually traumatized individuals while supporting ableists(again, are we surprised) They're also targetting therians and otherkin, so please beware. Honestly hobbyless behavior User is @stealthyproxysurvivor

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

That screenshot literally says "fuck endos" HOW do you fucking get that this is a pro-endo problem? Y'all will really just make up anything even if your proof states you're blatantly wrong. Dear god.

Can we just all agree this guy is an asshat and call it a day without trying to involve syscourse into this???

[education-system]

Reminder to block, report and move on. Please stay safe everyone.

Let's distract with a question. If you had all the time in the world to do what you want what would you do with it?

We'd read all the books we have wanted to read for a while and spend time writing songs. Also do more research into disorders to better understand them and help others to understand them :)

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

I'd be one of those professional students who just learns for a living about whatever they want.

[thechaossystematics]

Why does the DID community act as if they're the owners of Plurality?

Why do y'all get to tell others their trauma isn't valid?

Why?

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Oh, no. We're not going there. You don't get to throw all of us under the same bus while conveniently forgetting about all of the other CDDs. This is the kind of bullshit that makes someone anti-endo. You are actively contributing to that with this kind of weak, fake rhetoric. Do not act like everyone with DID is like this while refusing to address all of the other CDDs. This is bullshit.

[paw-prints-system]

Some of our other alters may disapprove of doing syscourse on the system blog but we don't care right now:

So like, genuinely, how do people claim to have alters without dissociation? Alters are dissociation.

Alters aren't actually separate people who got beamed into your brain, they're parts of a collective split apart by dissociation barriers, that's the whole reason your brain perceives itself as multiple people.

Sometimes I feel like "non disordered systems" genuinely believe their alters are like, fully separate outside entities who somehow ended up in their head, instead of..y'know..dissociated parts.

Which is ridiculous.

You can't be a system without dissociation because alters literally are dissociation. Nothing wrong with treating your alters like individuals, that's what we do, but you neeed to have a fundamental understanding of what an alter is.

(interestingly the "we're a system with no dissociation" people are often the same fucks who are against system accountability. how much do you wanna bet thats another side effect of seeing alters as detached roommates instead of dissociative parts of a collective brain) - 🪲& 🪽

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

It's still dissociation, it's just different types. CDD alters form from structural dissociation. Most nonCDD systems use other forms. Literally everyone on earth dissociates. Dissociation is a spectrum ranging from normal and non-disordered (meditation, daydreaming, highway hypnosis, etc) to maladaptive daydreaming to dissociative disorders to complex dissociative disorders.

[anti-willo-star-and-stripe]

maybe Cdds wouldn't post about hating endos in the CDD tags if yall didnt insist syscourse isnt just a topic tag but exclusively for debate and not even filtering. Yall did this to yourself tbh

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

No, you insist on doing it. Literally how hard is it to keep it to the anti tags? You have your own tags, you don’t NEED to tag syscourse or throw it into the CDD tags. That’s a choice you’re actively making. If you’re going to make stupid choices, at least have the spine to own it instead of trying to blame the people trying to find CDD experiences through the ocean of endo hate rants.

[seascourse-sidecourse]

amazing how alienating the CDD tags are if you don't viscerally hate endos. you go there to find someone to relate to and connect through shared difficulties and they're like "if you talk to me about the disorder we both have you're harassing me because you don't think endos should kill themselves" idk how to tell you that you should care for other people

[stranger-sys]

Hmm … a lot of endos seem to be proshippers … I wonder if there’s a correlation between a lack of media literacy and a lack of understanding about a complex disorder … hmmm …

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

This is … I don’t even know what to say lol. “Proship” can mean a thousand different things. I’m a polyfrag DID system that technically counts as “Proship” as in “thought crimes don’t exist, tag your shit and have fun.” That doesn’t mean I would condone the things written in real life. I used to write pretty dark shit when I was a teenager-to-early-adult. Most likely because of my repressed trauma. My brain trying to process what we couldn’t remember.

In fact I think it’s safe to say that a vast chunk of CDD systems would qualify as proship. You forget that trauma and kink can be and often is inextricably linked. Many of the more commonly known and debated kinks, such as rape, are historically attested in traditional wives who were stuck in arranged marriages. It was heavily frowned upon to do a lot of the more commonly accepted acts of today but she could fantasize it being forced on her because then it “wasn’t her fault.” Not only that, but “violent revenge rape” is a very common fantasy in people who have been sexually assaulted.

Being proship has absolutely nothing to do with media literacy or lack of understanding about ANY disorder. Those are wild lines to connect. I think it would genuinely do you some good to research the history of kink and how it can be mixed in with trauma because this take ain’t it.