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Now I know some people get tired of seeing gender reversals online ("well if a man did this...." )

But hear me out

Sometimes it's good for us to think about how we would respond in a similar situation but with the genders reversed

Your first inclination may be to say that you wouldn't change your response, and some of you wouldn't. But others would. And I think it's important we recognize any bias we may have

reasonreblogs

It was kind of nice to see AITA commenters reflect on that when they realized they had given a completely different judgement and had genuinely felt differently to two posts that were exactly the same but the genders were reversed. It was the actual proof that there was a gender bias on the sub. I was kind of surprised by how many people admitted that they had been biased and started reflect rather than double down or quietly ignore it.

whack-a-moron

Its easy for people to get mad about gender reversal if you haven't had to experience it.

When I used to run a social group, we had two identical situations.

One was with a man being subtly creepy and invasive, wanting to lovebomb me with unwarranted gifts and know personal information way too quickly. I wasn't sure if I was the only one experiencing it, so I brought it up in a private discussion with our other group veterans to make sure everyone was safe.

In a group full of all women except for myself, the response was clear: Don't give him chances, don't let him explain himself. Ban him from the space immediately without any form of trial, without even telling him what he did, even when the man being weird was gay and only being weird towards me, the only other man in the group, and not towards any of the women. But he was a man acting this way, so he had to go.

A few months later, we had an identical situation with a woman, except she was actually FAR worse. The creepy man at least had backed off when I said I didn't want random gifts or didn't push when I said I wasn't comfortable sharing my information with this random stranger on the internet. The woman quite literally told me that "too bad", she was going to force gifts onto me anyway, to be "nice". When it was brought up with the other members of the group, again all women, it was endless excuses. "She's just shy". "She's just awkward". "She's harmless, don't worry about it". The list of discomforts was much, much longer with her than with the previous man, and unlike him, telling her "No" just meant she would escalate and become even more aggressively pushy about disrespecting boundaries and trying to "win me over". Suddenly, nobody in the group cared about how uncomfortable I was, because it was a woman doing it. They didn't see the problem.

It took all of one month adding this woman to our group for friends I had known for a decade (who were also being aggressively lovebombed) to decide we weren't friends anymore and just cut me off without warning, because my boundaries of not wanting to be creeped on suddenly were a problem, because she was a "harmless woman" doing it to me, and her behaviors were just "awkwardness".

Friends I had known for a decade were cutting me off and then sending me messages later that they "wished I could see how mentally ill I am" for not trusting this woman I'd only known for a few weeks who would casually "joke" about kidnapping me into a cabin in the woods away from society where no one would ever find us, and who heard "No" and declared in no unclear terms she was going to do whatever she wanted anyway, not even bothering to hide it from the group when she did, even when I said it flat out made me uncomfortable.

Yes. If a man they only started talking to a few weeks ago said they were going to find where they live in real life so they can kidnap them into the woods, they WOULD have treated it differently. I know this for a fact because I had seen it unfold in this exact group of individuals prior to this happening.

But because it was a woman, they not only let her get away with the behaviors, they ended their friendship with me for being uncomfortable with it.

I no longer trust people who have certain visceral reactions to the things men do until I see whether or not they have the same reaction to when a woman also does the same shitty thing. Until then, relationship trust on any level isn't even on the table.

captainjonnitkessler

The other reason I'm generally annoyed with the "Abolish X" crowd who actually DO mean "abolish X" and not a watered-down version is that ime they very rarely have fully thought out the implications of what they're demanding and then get angry when other people ask about it.

"Family abolition means completely removing legal ties for family units and allowing all children the choice of where they live" okay. So if I see a three-year-old throwing a fit because she doesn't want to leave the park, and I go over and tell her if she comes home with me she can stay as long as she likes and then we'll get McDonald's on the way home, that three-year-old should have the ability to make that decision? The parent or guardian has no legal recourse to stop me from taking her? Cause if the answer's no, that's not abolition, that's reform baby!

"I'm done talking about what we'll do with rapists and murderers after we abolish prisons, it's all anybody ever wants to talk about!" Well yeah man! 98% of people just interpreted your words as "we're going to let murderers roam around killing people at will"! You need to explain very clearly what plans you have that will stop them that aren't incarceration or you're not going to make any headway! And if your answer involves any form of "well of course SOME people can't be allowed total freedom" - that's not abolition, that's reform baby!

