Celedriel disastrous First Date (TBBMS AU)
Actually, disaster may be understatement. This is more like an high-speed train-wreck. Horrible, terrible, almost (becouse they will gonna marry in the end) irrecoverable disaster. Like, not only the train is gonna have a hard crash (this excerpt), it will also fall over a cliff (the rest of the fic). But I decided to cut off the cliff part from this post becouse it talks about more sensitive topics like racism (uh, specism thechnically? Still, very very very bad discrimination and cultural suprematism) and religious tensions and potentially triggering practices like sacrificies (elven ones too) and cannibalism. So, uhm, just the lighter and funny stuff in this post.
But before we start I think it's important for the reader to know a bit of context for the AU. As I and @mircallaruthven talked under this post, the date bad outcome is due mainly to their cultural and species-specific biological differences.
Cultural becouse they grew up in two completely different environments, both in the natural and in the social sense.
Aman is a Paradise where the climate is temperate, the trees are always green and fruitful, and the animals are docile and won't attack you even when you attack them. The Elves born there have never seen a supercell or a tsunami, have never known hunger or cold, and have certainly never died because a wild boar or deer charged and impaled them, or because a saberthoot tiger or crocodile tried to eat them. And they certainly have no idea what death of old age is, since Elves don't age.
The Helcaraxë was a particularly strong trauma for all those who crossed it, not only because the survival conditions were horrible but also because they had never known cold and hunger before, and therefore they did not know what to expect or how to prepare until they found themselves in the middle of the ice with no possibility of return (I would like to point out that they HAD the possibility of return but they refused it out of pride, even if I can break the lance against them since they had no idea how stupid a decision it was). Furthermore, it is evident that one must take into consideration that A) Fingolfin's group did NOT actually condemn Fëanor's group for the Kinslaying and/or were hypocrites because they were quite willing to use the stolen boats stained with (probably literal) Falmari's still fresh blood and that their sense of betrayal/injustice comes from the fact that Fëanor's group abandoned them on the ice and not from any moral position that opposed the massacre that had just occurred (which will then come back to bite the Sons of Finarfin in the ass once Doriath finds out that they lied to them and hid the aforementioned massacre) and B) that the experience did not change their rigid hierarchical setting of society through the awareness that in the face of death and adversity everyone is equal regardless of birth conditions, because once they arrived in Belerian and started building kingdoms on the former Sindar/Orcish territories (which btw from a realistic historiographical point of view is the exact reason why the Orcs are always so "violent and aggressive" because the impossibility of settling permanently in a territory with sufficient resources for self-sufficient agriculture and pastoralism forces them to resort to raids and attacks on other peoples' villages to survive), these kingdoms and chains of command remain strictly feudal (Nargothrond, Gondolin).
So yeah, the single experience of the Helcaraxë did little to change the Noldor culturally, socially, or morally.
Furthermore, Noldor society is known for being patriarchal, patrilineal, and with varying degrees of misogyny. Now, this could be solved by saying "Tolkien was a man of his time and his writing reflects it," but I find that a rather lazy solution, so I found myself reconstructing a historical model. Now, patriarchy is (unfortunately) the social structure of the majority of human societies around the world and throughout history, but what is its cause? Well, first of all we must know that it's a process of transformation that develops slowly and parallels sedentaryization. Humans are animals born nomads, but around 12,000 years ago (very recent in the overall history of our species) we began to realize that caring for the animals and plants we would later feed on seemed more convenient than gathering or hunting, because it ensured a more stable food supply (in reality, it wasn't, as we discovered in subsequent centuries through famines, floods, food or plant diseases, etc., but at the time it seemed so). It was a gradual transition, which added a specialization of craftsmanship and thus the formation of distinct professions and more defined social classes. At the same time, living in close contact with so many other humans and domestic animals increased the frequency of epidemics (accelerated by poor hygiene, for example considering that the stable and the house were often in fact the same room because the animals' breathing helped keep warm at night), the unbalanced diet caused by monocultures, and the decline in the use of meat caused foodborne diseases such as pellagra and scurvy. Work in the fields required a large number of laborers, and therefore more children were born and the population increased, but the increase in population meant an increase in the amount of work in the fields, and so on in a vicious circle. But the high infant mortality that these new living conditions caused (in the Middle Ages, it peaked with 6 out of 10 children dying before their first birthday) meant that the number of pregnancies had to increase to ensure enough children survived to maintain and hopefully to increase the population. This meant that women (especially those from the lower classes) were constantly pregnant until they could, that is, before menopause (hence the horrific phenomenon in several societies of girls being married off after their first period), which also increased the risk of death in childbirth. But a pregnant woman could neither work in the fields nor hunt, so they made themselves useful to the community with more "physically calm" activities such as weaving, spinning, basketry, and cooking. This gave rise to gender roles, with women "destined" to care for the home and children, and men "destined" to perform heavy physical labor (and apparently to die young and atrociously in war).
