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Okay, so, I see endos all the time defending their systems by saying it's "beneficial" or "good for them", and I think... How? How is it good for you? Cause it's a trauma disorder. You saying your "non-disordered system" is good for you is like saying your "non-trauma based stress disorder" is good for you. And what good is stress? Like, what's next? You guys sound EXACTLY like the people who are like "vaccines cause autism!!!" with all those fuckass system origins too. What the fuck do you mean your system was caused by William Afton? He's not even real. Did you play FNaF at five and get jumpscared into a coma? Like, christ. You people scare me. Anyways, aside from that, I just don't understand endos. DID has been, and will always be, a trauma based disorder. You're not gonna change that by pretending you're a system. Also, if you come into my blog being a little bitch, I WILL find out information about you and tell one of the adults in your life. Don't even play with me.

Also, dissociation is a trauma response in itself. Even not having a CDD, dissociation is a trauma response. You can't dissociate without being in extreme pain, under extreme stress, or a traumatic situation. Yeah, lots of people have different emotional tolerance, so some people dissociate from smaller things. Still, dissociation is an exact response to TRAUMA AND STRESS.

To be a system is to dissociate, and you literally can't dissociate without trauma. So, endos are not valid. And I swear to GOD, if anyone is in my comments going "well, I am under extreme stress/in extreme pain all the time and I'm an endogenic system!!!" I'm going to crash out because for the LOVE OF GOD, you are traumagenic if you ACTUALLY DISSOCIATE. Dissociation is a TRAUMA RESPONSE. You are most likely TRAUMAGENIC AND UNABLE TO REMEMBER THE TRAUMA. Because that's LITERALLY THE POINT OF DID. TO NOT REMEMBER THE TRAUMA.

Anyways. Sorry. Needed to talk about this. Syscourse in the comments is okay, just be respectful please.

- Zae , Toji

syscord did serious damage to my perceival of things, discussions, and people's lives/identities. it forced me into condenscendingly correcting and brutally "educating" people who weren't aware of every little thing. it made me a much more abrasive and cold individual on the basis that i should always be correcting everyone on everything at all times and enforcing the same one-size-fits-all mold of "morality" onto them. it made me angry, aggressive, frustrated, isolated, scared, and it was absolutely not worth it.

with this post, i hope to help other people realize how a lot of syscord spaces manage to radicalize people into being aggressive, extremely demeaning and bitter people, by default. this doesn't apply to every system-based discord server, but the big ones where you get dogpiled and then shittalked for anything wrong you do — instead of, you know, being properly talked to like you're a person

it is a terrible place to be in for anyone, let alone people struggling with their mental health. do not force yourselves to stay in syscords for templates or decor, its genuinely not worth it. extremely harsh environment; namely the syscords where its filled with exclusionist 15 year olds who constantly pick at everything and anything to make you problematic. do not stay in these spaces, its not worth it. i promise you there are many resource servers where you won't feel like you're in a killing game with five hundred people at your neck

not gonna lie but i don't think singlets (non-systems and otherwise not plural) shouldn't really involve themselves in system specific discourse

no, i don't care if they're "knowledged" in it (which side note: having an interest in psychology and/or theology gives you any right to speak over others or get to invalidate them to whatever preconceived notions)

"oh the topic interests me!" it's still not your place to speak for or over.

ik system discourse or whatever related stuff is prowls thing but someone has to say something.

i like being a traumagenic system that is pro-endo. it pisses people off severely. the willos and endos are my friends and they are forever more accepting of me than any sysmedicalists have ever been. i do not want to be a ‘real’ system on a technicality. endogenics i will stand by you until the day i die

#pro endo #syscourse #system discussion #system discourse #pro endogenic #pro willo #pro willogenic

I think system aid creators shouldn't be harassed.

With Simply Plural shutting down, everyone is scrambling for an alternative.

Simply Plural? The creator is selfish.

Octocon? The creators are problematic pedophile supporters, and also they hate endos.

Ampersand? The stress is getting to them, and they're "ableist against polyfrag systems."

System Connect? It's a replit site, and AI is bad.

Let's start with this: Harassment solves nothing.

Do I think the Simply Plural situation is shady? Do I think the creator is being selfish and unreliable about the source code? Do I think the creator should just hand over the project, rather than delete it entirely? Do I think it's all a money grab?

Sure.

Am I harassing Amaryllis about it? No.

Do I think you should Support Octocon? No, BUT I understand it's the best alternative at the moment for many systems.

Ampersand may shut down due to high influx, unwarranted allegations, and stress. A small HOBBY has now become a desperate scramble to improve or die trying. The creators made a small, offline application not meant for large systems, especially not large systems that were imported all at once. It's crashing, not because they "didn't account for polyfragmented systems," and are ableist, but because it was never meant to make it off the ground.

System Connect is a website created to track systems, and use its extensive UI to make the most inclusive system site experience they could. Likely by a system not too different from the rest, that wanted bits from all their apps in one place, and didn't know how to code, or have the money or time to hire or learn.

And dozens of other apps, sites, and other alternatives systems are scrambling to may not last forever.

So sure, run to Microsoft word, which was all but obliterated by Google Docs. Run to Google Docs, which uses and constantly implements AI that you can't get rid of. Run to Discord bots, which are receiving such high numbers now, they may collapse from the pressure as well.

If you spend all of your time running, and trampling the imperfect, you'll never be able to breathe.

#hot take #controversies #dime for your thoughts #Simply Plural #syscourse #system discussion #Octocon #Ampersand #System Connect

From what I know, Bucky is OSDD-2 (identity disturbance/fragmentation caused by long-term torture or brainwashing, but usually past the age where that would form actual alters), not DID. I know that’s slightly debatable and the lines can be blurry.

This also isn’t saying that he wouldn’t necessarily be plural. Plurality is an inherently inclusive term and an opt-in label that’s just defined as being “more than one” in some way. While I haven’t met many people with OSDD-2 (due to its nature most people with it probably don’t want to talk about it freely on the internet) I’ve met a nonzero number who identify with plurality, consider their identity disturbance to be a plural experience, and seek advice within spaces about being more than one. It’s just that not everyone with it does that.

Anyway, I think he’s more OSDD-2. But people are okay to have their own opinions.

I'd probably agree with this myself, to be honest.

Another thing is, if you don't mind me adding my own perspective, I also don't personally like the interpretation of Bucky as plural from an ethical point of view.

I'm not convinced the Winter Soldier is actually self-conscious as its own separate. If we look at the MCU, the killing machine Bucky is turned into in Civil War (because I'm not familiar with the comics) from the triggers doesn't seem very conscious. It is driven by ingrained instincts.

If we assumed this was a headmate though, there would be a lot of unpleasant implications that would come with that.

If the Winter Soldier state was a true headmate, it could be reasoned with. It could be brought to the side of good. It might take a while, but it could be done. But instead, they simply remove the triggers, thus effectively "killing" the Winter Soldier, or at least permanently suppressing it.

Plural interpretations just leave a lot of yucky implications that bring to mind systems locking away persecutors or trying to dissipate tulpas.

For my own peace of mind, I would just rather think of the Winter Soldier as a non-sentient dissociative state than a true headmate.