and what a lovely time, that it would surely be

I know your inbox is waay filled up, but I just had to send these in

theassholeantiarchive2-0

grumpy-old-fandommom

queenofthecommunistcannibals

also aren’t antis always complaining about gay men being sexualized, but apparently men … can’t be sexualized? which one is it?

Welp.

armada-of-ships-against-antis

It’s as if gay men are totally not men…. one can be grossly sexualized even by other gay men (yeah wild thought here) and the other can’t be sexualized at all…

Also a whole country of pedophilia?

what a world we live in.

qsolidarity

everyone who keeps reblogging those posts about how kinks are just excuses for men to get off to hurting women: y'all are aware that’s radfem rhetoric????

like you don’t have to like kinks but the idea that men are universally abusers and women are deluding themselves into thinking they enjoy it when they’re actually just being abused is straight up ~kink-critical~ radfem stuff and it’s not new. and like I’m seeing a lot of that exact shit on my dash and honestly it needs to stop bc this is exactly how they recruit and I’m done with it

cat-boy-tits

This is how they get you!

Like on the surface, it sounds legit, it ticks all the good feminism boxes. Women are being hurt! By men! Patriarchy!

But if you really look at it, it’s saying that grown ass women can’t make decisions about their own sex lives. Grown ass women need to be protected from themselves because they are too gullible to understand that they don’t actually like kink.

And that’s what a lot of radfem and terf logic boils down to. “You don’t know what you want and need, WE know what you want and need. You can’t be trusted. We know better.”

Sounds familiar doesn’t it? It’s the same patronizing attitude we’ve been fighting forever in Western culture.

“You can’t be trusted with your own body.”

“You can’t be trusted to know your own gender.”

“You can’t be trusted to know your own sexuality.”

“There is only one right way to be a woman.”

Feminism is supposed to be about rejecting all of that, not changing the person making the rules!

plus there are dozens of kinks. lots of them don’t are about hurting people. not that anything would be wrong with these kinks per se.

bettsfic

"why would anyone write that?”: taboo fanfiction as an exercise in empathizing with the monstrous

glorify, romanticize, fetishize. these are words i see thrown around constantly in relation to fanfiction, without regard to their actual meaning or context, for the purpose of censoring taboo content. by taboo, i mean stories which include sex/relationships that are underage, incestuous, abusive, and dubious or non-consensual.

here are their actual meanings:

glorify: describe or represent as admirable, especially unjustifiably.

romanticize: deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make (something) seem better or more appealing than it really is.

fetishize: make (something) the object of a sexual fetish.

these 3 words have negative connotations. they all involve portraying a given theme/dynamic/identity/character in a way that does not properly reflect reality. more specifically, in a way that doesn’t reflect “correct” non-relative morality.

i’ve seen several posts going around about authors and readers who use taboo fanfic to cope with trauma. i’ve seen posts about how fic authors/readers should not have to indulge said trauma to their audience for their work to be seen as worthy of existing. but i also have many friends who have no trauma, and who write the filthiest shit i have ever read. when we strip the notion of trauma out of the taboo, what’s left? how can someone who has experienced no trauma still invest themselves in abjection?

we are taught that a gifted person is one with higher intelligence, but a person can be gifted in many ways. one of the most underrepresented ways to be gifted is in empathy. many empathetically gifted and sensitive people find their way to fanfiction, which offers a kind of freedom no other genre possesses: there is no editorial gatekeeping, no monetary compensation, and all fic is a response to an existing text. for those who tend to be more reactive than active, canon texts offer a platform to respond to, and fandom offers a community of people similarly invested. creativity, community, validation, a distinct lack of rejection. fanfic is an empath’s dream come true.

i have occupied myself these past several years reading the most abject fanfic i can find on ao3, the extremely underage incest noncon, the things that maybe not long ago might have terrified me to look at, made me shut my ipad off and throw it across the room, triggered me or sent me existentially spiraling. three years ago, reading noncon ruined my entire week. i thought, how could someone make such things? what mind could be so awful to devise such horrible conceits? why can’t everyone just kiss and be happy? i was never an anti, i didn’t occupy myself chasing these people away or believing their work shouldn’t exist. i simply did not understand, with no value judgment made on the author, and left it at that.

but for me, the only force stronger than fear is curiosity, and curiosity is what kept me clicking on the non-con archive warning. more than i dislike being afraid and uncomfortable, i hate not understanding. i recognized that this was a thing i’d never seen in any other genre, (mostly) queer women writing profane things they’d experienced, or been afraid they might one day experience, not just to grasp it but also use as fap fodder. women masturbate to these atrocious fictional images. this is a thing that does not exist anywhere else, in any other genre, in the entire history of literature. i had so many questions.