But as already mentioned, this is a phenomenon that occurs slowly, through various generational changes, until after a century or two no one even remembers what life was like before. It may work for humans (who in Tolkien's world also seem to be "civilized" by the Elves, and thus absorb the patriarchal architecture of their societies from the Noldor), but not for the Elves themselves. Since they don't die of old age, the Elves can't have a generational changeover, nor can they forget what it was like "before" because theoretically, the people they can ask are always physically available. BUT the Noldor canonically DID have a HUUUUGE cultural transition, which is the arrival in Aman and the encounter with the Valr, and consequently the transition from a semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer society to a sedentary, hyper-specialized artisanal society. Furthermore, it's implied that the Noldor experienced enormous population growth over the millennia in Aman (AT LEAST four generations, which is a LOT even if you factor in quadratic exponential growth, let alone couples having more than two children each!), meaning it's likely that the "survivors" from the days of Beleriand have become a rather small minority. Thus, it's not uncommon for "young" Noldor in Aman to have become culturally "distinct" from their grandparents, especially if said grandparents avoided talking about the "horrors" of Beleriand due to trauma (also because how do you explain to your child "well you know, technically you had an uncle, but he was mauled alive by wolves when he was 150, ah the old days am I right" to someone for whom death doesn't even exist as a concept, let alone that kind of violent death?). This might explain why Feänor in his speech referred to Beleriand as this sort of "Lost Land of the Fathers" and not, y'know, A PLACE YOUR ANCESTORS MIGRATED IN MASS TO LEAVE.
This separation of gender roles may have been a similarly "natural" and involuntary process. Tata and Tatyë ruled the Second Clan together, and Finwë and Míriel (and Indis, a poly trio for the win, but she wasn't interested in politics) were supposed to rule together as their successors. But then Míriel died (in childbirth of all things, an involuntary callback to the human condition), and so Finwë found himself ruling alone, a condition that became increasingly burdensome in terms of time and personal relationships because a sedentary society is a bureaucratic anti-society, and bureaucracy is notoriously a pain in the ass that sucks the soul from your body and the time from your life. This also forced him to separate himself from the people to rule his people from above instead of from among, the way he probably did when they were hunter-gatherers and for which he was probably chosen and separated (and by the way, these are two types of government that require two completely different types of skillsets, which is why Finwë in Aman sucked at his job. RIP King, you did the best you could with what you had). Indis, on the other hand, was "forced" to focus all her attention on taking care of her large family and coordinating the work in the family home (which, being nobles, must have been gigantic), jobs that are in turn extremely exhausting and drain you of all your energy and time. And since they were the two rulers, their people looked to them as models, and from here was born the idea of the man as "leader and worker" and the woman as "home and family." And so BOOM BABY! Accidental gender roles!
Beleriand on the other hand up until the First Sunsrise was what I like to call "Australia-level of venomous and/or poisonus horror movie monster shit that costantly tries to kill you out of spite, but with the the climates of Scandinavian countries and Pleistocenean ice Age megafauna". (here is my version of Pre-Sun Beleriand, although it's not necessary to know it for the context of this specific fic. However there is a side reference to the Cataclysm, meaning the ecological event of mass extinction/complete subversion of the continent's morphology that the First Sunrise caused in a world that was essentially born and adapted to perennial darkness and cold). The Elves of Beleriand are therefore much more aware of being animals capable of death, since they are not at the top of the food chain but somewhere in the middle-to-high range, while not of old age, of many violent and painful ways. They are also consequently more familiar with reincarnation and the aladil, since those who leave Mandos go to Alqualonde for an indefinite time to say hello to your relatives who have left for Aman during the Great March, and then take a boat (or make a long swim across the ocean with various stops at the scattered islands along the water, since the Lindar are amphibious) and return to their community in Beleriand. Their societies are therefore extremely gender-egalitarian and non-ableist: every physically available adult is necessarily employed in hunting, and those who are crippled in the accidents that inevitably occur in such dangerous situations take care of the children and other activities essential to any society such as the artisanal production of fabrics, wooden and bone tools (metal-working is a craft specialized by the dwarves and the orcs and obtained through trade), basketry, herbalism, etc.
On a more personal note, despite both being royal wards, their family situations are also extremely different. Artanis is the youngest daughter of the youngest son in a patriarchal and patrilineal society, as well as the youngest of the third generation of Finweans in general, in a family where kinship was actually very tense. Celeborn, on the other hand, is the eldest son of the eldest son of the Warrior King (Thingol and Elmo ruled together in a Diarchy, before Elmo died during the Cataclysm), in a blood family (note: emotional relationships extend beyond blood ones) that is relatively small by Lindarin standards but very loving and united, and marked by many losses even before he was born, including that of his mother when he was a boy and Galathil a child. Artanis is the youngest of the house and therefore rather spoiled (by her father and her brothers alike), a model student who has always fought to be recognized as equal to the men of her society despite her achievements surpassing many of theirs, while Celeborn is already more accustomed to responsibility being the eldest, and because Nimloth is already an adult here and he helped his brother and Brethil (his sister-in-law) raise her, as well as being a priest (Doriath is a theocracy, Melian is both their Queen and their Patron Goddess) and a general and a teacher for the warriors in training. So they have a REALLY different relationship with power, and an even bigger one with the privileges and with the responsabilties toward your community that it entails.
