#fantis

[toxic-tropes]

Gotta love when people start outright describing themselves as pro-censorship and pro-harassment because they think that's how they're combating pro-ship as a label 🙃

[discoursecatharsis]

I've noticed this pattern with antis in fandom where, in their attempt to distance themselves from anything and everything "problematic" in their fandoms, they refuse to acknowledge when they DO enjoy something problematic. Therefore, they don't recognize the problematic elements of the ship, character, media, etc. They'll also heavily downplay or deny any problematic. aspects of their favorite fandom thing.

I just saw an example of this and it is blowing my mind right now and I need to share this with y'all.

It involves the comments on this video.

Some context for Princess and the Frog: the blonde girl is Charlotte, also called Lottie. She's the main character Tiana's best friend. Charlotte's goal was always to marry a prince, and she almost marries (who she believes to be) Prince Naveen, but once she sees that Naveen and Tiana are in love, she tries to help them turn back human so they can be together.

At the end of the movie, Tiana and Naveen get married, and this scene plays after. Charlotte dances with Naveen's kid brother, and says "I've waited this long" in response to him saying that he's 6 and a half years old.

Now Charlotte's line here, if you look at the context clues of her story line, implies that she's saying "I've waited this long for a prince to marry, so I can wait longer for Naveen's younger brother to grow up." It's just a joke. Albeit, a joke that many will find to be very uncomfortable and inappropriate, but a joke nonetheless. I highly doubt Charlotte is actually going to "wait for" this child to grow up to marry him. She's making a joke at her expense, about her desperation of her dream to marry a prince.

BUT FOR SOME REASON.... many of the comments are like "she means that she's been waiting to DANCE with a prince."

I'm completely and utterly serious y'all. Here are some of the comments along those lines, with thousands of thumbs up each.

If you've seen this movie, you'll realize that these comments make absolutely no sense for more than one reason.

1) Charlotte danced with Prince Naveen (or at least with the villain disguised as him) earlier in the movie. She danced with a prince already. Why would that still be her dream if she already accomplished that?

2) Lottie speaks multiple times (during her childhood and in present day as a young adult) about her dream of "marrying a prince." Not dancing with a prince. Not meeting one. No, she wants to MARRY A PRINCE AND BE A PRINCESS.

This video has some clips of her saying this, at the time stamps 0:20, 2:52, 4:08, and 5:21.

Charlotte does give up her dream of marrying Naveen specifically for Tiana, because she see that he makes Tiana happy. But with how she jumps in like a wide receiver to catch the bouquet at Naveen and Tiana's wedding, it's clear she still has her dream of marrying *A* prince, just not Naveen.

But back to the comments on that video.

The comments seem to be downplaying the actual implication of her line. It's almost like they're desperately trying to ignore what she actually meant and make it more wholesome because they don't want to admit that their favorite movie has an uncomfy and inappropriate joke.

It's disturbing that this is yet another example where people in fandom (who are fantis or have been influenced by that fanti mindset) are downplaying a scene (or a ship, trope, etc) that is ACTUALLY problematic because they personally like the movie or the character and they don't want to admit that it has some issues. Instead of just admitting "yeah that scene/line was kinda fucked up and gross," they are jumping through HOOPS to make it seem more innocent than it was. And this is completely blowing my mind and is honestly concerning.

If you want to personally interpret it in a different way, in a way to make it more palatable to you, be my guest. That's what fandom and fanon is all about and I do that a lot too. But to see so many people outright deny the actual implications of this line is... bizarre af. It's one thing to be like "hmm yeah I don't like that, so I'm going to personally interpret this ship/trope/scene differently so it's more comfortable to me." It's another thing entirely to be in complete denial and ignore the actual context of the character and their story.

Also, so many of the other comments on the video aren't even commenting on the actual scene or on what Charlotte said. They're just generic comments on how much they love Charlotte as a character or how they miss this 2D animation. It's like they're trying reallyyyyyy hard to ignore the joke that's being made.

On the grander scheme, this is concerning because these people are refusing to acknowledge something that's inappropriate at best and predatory at worse (an adult "waiting" for a child to grow up) because they don't want to be caught enjoying/supporting something "bad."

All their talk about normalizing and normalization, but they're the ones kinda normalizing bad things by downplaying them or being in denial of it when it's in THEIR favorite media. And that is very concerning and a big issue.

