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Zack Snyder Proves Once and For All That He Knows Superman Better Than You and Anyone Else

Zack Snyder is back in the superhero conversation again, and he’s proven how much he gets Superman. Everyone has an opinion on Zack Snyder’s

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we were robbed of what they could’ve been if they were given more time 💔

[amouria]

Ooh, something's not right I can feel it inside Something's not right

You would take the breath from my throat And you would take the cherished people that I hold

Invasion by Eisley

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Carrie and Turner in Gotham Knights ep 1x03  ✨

[coolwali]

A Defence of Snyder's Batman

Hello Everyone. A while back, I saw this post describing why Pattinsons' Batman was the only Batman film that understood who Batman was as a character and why Snyder's Batman failed to:

There's also the common quote from OSP that says: "if you can't picture your batman comforting a small child then you've just written the punisher in a silly hat."

I will not comment on Pattinson's Batman here but I do feel the Tumblr OP missed the point of Snyder's Batman.

Here's Jay Oliva, director of many DC Animated movies and storyboarder on BvS explaining Snyder's Batman:

Basically, while a lot of people did point out "Hey, This Batman is messed up for using guns and killing people" they missed that the point was that Batman was in the wrong here and his arc for him to realize that.

Is it not reasonable for a Batman story to ask "What if Batman started to falter and how far would he then go before he realizes he's become the monster he's supposed to be stopping"? In BvS, Batman has been banging his head against the brick wall of crime for twenty years, had his closest allies either brutally murdered or turned against him, and seen no change whatsoever. That’s enough to make any man break, even Batman. It’s right there in the script when Alfred says “That's how it starts. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel”. After so many stories of Batman basically being perfect, it's nice to have one that shows his demons in full force.

In BVS, we see a Batman that has fallen from grace and essentially become the villain he's supposed to be stopping. Alfred points this out to Bruce with his "New rules, sir?" line.

Superman's role in the story is to be that wake-up call for Batman. Throughout BvS, While Batman has been killing people and using guns, he has been rationalizing excuses. Usually justifying it as "collateral" (technically it would be 2nd degree murder since it wasn't pre-planned but still somewhat intentional). With Superman, that would be Batman's first proper 1st degree murder. Batman intends to full on kill Supes and has planned it all out. There's no excuse or justification Bruce can give. So Bruce initially dehumanizes Supes. He sees him as an alien and monster rather than a person.

That's where the Martha scene comes in. When Supes says "Save Martha". Bruce is initially even angrier, shouting "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?" because he thinks it's another trick or hallucination like the ones he's been having. It's not until Lois, a human, comes in and tells Batman it's Supes' Human mother, does Bruce finally confront the truth. We even see a flashback to the murder of the Waynes where Bruce sees himself in Joe Chill's Shoes and Clark in his. This humanizes Clark in Bruce's eyes. Making Bruce realize he was about to 1st degree murder a person.

And Bruce's belief in Supes is strengthened when Supes sacrifices himself. Bruce now fully realizes the full extent of how wrong he was and begins his journey to become more like his animated self (The whole "I failed him in death. I won't fail him in life" thing).

I think that's a good arc for Batman and one we haven't really seen too often.

Oh, and for all the OSP fans out there:

As for Superman, I might make a pt 2 defending him in more detail but the short version is that everything people commonly complain about with him (e.g, the Kents, him killing, his personality), it's all accurate to the comics Birthright and Earth 1 which are the inspiration for this Superman.

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Black Adam is a lifestyle. ⚡

[lenreli]

Talking about the DC Snyderverse with fellow enjoyers: There could be improvements, it’s not perfect, but it’s so cool and fun! Talking about the DC Snyderverse with people who have a pathetic pathological hatred of him: All of his movies are perfect and it’s specifically to fuck you in particular.