I'm not even gonna touch the number of people who think we should abolish the police and replace them with what are essentially roaming squads of vigilantes dispensing "community justice", whatever the fuck that means.

Like these aren't "gotcha" questions, they're legitimate problems you're going to have to contend with. And if you wave away all these questions with "you're just making up ridiculous scenarios" and "we'll think of something to fix that once we destroy the current system", then yeah actually, I DO think you care more about sounding radical than about making any kind of change.

cosettetape1

You're missing the forest for the trees here.

I'm far too tired to go word-by-word, but the long & short of what I think you're missing is that "abolish X" movements mean "stop trying to drag the Overton Window from where it I'd to where it needs to be, start over from first principles & make something better without having to get there from where we are incrementally."

Put another way, it doesn't mean "blow up the foundation & leave it libertarian", it just means "let's assume starting from scratch instead of incrementalism."

convulsive-madness

"Just look at the ideas that I have in the most positive light possible, please." how about I don't do that and instead think of all the ways that your terrible ideas could go horribly wrong. I.E. the most likely scenario.

an-colm-fuinniuil

Also.

You can't fucking "start over from first principles" without a blank slate from which to start over.

How do you plan on achieving said blank slate WITHOUT blowing everything up and getting a whole bunch of people killed in the process?

This is, yet again, someone who has not thought through any of the practical concerns behind why "I dunno how we'll prevent harm and you're actually the bad guy for telling me we need to know how to prevent harm before enacting massive societal upheaval" is a monumentally foolish method for winning over anyone with a MODICUM of common sense.

People like Cosette up there need to understand that "What is your actual material plan for preventing harm" is not a fucking gotcha, is not an attempt to drag the overton window rightward. being stupid and short-sighted about saying radical rebellious things you haven't thought through doesn't make you look like a smart, enlightened leftist who's better than everyone else, it makes you look like you slept through civics class and still have the selfishness of a five year old who doesn't understand why not everyone in their family wants to watch Frozen again for the fourth time that day.

If you're going to discuss grownup concepts like law and harm reduction and reforming systems, you have to act like an adult.

As for me, I'm no going to take a leaf out of the hardline abolitionist playbook. You think I'm wrong? Well, I've decided you're arguing in bad faith prior to hearing any of your points, therefore I shall keep my mind pure from evil influences like "how does this get implemented in reality instead of just angrily fantasized about on tungle dot com" oh wait I'm doing an impression again aren't I.

The point is, I vote we immediately dismiss people like this as unserious. I don't like their move of "you're a bad person if you have questions about the material logistics of my idealist utopia that will definitely someday exist if I call enough people bootlickers for wanting to not like, die", but I do think we need to stop indulging the childishness of these viewpoints.

"There should be no more police or prisons or family units ever!!" "uh huh sure sweet dreams sweetie do you want your pacy before I tuck you in"

izandai

"Abolish" is a word with a meaning. It doesn't mean "massively reduce the prevalence of" and it doesn't mean "overhaul the implementation of" and it doesn't mean "render obsolete and unnecessary". It means "completely do away with". It means "get rid of". If you say you're in favor of abolishing something, anyone who isn't in the weeds on leftist terminology–meaning MOST PEOPLE–is going to think you want to summarily ban that thing at the earliest convenience.

The immediate cultural touchstone a lot of people are going to have for usage of the word "abolish" is the abolition of slavery, AKA Abolitionism. Abolitionists did not want slavery to be phased out or made less harmful or to be more restricted or better regulated, they wanted it abolished. That's why they were called Abolitionists. Don't be surprised if when you call yourself an "[X] abolitionist" people think you want to abolish [X], using the same basic definition of "abolish" that the vast majority of English speakers use. And if that's not actually what you want to do, maybe consider calling yourself something else. I sincerely think it'll help your cause.

feminismisstillahatemovement

Demonically-inhuman evil genuinely has become the default setting of the left.

otakuvampyre

"I want to kill these kids' mother to make them orphans and then put them with people who will brainwash them to hate their dead parents."