[heartshapedcreaturefromcriptoon]

Antis monopolizing "problematic show/fandom space deep dive" videos on youtube for normies, acting like they're also normies about to explain you a thing, will talk about how civil/level headed "nuanced", and "neutral" they are towards shipping culture, and talk about "anti" culture in air quotes implying antis don't even exist at all(because they're trying to just hide the fact they are one and are being completely condescending and biased) but then they'll go on to give an "example" of shipping culture that's like an official tweet or piece of artwork made by the creator or something, but they'll put like, some audio from like a jokey spongebob meme over it or whatever just to indicate how disgusted they are to even have to show you this and how you should be too... And then they'll be like "Again I don't care and have absolutely no problem with people who ship this ship/interoperate this story this way... Just MAYBE keep it to yourself, don't tell me, and don't interact in the comment section of my video I at least partially made about shipping, talking about how unbiased, uncaring, and "neutral" I am towards the fact that you ship this at all because woah, we're like, trying to Be Civil and not rock the boat here! UWU"

And then you'll look at their pinned comment in the comment section and It'll be like "PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BE CIVIL Y'ALL! UWU"

Oh, Sweetie? Who needs to Be Civil here? The people that already agree with all your takes, don't actually ship the thing, and look down on the people who do while you 'heart' all their comments but you'll delete mine in a heartbeat if I tried?

And then everyone in their comment section will be like: What a civil, leveled headed, nuanced take that nobody who actually likes the thing in the way you don't will ever be allowed to share theIr thoughts on or interact with even though they're already big part of the fandom what had to be discussed to make the video, good job girl! :D

And the video itself is like, two hours long...

And it's being made by vivziepop fans who already "ironically" hate themselves for "enjoying" vivziepop... Just like how they "ironically" hate themselves for "enjoying" Yana Toboso...

Because who else but some filthy, self loathing vivziepop fantis would stand there with an oversized mic with some vivziepop stickers on it to make hours long "Deep Dives" into The Problématique World of Yana Toboso?

... I think phrases like "they hate all of us" can and should be lightly applied to some queer fandumb spaces as well, actually...It's all fictional depictions of BDSM that give you Scene Ideas irl like if you're Nasty Enough, it wouldn't hurt anyone....lol.

MINORS DNI, OF COURSE!

[youlackconviction]

Why did most of the Marvel fandom just decide that the word to describe Loki is "greasy"? Where did that even come from and why did it stick?

you know what anon? a lot of what "the marvel fandom" does is totally inexplicable to me. self-professed LOKI fans will post remarks indistinguishable from those made by LOKI antis. the whole "i love LOKI but- " crowd. #fantis

and something that i often notice is that with LOKI's detractors: the hateful remarks aren't confined to criticism or condemnation of LOKI's actions. they get really nastily personal about his appearance. as if having a certain build or a certain hairstyle predisposes one towards a specific subset of behaviours.

feels deeply unnecessary, and makes me wonder how they talk about people in their lives who they don't approve of.

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

It’s surreal how the Amphibia fandom went from praising Matt and the crew to throwing the entire crew under the bus because some Twitter fuckhead hunted down various pieces of NSFW art that was posted on private accounts.

And you just know someone is gonna try to pull this shit with The Owl House crew, because fuck forbid freelance artists who work on children’s shows draw smut on their locked private accounts. 

So goddamn sick and tired of seeing every fandom turn into the same toxic puritanical echo chamber. 

[degenderates]

Fanfiction is becoming more mainstream. I love studying it academically and I want to teach fan studies. However with that mainstream-ness comes the pushing aside of a lot of "problematic" tropes and ships that have made fandom what it is, in order to sanitize fandom and queerness to a cishet and gay-not-queer outside world. It's unfair to the darkfic and kink writers who have built fandom spaces like the Ao3. It makes me upset, being surrounded by new fandom's purity culture. But there's not much as an individual I can do. I just hope that it doesn't get worse.

[aronarchy]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything more obviously performative and also sad.

[neverendingcomplaints]

I’m just

so done with fandom. 

I remember when I used to roll my eyes at everyone squeeing all the time, acting like fandom was some sweet cinnamon roll paradise of rainbows and kittens. It wasn’t. I knew it then and I know it now. 

I can’t believe these purity wankers and fantis are almost making me MISS that.