Biological becouse in my AU Elvish Kindreds are actually different species with consequently radical differences that shapes how they view and live in the world (yes I'm working at that bilogy megapost too, very slowly but I'm doing it I swear). The most visceral and fundamental one is that Noldor are omnivores and Lindar are carnivores, and that shapes their relationship with violence, resources, bodies as biological organisms ("my body is a sensation/temptation/low animalistic instincts and indulging too much with it weakens my spirit" vs "my body and my spirit are two connected and inseparable parts and are equally important and what brings joy to one also brings joy to the other") and the food chain as a concept, which in turn brings two different spiritual and philosopical relationship with the concepts of life and death, religion (transcendent theism vs pantheism), and the role of the elves in the universe (anthropocentrism vs ecocentrism/animism). This obviosly reconnects with the cultural difference part.
Another immediate consequence of that is that Noldor and Lindar are physically distinctive (here an unfinished sketch of Noldor/Lindar heads' view from the side).
Noldor are almost perfectly human-like, but with pointy hears and with greater bone and muscle density than humans, which makes them both stronger and more resistant than humans but also slightly slower and less agile than us. Like us, for them body language does most of the work in communication between individuals, but it occurs at an unconscious level. Indications of an individual's mood are primarily facial microexpressions and tone of voice, since the Noldor, like humans, have "weak" hearing and smell, and a weakened and unconscious chemoreceptive ability.
Lindar have gray skin and very different proportions than humans, with their legs 5/9 of their height instead of 1/2. Their eyes are also larger than human’s: an adult Linda has the eye-face proportions of an eight-year-old human child. Their sclerae are black to reduce light reflection and make it more difficult for prey to figure out exactly where they are looking, with a circular pupil that can shrink to a minimum diameter of 2.5 mm (roughly the size of a pinhead) and dilate to a maximum diameter of 3cm, almost swallowing the iris. The irises themselves are of a characteristic "electric blue" due to their bioluminescence, whose brightness variations are useful for distance non-verbal communication with other individuals. Their ears are distinguished, other than that pointy shape that is typically associated with elves, by being very large and movable to better capture sounds and pressure changes. They are about four times longer than human ones, reaching between 20/25 cm in an adult individual. They also move in response to emotions. Their jaws are actually no larger than that of a Noldo/human, but they have a bigger *mouth*. as they have "furrows" (labial folds) that extend far over the human-like lips, reaching almost to the junction point between the maxilla and the mandible. Being carnivores, their teeth are all sharps and that's why they don't "smile" when happy (they curve the end points of their lips at best) becouse that kind of expression would actually read as a threath. Lindar have very few microexpressions compared to the other humanoid species and they communicate emotions mainly with chemioreception, ears, irises brightness and general body posture.
This makes non-verbal communication between Noldor (and the rest of the humanoid species) and Lindar extremely difficult, especially when counting the sclerae as black instead of white (as it's speculated that humans evolved white sclerae specifically to communicate faster and more easily between each other). This is why following Celeborn POV his descriptions of Artanis facial expression are so detailed, becouse he's trying to match them with his own body language's equivalent and file them for future references :)
Also, since Thingol is canonically 2.74m/9ft I decided to make the Lindar the tallest of the Kindreds (though he's still a statistical outliner lmao). For the Noldor the average male height is 1.80m while female average is 1.70m, as opposed as the Vanyar whose male average is 1.80m and female average is 2.00m. Lindar have the same average height for both males and females ad it's 2.30m. Artanis/Galadriel and Celeborn are both VERY taller than their respective average: she's 1.93m/6.33ft, while he's 2.46m/8.07ft.
Last but not least, you may notice that in the fic I refer to a broader set of terms than "Noldor" and "Teleri/Sindar":
The Noldor are also called West Tatyar or Fire Elves.
The term "Teleri" is an exonym given by the Noldor to the Lindar and is considered a slur, because it literally means "latecomers" and has often been used with connotations of "low intelligence," "barbarism/primitive culture," and general backwardness compared to the Noldor. The Lindar, on the other hand, call themselves Lindar (The Singers), Nelyar, Water Elves or Second Clan.
The terms North Tatyar and Stone Elves refer to the Orcs, who in this AU are specifically related to the Noldor (not that the Noldor know this, because they never bothered to ask) and before the Cataclysm were perfectly integrated into the trade and diplomatic network of the rest of Beleriend. Celeborn refers to them internally several times because he has occasionally had personal contact with them in the past, both in diplomatic and military situations.
The general terms Tatyar, Earth Elves and Third Clan refer to both the Noldor and the Orcs :)
Anyway sorry for the very long introduction, here the actual fic:
⚠️CW: graphyc depiction of violence (against an eel) , blood, animal death, swearing