A totally sane thing to say.

re-jet-irony

Semi-random thought but for as much as these people claim to hate colonizers they do love their playbooks. "Kill the parents and raise the children properly and to hate where they came from."

arizonaconservativegal

You guys have never been personally close to political violence. You see it on the news with the same distance you see the super bowl and you feel like cheering on one team or the other makes you a part of the game but you're not on the field.

This isn't real for you.

You've never answered the phone at work and had someone tell you your boss better not come to work the next day. You've never had to evacuate your office because someone sent some shit in the mail or left a bomb threat on the voicemail. You've never had to tell your boss that he should probably take his kids out of town for a few days.

Tumblr anons? Don't count. Trust me.

I don't scare easy and honestly what I've dealt with has been pretty light and none of it has been directed at me personally. I'm damn lucky for that. I don't really worry about myself but I do worry a lot about some of my friends.

You guys don't know what that feels like. You don't know what you're celebrating right now or what you're asking for when you call for violent retaliation. You don't want to know.

There are real people whose lives you are playing with when you spout off from your keyboard. Stop.

Finally, some good fucking food.

#racism #slavery #slave trade #history #racial inequality

nathandleah

Why are people not woke anymore?

Can someone please explain how we went from the 2020 “woke” movement to this wave of conservatism in 2025? Because honestly, the shift makes no sense to me. Just five years ago, it felt like we were making meaningful progress. People were becoming more empathetic, open-minded, and unafraid to express their identities. Discrimination was actively called out and condemned.

This shift wasn’t just visible online; you could see the change happening in real life. For example, in my graduating class, around 15 students came out in 2020, and they faced no backlash whatsoever. Acceptance became an expectation rather than a mere encouragement, as discrimination was simply not tolerated. Nowadays, around 10 of those 15 individuals deny that they ever came out, brushing it off as a joke and embracing more conservative ideals—like aspiring to have the “perfect” traditional family. There’s also the noticeable shift in feminist discourse. In 2020, it felt like nearly every young woman identified as a feminist. Now, however, we’re witnessing a tendency in young girls pursuing a "tradwife" future and anti-intellectual trends such as "girl math," where the underlying joke is that women are inherently less intelligent than men.

I genuinely don’t understand how we’ve regressed so drastically. It’s not just the past five years that feel lost—it’s like thirty years of progress have been undone. An ad promoting eugenics shouldn’t even be part of public discourse, let alone broadcasted. People who endorse such ideas shouldn’t even have a career. Don't even get me started on those podcasts where men are proudly sexist and just awful human beings. It´s simply baffling to me how someone can be so open with their hatred and not have any repercussions whatsoever.

What’s most unsettling is how quickly people, especially younger generations, have adapted to this shift. Please help me understand what social phenomenon has caused corrupt and harmful ideas to become normalized once again. They’re so shameless with their hatred, unapologetic about the harm they cause, proudly preaching cruelty without a hint of remorse.

iteratedextras

Let me, how should I put this...

An ad promoting eugenics shouldn’t even be part of public discourse, let alone broadcasted.

Progressives supported racial healthcare rationing against the majority. That's bad, actually.

Can you understand why that's bad? Can you understand why, quite rightly, people would not want to put up with it?

Because if you can't understand why openly, explicitly, as a matter of institutional policy, discriminating against white Americans is bad, then any legitimate explanation of why this happened is going to be completely incomprehensible to you.

brazenautomaton

I am going to register my prediction now: there is no ad promoting eugenics and it is a grotesquely bad faith argument to claim there is.

The reason people are hostile to you is that the "woke" movement are relentlessly cruel liars that basically amounted to a crowdsourced case of borderline personality disorder. And you never even noticed because every time anyone spoke up about all the horribly cruel and destructive things you did, or all the things you said that were grotesque and obvious lies, you could not permit yourself to understand them. You did then what you're going to do now: any time someone points out how openly fucking malevolent your movement became in actual real life in the world, you said "Well we say we're for acceptance and tolerance, so anyone who has a problem with anything we do must be a fascist who hates tolerance."

Then you and all your friends went back to bullying everyone you noticed, lying with every word out of your mouths, and doing more to annihilate racial harmony than the Klan could ever dream of. And you will not stop, and you will not be stopped. You haven't lost any power to do what matters, to do the only thing you ever did, which is punish people for not killing themselves. You just raised the alarm when you noticed that more than zero people weren't publicly self-mutilating in order to try and avert your gaze, but don't worry, your movement's quest to annihilate every part of the human experience that isn't cruelty games continues unabated and deathless.

