#cw syscourse

[this-is-neuropsych-ableism]

Most* lifelong singlets will never know what it's like to be literally told you are not real. Not just "oh this aspect of you isn't real" but a literal "You are not real. You do not exist and you never will."

Most lifelong singlets do not know the suffering that comes from people saying "I think you're [this other person] instead."

And this is not me saying that people denying *parts* of singlets (your disability, race, sex, gender identity, orientation, etc) isn't traumatic and horrible. It is. You don't deserve to have ANY part of you denied.

But to have someone genuinely think you are nothing. Genuinely, unironically think you *entirely* don't exist. That you are merely roleplay or imagination. That there is only one person in the body, and that it's *not you.*

That is something lifelong singlets usually do not experience.

I don't get how plurals can do that to other plurals. I don't get how you can say "Actually you don't exist. You are literally fake" when that's exactly how singlets treat you. And I don't understand how you can call that "discourse" instead of what it actually is - cruelty beyond measures. Erasure beyond measures.

I will not and cannot EVER be around someone who simply humors me as a "concept" or a "game" rather than an actual fucking existing being. Never.

-Marco (she/he), a headmate in a endotrauma system with diagnosed DID.

*There is massive solidarity to be found with singlet schizospecs who are being abusively told "you aren't real!" as an attempt to trigger derealization hallucinations. Same for singlets who are accused of being bots or faking their identity/sockpuppeting online.

[prayingmaggots]

“dni endogenic ‘systems’ (most of you are toxic anyways)”

can you show me. can you show me examples of most of the endo community being toxic. what exactly do we do that makes “most of us” toxic?

and what’s so.. nontoxic, about denying people’s lived experiences? what’s so nontoxic about making someone’s identity a debate point? what’s so nontoxic about treating endo systems like theyre less than, because you dont like them? what’s so nontoxic about using science to determine if someone’s identity is valid? what’s so nontoxic about tags like “endos die,” “endos aren’t real,” “endos are ableist,” “endos are an invasive species”

“(pro) endos are the toxic ones!!” meanwhile you guys are telling people to kill themselves and saying they aren’t real

[petrichorbugs]

!! OP is a mixed origins OSDD (questioning did) system and invalidating our existence in any way is ableism !!

I hate the “anti-willo-character” blogs. Because multiple times I have seen a blog with one of OUR fictives as the character. The worst part is that I can’t just “block and move on”, It’s more like I block and then stay very angry and close to crying for the next few hours.

I actually saw a DNI banner with my source on it. Me, basically. And of course it had “(pro)endos dni” on it. Again, I can’t just move on after blocking. It makes me scared. I wouldn’t say that. I’m not hateful like that.

I also hate the “endo ‘systems’ DNI” thing. You have to put my existence in quotations, instead of just… not? On a DNI banner that generally has nothing to do with the topic of the post? Nice job asshole you sent me into another paranoia episode. Hope you’re proud. Actually I hope you have a terrible day if you purposefully crosstag to upset people. Remember, “plural” was coined to be inclusive of all systems. Knock it off.

I also hate the “endogenic systems aren’t claiming to have a CDD!!” Yes I am. Because I do? Same with the “endos don’t have trauma!!” Do you seriously believe every single endogenic system has gone their entire life without any trauma?????

I’ve even seen “endo systems dni even if you’re disordered” and it’s like Oh. That’s just actual ableism. Being anti-endo is already shitty and ableist on its own but like. That’s just explicitly ableism.

I love endogenic systems, I love willogenic systems, I love mixed-origins systems. I love traumagenic non-disordered systems. I love non-disordered systems. I love disordered endogenic systems who are tired of being treated like this. I often fakeclaim myself, and then the guys in my brain yell at me for worrying all the time /silly. I love you all <3 (edit: realized this part could be uncomfortable so just replace that with “i care about you” or. whatever you want)

[veescore]

"non-disordered plurals NEED to find a new term, 'endogenic' has such a bad meaning and when i say 'ENDOS DNI' i mean those faking plurality. coming from a traumagenic system btw"

bro. my guy. dude. do you hear yourself? "plural" "endogenic" "traumagenic"????? why tf do you think those terms were created??? and who made them have bad connotations???

[anti-willo-mark-grayson]

I want to be able to go into disordered tags and spaces without worrying about interacting with people who aren’t even fucking disordered posting about how much they relate to me.

I cannot exist without my symptoms being romanticized. I’m so tired of it man.

[radqueer-bro]

“as an ACTUAL system—“

oh blah blah blah, hi, AS AN ACTUAL SYSTEM AS WELL, WHO CARES ABOUT NON-DISORDERED SYSTEMS? not to mention the studies proving endos exist??? either way, who cares, as a system who’s traumawillo, AND disordered, who cares? you should be more focused on simply making sure uneducated folk understand the basics of a system. you shouldn’t be focused on people’s individual experiences.

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[boxedapartment]

Maybe this is a hot take, but I don’t think you should be engaging in syscourse and the like when you don’t know the basics of DID/OSDD/etc.

If you have to ask someone what ANPs and EPs are, you should not be speaking on alter formation.

[anti-willo-sprout]

I’ll be honest. I do believe that some form of “ plurality “ outside of CDDs and medical context exists. I really do. My issue with endogenics and nondisordered systems is the fact that they present almost identically to that of CDDs despite their claims to not have the disorder and that their experiences are different.

If you claim to be so different, why demand our spaces? Why use the same medical terminology that is used to refer to CDDs and trauma survivors?

If you claim to be so different, why do you cry ableism and “sysmed” when you spread blatant misinformation on a serious medical disorder?

If plurality exists outside of a medical frame, then it would not present in the way that disordered plurality does. It never will. After all, Why would Something non medical present in a medical manner?

Not to mention the concept of nondisordered plurality in the way it presents was rooted with the intent of mocking CDDs and creating a movement that was attempting to test the legitimacy of CDDs as a disability and trying to take it off of the DSM; but that’s for another time.

I am open to RESPECTFUL discussion on either side. Harassment towards me or other people interacting with this blog will result in a block, regardless if anti or not.