the more taboo fic i read, the more comfortable i became with it. i was not ashamed of reading it, or coming to enjoy it, or even jerking off to it, because the more i read, the more i settled in the unwavering belief that i was not capable of the things i was reading. i had found a profound self-trust by reading the darkest parts of my fellow fic authors’ minds and knowing deep in my gut i was not attracted to children or my family, nor was i capable of rape or abuse. when i started writing it myself, i became even more confident in this knowledge.

with that confidence in place, i began to seek out these writers who were as invested in the taboo as i was, to befriend them and learn who they are out in the real world. what i found was that we all had one thing in common: we are all empathetically gifted, and many of us hold caregiving occupations. we are social workers, non-profit employees, educators, doctors, volunteers, mothers. we concern ourselves with the well-being of others. we define ourselves by our altruism.

and then, at the end of a long day, we come home and read or write our favorite characters getting violently dicked down by their brothers.

what do other kinds of gifted people do when they have a surplus of energy? highly intelligent people solve puzzles or problems. physically gifted people like athletes, fighters, and dancers exercise or train or go outside and play.

the empathetically gifted devise conceits wherein our empathy is tested. we challenge ourselves to love monsters and understand the profane. we dive deeper and deeper and darker and darker, seeking some limit to our greater understanding of the Other, and in doing, make our greatest gift even stronger.

we flex our empathy muscles and watch them grow. we learn to love and understand the things no one else can love, the things that are dangerous to love in our real lives, by distorting that reality, by glorifying, romanticizing, and fetishizing. we place mirrors in front of ourselves, look into the darkest parts of our minds, and think, how far can i go? is there anything i am not willing to understand? how big is my heart?

we tell ourselves stories to find those answers.

“but you shouldn’t empathize with monsters! you shouldn’t glorify, romanticize, or fetishize abuse!”

in reality, we don’t. but in fiction, we’re able to carve a new reality in which we can experiment, test, and play with new forms of empathy that reality does not allow us. an engineer plays sudoku. a dancer runs a marathon. an empath creates monsters.

grumpy-old-fandommom

This was truly a great read, mate

Top notch 👍

kedamonokult-deactivated2023030

“An empath creates monsters.”

I personally feel like that explains a lot about me. I’m a super empathetic person and emotionally intelligent. And what do I do? I write dark fic. I write people so horrible whose actions I can bring myself to understand, but I could never in a million years bring myself to do.

whogivesa-ship

This is an amazing post. I’ve often found that people who write/read/draw the darkest content are some of the sweetest people in fandom.

killowave

cloverinaworld

celtic-pyro-deactivated20230725

Kay so it’s from a satire news article.

clown-butch-deactivated20240919

OH THANK GOD

mysthicrider

androgynousblackbox

Okay, so we are not going to mention how this was actually a real thing when Sailor Moon came out and one of the canon w|w couples was converted into being cousins on the dubbing in english? Like all the romantic and sexual tension between the two of them was still there, it hasn’t gone anywhere, but now they were cousins on top of that.

fullmetalfuck

wait really??

Yup. Confused the shit out of little queer me.

Sorry for the long absence, I’ve been in the hospital. Nothing too worrying, just a bit more complicated than it HAD to be .

#personal

So I’m utterly baffled by how GoT is so mainstream and praised while the same peoples enjoying it will attack fanfic writers for the same type of content. Like, one anti who seriously hates me (vague posts about me on about a weekly post) is in love with GoT. My content contains similar themes. Like... what???? What kind of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance????

You’re available for them to prey on. GRRM isn’t. He doesn’t have a Tumblr. You do. They can’t bully him off a platform. They think they can bully you off this one.

Classic abuse tactics. Abuse those who expose themselves to vulnerability. 👀

I guess I’m mostly confused because you’d expect to see antis complaining about GRRM and GoT but they largely appear to enjoy the content. So someone who likes that content in GoT will harass me for writing the same kind of stuff. It’s not like they’re complaining about GRRM while harassing me. They’re attacking me for the same stuff they enjoy in mainstream media.

Because they don’t actually believe in anything they say. They just want an excuse to bully people.

Yeah… Sounds valid.

athingofvikings

Mental compartmentalization is also a thing. It’s a hallmark of authoritarian thinking, where you can have mutually contradictory thoughts in adjacent “boxes”. Self-consistency is very low in authoritarian mindsets, with high rates of compartmentalization, hypocrisy, and double-standards. This has been shown by research repeatedly.