You will read all of this and conclude "What a reactionary racist fascist, to be so upset by a movement that only works for tolerance and has no other traits and never did anything else!" This is because suicide is the answer and you are why.

pondpeople-deactivated20251110

The ad in question : https://youtu.be/YzVYyDehMUY?si=XCA0CfMPYOz0bbUb

brazenautomaton

Would you look at that, I was right again.

cookingwithroxy

One COULD argue that the American Eagle commercials are possibly in bad taste, the whole 'you're not WRONG but I wouldn't put it that way' kind of thing?

But the fact is that you could replace the model in question with any other attractive woman and aside from replacing the specific traits mentioned the same script could have been used, WITHOUT this reaction.

But that's not the bit that got me about OP. THIS is the bit that OP stated that got me:

For example, in my graduating class, around 15 students came out in 2020, and they faced no backlash whatsoever. Acceptance became an expectation rather than a mere encouragement, as discrimination was simply not tolerated. Nowadays, around 10 of those 15 individuals deny that they ever came out, brushing it off as a joke and embracing more conservative ideals—like aspiring to have the “perfect” traditional family.

if 2/3rds of a group that came out and faced absolutely NO backlash later backtracked their position, you cannot then argue that it was social stigma that forced them to recant their positions. But that's what is being pushed here, that rather than 10 people realizing 'Hey, this really isn't what I want, I desire this other thing' it's some kind of brainwashing that made them hide their true selves.

It's blatantly taking these people and making them non-agentic figures in their own lives.

But that's understandable, I suppose, because if you DO look at them as people who are making actual active and healthy decisions NOW, you'd have to stop and look back five years and go 'maybe they came out five years ago because there was social benefits and no penalties to being LGBT and so it was a no-risk, high-reward way to push themselves up the social ladder. And them turning back on it is because they no longer get any benefit to presenting an LGBT identity.'

And THAT would not be the kind of explanation that's comfortable to OP's world view.

yourtoradorasextendedwarranty

Pretty much yeah.

theconstitutionisgayculture

OP is the perfect example of why woke is dying. Just a whole ass screed saying "Why are people no longer supporting my ideals? The objectively good ideals? The only ideals people should have if they want to be treated like human beings? Instead, everyone is following the bad ideals, which shouldn't be allowed, because only evil people have the bad ideals and all evil people shouldn't exist." You people misrepresent your own ideals and the ideals of people who disagree with you, and it works for a few years because most people don't want to deal with public shaming that often escalates into physical attacks for having the "wrong opinion" about something.

But eventually people get tired of the increasingly narrow ways they're allowed to act and the increasingly narrow band of things they're allowed to say.

They notice the hypocrisy inherent in a movement that preaches tolerance, diversity, and anti-racism where only one opinion is allowed and anyone, minority or majority, who breaks with that opinion is called every racial and sexual slur in the books, told to kill themselves, and get treated just like all the other "evil" people.

They see the grift in woke movements like Black Lives Matter where the leaders of the organization pocket millions and none of that money makes it to the poor black lives that supposedly matter. Black lives matter, but a third mansion matters more so enjoy your gang and drug infested inner city hellholes, black youth!

Then they talk to the "evil" people you've been attacking for the last ten years and find out they're nothing like you've been portraying them. They aren't racist. They aren't nazis. They aren't cartoonishly evil billionaires plotting to kill every minority and turn every woman into a breeding slave straight out of every third feminists secret maledom fantasy. They're just normal people who want to be left alone and not have to constantly police themselves based on constantly changing, illogical rules. They want to be able to tell a joke without losing their jobs or having blue haired freaks harass them or their families. They want to raise their children by their own ideals instead of having rich, left wing "educators" indoctrinate them into creepy gender cults. They want to be judged by the content of their character, accurately represented, and not by the color of their skin or the caricature the woke makes of them for daring to have unapproved thoughts.

And that's why woke is dying. It was a rapacious snake eating its own tail. The only people left are the lucky few who haven't been eaten for breaking with orthodoxy and the people who were using wokeism to gain money and/or power. It was an ideology that never would have survived. It was an excuse for vile bullies to indulge their twisted desires against approved targets. And ultimately, it set race, gender, and sexual orientation relations back decades. That's on you guys.

