"this is a prime example of endos invading CDD communities!"
>looks inside
>pro endo traumagenic system with CDD doing something

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"this is a prime example of endos invading CDD communities!"
>looks inside
>pro endo traumagenic system with CDD doing something
what is your opinion on the whole anti/pro endogenic systems discourse?
I think being anti endo is incompatible with anti psych politics as the opposition to endogenic plurality is based in the belief that people who claim to be experiencing plurality in ways not currently validated and understood by psychiatry are inherently invalid and wrong, whereas I fundamentally don't think psychiatry should get to dictate how people define their atypical experiences nor the validity of them.
I’ll be honest. I do believe that some form of “ plurality “ outside of CDDs and medical context exists. I really do. My issue with endogenics and nondisordered systems is the fact that they present almost identically to that of CDDs despite their claims to not have the disorder and that their experiences are different.
If you claim to be so different, why demand our spaces? Why use the same medical terminology that is used to refer to CDDs and trauma survivors?
If you claim to be so different, why do you cry ableism and “sysmed” when you spread blatant misinformation on a serious medical disorder?
If plurality exists outside of a medical frame, then it would not present in the way that disordered plurality does. It never will. After all, Why would Something non medical present in a medical manner?
Not to mention the concept of nondisordered plurality in the way it presents was rooted with the intent of mocking CDDs and creating a movement that was attempting to test the legitimacy of CDDs as a disability and trying to take it off of the DSM; but that’s for another time.
I am open to RESPECTFUL discussion on either side. Harassment towards me or other people interacting with this blog will result in a block, regardless if anti or not.
endos/willos are ableist by the way!! you are ableist by supporting a hate group that came from wanting to discredit and silence trauma victims take this blog down if you cant really be against ableism!!!
Breaking this down
1. Nowhere on my blog do I go into any syscourse, this is a blog for people who experience ableism, it isn't for syscourse, I'm getting this out of the way because any other asks about syscourse will be deleted.
2. Do you have any proof for you "wanting to discredit and silence trauma victims" claim? As far as I'm aware, from interactions with endogenic and willogenic systems, I've not seen them try to claim trauma victims "aren't plural", I also have never seen an endogenic or willogenic system claim a higher standing over victims of trauma. - I am saying this as someone who is dissociative (however no alters as far as I'm aware) and has trauma.
3. I'm not taking this blog down because of syscourse, there are many non plural disabled people, they should have a place to speak, you yourself are quite literally trying to silence people if you think I should take this blog down for something that wasn't an issue until you brought it up.
Keep syscourse off this blog, to claim some whole groups are ableist can be a dangerous oversimplification of views. You can send in specific asks relating to experiencing ableism from a particular endogenic or willogenic system, but to make the generalization because of that experience that all of them are ableist, that can do more harm than good. - Also, as a non-system (again, I do not recognize any alters within myself), I don't have the priority over conversations of syscourse, so I feel I cannot accept absolute claims in regards to syscourse.
There definitely like Are systems who thought they were endogenic but realized they were traumagenic but the anti-endo rhetoric of "even if you think you're not traumatized you must actually be secretly traumatized and just repressed it otherwise you're an ableist and a faker and an attention seeker" is uh, Profoundly Fucked Up, Actually
Going up to strangers who say they experience multiple people living in their head and saying "actually you must have some horrific mind-shattering trauma you don't remember" is, well, I just don't think it's very good for them, best case scenario is they're truly endogenic and know better than to believe some random asshole online, worst case scenario is they go digging and unearth trauma they were not ready to process and have a mental health crisis, all just so randos online can deem them "uwu valid"
Hope you know, you’re a piece of shit. Endo systems come from the belief you can have DID or OSDD without trauma, but both disorders are traumagenic based disorders that cannot develop without trauma to splti the system in the first place. You’re a hypocritical piece of shit who it the whole reason systems are not taken seriously, fuck you and your system, do better.
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queer is not a slur. it was a slur once, but the queer community reclaimed it and it's pretty much not one anymore. you're doing more harm to the community by saying it's still one and that if you wasn't called it you can't use it. this logic also assumes every single queer person is in an English speaking country which is just false.
plural people can absolutely be queer and, as a queer person and a plural one, i welcome them with open arms. if they don't want to call themselves queer, that's amazing! that doesn't mean plurality as a whole can't be queer. just like how some gay and lesbian people don't call themselves queer, but gay and lesbian are still a queer identity.
queer is way more than just orientation and gender. a cishet person can be queer (aspec, like asexual, or much more) (also it doesn't mean not queer, the word you're looking for is non-queer). intersex people are welcomed to identify as queer.
I just got blocked without warning because a person got sick of their own sources proving them wrong that DID/OSDD/P-DID, etc are trauma-based. Like, it got sad and to the point where they admitted that they only briefly skimmed their sources before spamming me with them.
This person claimed to be "anti-sysmed," but literally was spouting sysmed rhetoric about how trauma is a requirement for DID.
So uh, newsflash: a disorder cannot be "trauma-based" if trauma is not a hard requirement to be diagnosed with the disorder. DID/OSDD/P-DID, etc are dissociative disorders, not trauma disorders. The DSM-V makes that clear:
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Dissociative disorders are characterized by a disruption of and/or discontinuity in the normal integration of consciousness, memory, identity, emotion, perception, body representation, motor control, and behavior. Dissociative symptoms can potentially disrupt every area of psychological functioning. This chapter includes dissociative identity disorder, dissociative amnesia, depersonalization/derealization disorder, other specified dissociative disorder, and unspecified dissociative disorder.
Dissociative symptoms are experienced as a) unbidden intrusions into awareness and behavior, with accompanying losses of continuity in subjective experience (i.e., “positive” dissociative symptoms such as fragmentation of identity, depersonalization, and derealization) and/or b) inability to access information or to control mental functions that normally are readily amenable to access or control (i.e., “negative” dissociative symptoms such as amnesia).
The dissociative disorders are frequently found in the aftermath of trauma, and many of the symptoms, including embarrassment and confusion about the symptoms or a desire to hide them, are influenced by the proximity to trauma. In DSM-5, the dissociative disorders are placed next to, but are not part of, the trauma- and stressor-related disorders, reflecting the close relationship between these diagnostic classes. Both acute stress disorder and posttraumatic stress disorder contain dissociative symptoms, such as amnesia, flashbacks, numbing, and depersonalization/derealization.
END IMAGE TEXT.] This is on page 292, by the way. Yes, these disorders are often caused by trauma, nobody is debating that, but it is not the sole cause. The sources this user shared describes the disorders as "often caused by" or "trauma-related," etc, which are not the same as stating these disorders must have trauma to be present. Anyway, it was just kind of funny just so easily debunking every single point with their own sources until they got sick of it and blocked me.
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