Aghhhh it frustrates me. I kind of just want to take them by the shoulders and shake them a little bit, see if that does anything.

Also a lot of antis think that THEY are able to access media in a healthy way so OF COURSE they can watch GoT without getting the wrong idea.

“The anti fujoshi movement is racist, sexist, and transphobic.” The anti fujoshi movement just doesnt want white girls sexualizing gay mens’ relationships, ESPECIALLY asian gay men, gay men are not your fucking “uwu precious sin BaBieS!!!!1!1!”

Of course they’re not. But that’s not what fujoshi means. If you want to talk about women who are objectifying real life gay men (not fictional characters, who are objects), call them homophobic creeps. Don’t misappropriate a term from Japanese culture and change it to mean something negative. It only means slash fangirl in Japan. It doesn’t mean creep who objectifies men. Maybe ask real life gay Japanese men about this, hmm? Perhaps @satans-tiddies ?

satans-tiddies

I try my best not to read harmful intent when I can’t be sure it’s there, but it’s very telling that, despite you and many other pro-fujin bloggers politely correcting people’s misconceptions about “fujoshi” time and time again, people still send you cruel messages about it. But they rarely send ME hate, and they stop talking when I correct them or ignore me and continue to pick fights with you guys.

I can’t help but notice that cis women and trans and nonbinary folk keep getting piles of harassment over fujoshi discourse, but not me, even though I engage with antis directly and have “pro-fujoshi/fudanshi” on my blog description and about page. Some of that is due to my inactivity for so long, but… I don’t believe for a second that there’s no sexism and transphobia/enbyphobia involved.

Food for thought.

hajime--fingersinhisass--hinata

Considering the multiple anons I got refusing to accept I was NB and identified with both male and female pronouns, I’d say I’m not valid enough for them. Thank you for using your position of being taken seriously to help and support us, though. It makes a huge difference.

“You gross cishet white woman, stop sexualizing gay men, that’s not for you!!” they scream at queer women, trans/nb people, and of course poc too. Meanwhile they’ll take the word of a white big-name-anti over any japanese mlm because they know better and everyone else needs to shut up and listen to them make fun of “stupid teenage girls that wanna be gay men fhaifhaidogos that’s fetishization”

boogiepopular

It is absolutely misogyny and transphobia. George RR Martin has built his entire career on rape, abuse, pedophilia, and incest but it’s shippers that get attacked for writing “problematic” things. Gei Comi have just as much, if not more, “problematic” elements as BL but it’s only the fujoshi (whether or not you are actually are a fujoshi) that get targeted.

It’s only when afab people get involved does it suddenly become immoral and wrong.

Bullies, seeing vulnerable marginalised people they can attack using the rhetoric of centuries of oppressors’:

shipping-isnt-morality

Different anon. What about aged-down underage rpf? As in the celebrities are adults irl.

Weird…… but…… less potential harm to real minors I guess……. ? I’ve never encountered this and I’ve been into RPF for a while so I don’t think it’s THAT common

Isn't this basically a High School AU of some sort?

Tumblr: prides itself on understanding, respectful discussion, respecting boundaries, consent, caring for the marginalised and respecting the lives of others... except when they disagree with you.

that is essentially tumblr in a nutshell. good times

“kinky people are pushing the idea that sex is meant to be uncomfortable and painful”

My buddy, my dude, my idiot who has never talked to a kinky person in their life, kinky people push the idea that sex is meant to be fun and fulfilling, and that it’s ok if you think freaky shit is fun. For some people, pain is fun because that’s how biology works, and if you are genuinely uncomfortable, you should stop what you are doing! It’s safe to assume that if kinky people are doing weird things, that we are actually comfortable with it!

blog-sliverofjade

Uh, dood, not everyone who’s kinky is into pain.

Anyone who tells you that you have to be into pain if you’re into BDSM/kink/etc is selling you something.

Well yeah, that too, these people refuse to recognise the existence of any other kinks

proshipshy

I don't give a shit that your (supposedly) 14, you still need to choke to death. Send all your little "anti anti" friends after me if you want, but it will never change the fact that you are a fucking freak.

Welp, here we go again. Alright, let’s break this down.

1. You’re

2. Uh, not supposedly, I am literally 14 years of age. I can prove it. But I’m not going to because you guys are all strangers and I had to sit through an hour of internet safety lectures about that.

3. Well if it makes you feel better I almost did choke to death when I was 7 (it was one of those really big Jawbreaker Lollipop things. I got it at Cracker Barrel!)