Enjoy the world you created. I know I am.

nathandleah

Why are people not woke anymore?

Can someone please explain how we went from the 2020 “woke” movement to this wave of conservatism in 2025? Because honestly, the shift makes no sense to me. Just five years ago, it felt like we were making meaningful progress. People were becoming more empathetic, open-minded, and unafraid to express their identities. Discrimination was actively called out and condemned.

This shift wasn’t just visible online; you could see the change happening in real life. For example, in my graduating class, around 15 students came out in 2020, and they faced no backlash whatsoever. Acceptance became an expectation rather than a mere encouragement, as discrimination was simply not tolerated. Nowadays, around 10 of those 15 individuals deny that they ever came out, brushing it off as a joke and embracing more conservative ideals—like aspiring to have the “perfect” traditional family. There’s also the noticeable shift in feminist discourse. In 2020, it felt like nearly every young woman identified as a feminist. Now, however, we’re witnessing a tendency in young girls pursuing a "tradwife" future and anti-intellectual trends such as "girl math," where the underlying joke is that women are inherently less intelligent than men.

I genuinely don’t understand how we’ve regressed so drastically. It’s not just the past five years that feel lost—it’s like thirty years of progress have been undone. An ad promoting eugenics shouldn’t even be part of public discourse, let alone broadcasted. People who endorse such ideas shouldn’t even have a career. Don't even get me started on those podcasts where men are proudly sexist and just awful human beings. It´s simply baffling to me how someone can be so open with their hatred and not have any repercussions whatsoever.

What’s most unsettling is how quickly people, especially younger generations, have adapted to this shift. Please help me understand what social phenomenon has caused corrupt and harmful ideas to become normalized once again. They’re so shameless with their hatred, unapologetic about the harm they cause, proudly preaching cruelty without a hint of remorse.

whack-a-moron

Put simply OP:

Because your rose glasses utopian vision of "woke" politics doesn't exist and can be more accurately described as social terrorism.

And when I say "social terrorism" I mean literal terrorism.

Burning down cities. Dragging people out of their cars and beating them for being not dark skinned enough. Attacking random people and putting them in the hospital for being white. Setting off literal explosives in buildings in the name of "feminism". Driving men who try to open abuse shelters for men to suicide. Violently targeting OTHER feminists with attempts on their life for speaking up about men's rights.

But I'm guessing you've never heard of Erin Pizzey. Highly recommend you research her if so, and ask yourself why the literal founder of modern day government-funded women's aid shelters can't travel to places like Britain without an armed security escort because angry feminists might try to assassinate her for saying abused men need help too.

People who were actually paying attention to more than the feel-good Kumbaya propoganda realized what a fucking joke "woke" politics was and adjusted to get as far away from it as possible.

Turns out when you tell people they're irredeemable scum who can never be anything but pure evil simply on the principle that they're white, male, heterosexual, cisgender, neurotypical, able-bodied, or anything you decide this week can be categorized as "privileged" and try to reintroduce segregation as a "good" thing as long as you do it to those Inherently Evil Privileged People, all of those people decide to join the camp that isn't spouting that kind of hateful rhetoric, which wasn't your side.

Your movement made people your enemies simply by having certain immutable traits and you called that "progress" instead of what it is; bigotry with a new coat of paint hiding behind the excuse "we're marginalized victims so our bigotry is justified".

And inb4 any snarky labeling to try and undermine my points, I'm not Right-wing. Or Left-wing, for that matter. I just actually pay attention and understand predictable cause and effect and your movement dug its own grave by alienating a whole fucking lot of people, deliberately and maliciously.

nathandleah

Why are people not woke anymore?

Can someone please explain how we went from the 2020 “woke” movement to this wave of conservatism in 2025? Because honestly, the shift makes no sense to me. Just five years ago, it felt like we were making meaningful progress. People were becoming more empathetic, open-minded, and unafraid to express their identities. Discrimination was actively called out and condemned.

This shift wasn’t just visible online; you could see the change happening in real life. For example, in my graduating class, around 15 students came out in 2020, and they faced no backlash whatsoever. Acceptance became an expectation rather than a mere encouragement, as discrimination was simply not tolerated. Nowadays, around 10 of those 15 individuals deny that they ever came out, brushing it off as a joke and embracing more conservative ideals—like aspiring to have the “perfect” traditional family. There’s also the noticeable shift in feminist discourse. In 2020, it felt like nearly every young woman identified as a feminist. Now, however, we’re witnessing a tendency in young girls pursuing a "tradwife" future and anti-intellectual trends such as "girl math," where the underlying joke is that women are inherently less intelligent than men.

I genuinely don’t understand how we’ve regressed so drastically. It’s not just the past five years that feel lost—it’s like thirty years of progress have been undone. An ad promoting eugenics shouldn’t even be part of public discourse, let alone broadcasted. People who endorse such ideas shouldn’t even have a career. Don't even get me started on those podcasts where men are proudly sexist and just awful human beings. It´s simply baffling to me how someone can be so open with their hatred and not have any repercussions whatsoever.

What’s most unsettling is how quickly people, especially younger generations, have adapted to this shift. Please help me understand what social phenomenon has caused corrupt and harmful ideas to become normalized once again. They’re so shameless with their hatred, unapologetic about the harm they cause, proudly preaching cruelty without a hint of remorse.

thathopeyetlives

You don't learn everything about a movement -- even a good movement -- by asking its supporters. Or its haters.

Simply put, your very rosy description of things you were seeing at the top seems to be in the realm of propaganda, as does the talk about empathy and cruelty. The actual change isn't even that big.

An awful lot of the success of woke politics was illusory. It was the product of fear and emotional blackmail. A huge amount of it was dedicated to tail-chasing purity spirals and infighting to decide who was the purest of the pure. Eventually people become exhausted by this, and notice that others are also exhausted -- even if there's no big revolt against it, and even if they still support many of your ideals.

Pretty much any large movement inevitably attracts its own opposition eventually. Woke politics is uniquely weak to opposition precisely because of its contempt for arguing its case and engaging with said opposition.

apilgrimpassingby

Since basically everyone else answering this post is right-wing, I thought it would be good for me (I'm not left-wing, but certainly less right-wing than the other people answering this). These aren't particularly ordered, but I hope they're helpful or at least interesting.

What woke (I find the term incredibly cringy, but it's your term so I'll use it) politics represented was the acceptance of left-wing politics by the capitalist class. I note that your list doesn't include mention of left-wing economic politics; by contrast, right-wing politics is at least nominally trying to improve the average citizen's economic lot ("they're taking our jobs" has become the archetypal nativist's cry for a reason).

The adoption by the capitalist class has a few effects:

Left-wing politics, as mentioned above, becomes a lot less economically focused. This makes it a lot less appealing to the white working class, which reinforces adoption by the capitalist class.

Correspondingly, the focus becomes identarian. Wealth redistribution is out, trans rights are in.

Left-wing sentiments are increasingly expressed in corporate settings like schools and workplaces.

The problem is that, for the Left, being accepted by the capitalist class is a Faustian bargain. And not just in the sense of selling your soul (redistributist principles) to the Devil (corporations), but of it ultimately coming back to bite you in the backside. Because left-wing moral authority is derived from the claim to speak for the oppressed, and it's hard to present yourself as oppressed when schools bring in people to teach your principles (I was in college - that's the UK term for upper high - in the early 2020s and remember Black History Month and LGBT+ assemblies) and Walmart (or Tesco in the UK) and Amazon sell your merchandise. With that in the background, the Right could now present themselves as the oppressed minority, and hold both right-wing moral authority as the voice of traditional reason in a modernist world gone mad and as the voice of the oppressed underdog.

Then recession starts, and the identarianism really disadvantages the Left. I remember someone commenting on Trump's election "do Americans really care more about cheap eggs than human rights!?" (or something to that effect) and thinking that, yes, they do and there's a good case that they should. Human rights aren't much use if you're starving to death.

And this is where the Right appeals. As mentioned above, nativism and isolationism (which seem to me to be the main notes of contemporary right-wing politics) are at least nominally trying to secure better economic prospects, and security (which is one of the central ideas of conservative politics in all ages) is particularly attractive when it's increasingly hard to get a job. (I wonder if this is part of tradwife popularity - if I can't get a job, maybe I should stay at home and use an established cultural mould to do so).

Tagging @kaleb-is-definitely-sane and @charlies-palace to get some more left-wing opinions on this.

return-of-the-blech

I'm not left wing...