4. I don’t intend to send any of my friends after you, and even if I did you’re on anon so it would take a bit more sleuthing to find you (or not, I know your IP anon, and you can consider yourself blocked)

5. The only thing freaky about me is the fact I’m a talking horse with wings.

Have a nice day.

- Fluttershy

How sick do people have to be to send this to a freshman in high school?

proshipshy

Sick enough to send it to an eighth grader in middle school :)

- Fluttershy

Wow. People are awful. I’m sorry.

headcannon-central-deactivated2

Just Anti Things: would y’all please get a hobby besides harassing children?

also anyone else reminded of terfs in this exchange, like how terfs claim to protect women but as soon as a woman disagrees with them they start doubting that she’s actually a woman and demanding proof

theassholeantiarchive2-0

Antis: wE cArE aBoUt ThE cHiLdReN!!!

Same antis: lol go choke to death you child UwU

the-discourse-lad

Headcanoning children as ace is inherently pedophilic because it implies children can feel sexual attraction

shipping-isnt-morality

this is the wildest and worst take I’ve ever seen I’ve been thinking about it all week

Why is it the antis immidiatly think about sex? You can be hetro and ace. you can feel romantic attraction and no sexual attraction

shipping-isnt-morality

While that’s true, there is also nothing wrong with children going through puberty and experiencing sexual attraction. Attraction doesn’t imply that they’re ready or able to consent, but for god’s sake let’s not loop that back around to shaming adolescents for natural sexual feelings. I had enough of that myself, thanks, I don’t really want to inflict it on others.

if ao3 was /actually/ the child porn website antis love to claim, like. you could not PAY me to use it. i wouldn't go anywhere near the fucking thing. and yet antis have no issue using it, just for some fanfiction??? huh, seems like they don't actually take the child porn accusations they sling all that seriously :thinking:

👀👀👀👀👀👀

saltyfandombrat

This were all left on a post that supported CSA survivors using FICTIONAL ships to cope with their trauma. How do antis think that threatening shippers is better than shipping a fictional thing to cope? I also think that it’s funny to see all this people who are MOSTLY ADULTS literally ATTACKING REAL KIDS AND TEENS online, yet claim to want to protect kids. They want to “protect kids” until those kids aren’t a carbon copy of all of their beliefs.

Anyway cope shipping is not inherently a form of self-harm and antis are fucking wrong

even if it was, harming people even more is.. not the solution

Related to your post - yeah I thought about being tied up and eaten from like age 5 onwards, way way before I had seen any porn or even knew what sex was. I lived a really sheltered life in a religious family so I didn't even hear about sex for many years after that started. Radfems, good luck pinning that one on abusive men or porn.

Radfems are so focussed on people who wouldn’t ever enjoy kink because they actually do find it to be uncomfortable and unpleasant that they’ve completely forgotten that people be freaky sometimes.

Also somehow there is a lot of kinky shit in children's shows?? People get "eaten alive" in cartoons and it's played for laughs all the time? People are desperate to pee and pee their pants and it's just.. Such a staple everywhere. Blame these shows on the kinks lol

transmedvriska

If there was a way to see if babies would be trans in the womb, would you support using this as a method to abort trans fetii?

I lean towards yes but wanna hear other opinions

transmed-todoroki

i??? absolutely not

why terminate a pregnancy that was otherwise wanted because the child will be trans?? i’m 100% pro choice but this is literally just eugenics?? what the fuck??

so-fucking-valid-uwu

Um, am I the only one who thinks (and 100% sure about it) that it would be better to abort a trans fetus?

Like, being trans is hard, it comes with a lot of struggles, even if you begin transitioning early — there are still many things you can’t change.

I don’t see anything wrong with the eugenics aspect of it. If preventing trans people from being born (sounds harsh, but that’s what it is) will actually decrease the number of trans population, why would it be bad? We’ll just get rid of another congenital disorder.

terflies

I don’t know how to explain to you that eugenics is bad.

androgynousblackbox

Truscum: Dysphoria is not about hating yourself! We don’t mean you need to hate yourself in order to be trans! Also truscum: By the way, I think we should kill all trans people because being trans is too hard and it’s such an ugly disorder anyway. Please don’t have any children. Ever.

Being trans is hard cus cis people exist, can we abort them instead? /s But seriously, this is fucking horrifying, being trans isn’t so bad that we should abort trans people for being trans what the FUCK

transmedvriska

No crackhead being trans is hard because of GENDER DYSPHORIA.

1. gender dysphoria =/= being trans 2. gender dysphoria is theoretically easily treatable. It’s only difficult to treat because… cis people make it hard! (as does capitalism in some places). 3. being trans is hard because of cis people. I’d know. I’m trans.