...capitalist class...

You are the epitome of left wing

robin-hood-for-freedom

Lefty buzzwords aside,his analysis is pretty spot on

lordascapelion

“Capitalist class” clearly refers to the people who are investing money. And yeah, the big investors clearly got drawn in to the “woke” shit.

apilgrimpassingby

I was using the term because I don't have another word that covers big investors and middle-class middle management types who were the public face of the movement. Not only because they worked together in the movement, but also because I think they have certain commonalities that, much as they'd be loath to admit it, mean that lefty school administrators and white-collar bosses have more in common with "the one per cent" than with white working-class conservatives or Hispanic immigrants and black inner-city dwellers. Any given member of the group I'm referring to as "the capitalist class" across Europe and North America will almost certainly be:

Urban

Secular or nominally religious

In possession of some degree of university education

Employed in or in close proximity to an office

Proficient in standard English (standard is an important bit - go ahead, try and write a work email in Appalachian vernacular and see what the response is)

Highly willing to move both internationally and intra-nationally in order to seek work and education

Middle-class in their values (that is, placing a high value on education and profit).

Not necessarily rich, but rich enough that they'll never have to worry about having enough money for rent or groceries.

Not particularly attached to any specific regional or national culture.

Liberal, both in the sense of "left-wing" and "believes society should be built around individual freedom".

From a family and in a social circle composed overwhelmingly of people who fit the above criteria

(Not every single such person will fit every criteria in this list, but most will hit all of them and all will hit most of them.)

Notably, these all make them amenable to "woke" politics. If you're surrounded by secular or nominally religious people, you find it hard to imagine people who actually believe their religion, and thus assume Christians are nothing more than hateful bigots and don't get why anyone would have any reasonable objections to a Muslim political bloc in their country. University, being full of ambitious and disconnected young people, is a famous boiling pot of left-wing ideas. If you and everyone you know is willing to move for work and aren't particularly concerned with national culture, that will make you pro-immigration. If you've never been stressed out about paying your bills, you'll likely think recessions are fairly trivial, and if your entire social circle is middle-class you probably don't even understand, let alone care about working-class concerns.

(Also, I used the term "capitalist class" because this kind of person, especially their dominance in government, education and media, seems to me to be a product of the emergence of capitalism.)

conspiracryptid

“Why be straight and cis when you can be- THE LGBT MOVEMENT HAS SPENT YEARS TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE IT ISNT A CHOICE SHUT UP

politijohn

lierdumoa

There's another post on here where this woman talks about dating a rich guy and she was like "oh you can't drink alcohol on a public sidewalk here" and he was like "Sure you can -- it's $500." Like he'd done it often enough that he had the "price" memorized.

mckitterick

the word "privilege" comes from the Latin privilegium, meaning "private law," or law granting one person or group benefits others don't enjoy

philosopherking1887

I remember reading an article about Koch Industries that said they just budget in fines for violating environmental regulations and lawsuit settlements for damage and accidents caused by broken pipelines -- it’s cheaper than installing cleaner, safer equipment.

Fines that aren’t adjusted to the means of the violator are worse than useless.

whack-a-moron

Yep, this is always how its been. It's the same reason you have things like car manufacturers and Boeing engineers greenlighting cars and planes that have, quite literally sometimes, fatal flaws that end in people actually dying. It's not that these manufacturers don't know about these glaring flaws. It's that they've already typically calculated out cost vs profit. If they make more money off of launching the faulty product than they'll ever lose in a lawsuit, they go ahead and release it anyway and fuck the consumer.

A large part of the world functions off of "If I make more money anyway, a few hundred dead randoms is a price my company is willing to pay."

in4newz

Listen, if a Bad President can come in and take away our rights and we're dependent on a Good President replacing them in four years to give us back our rights, then we do not have any rights.

If politicians can take or distribute them, then they're not "inalienable" and they're not "rights."

We don't have inalienable rights we have conditional privileges, divvied out according to the whims of whoever currently holds the reins.

And if we want to have actual rights, then we must build a system in which no one has the power to take them away to begin with.

#politics #usa politics #barack obama #obama #donald trump #trump #fuck trump

siryouarebeingmocked

Hey, guys, let’s all raise a glass to the ninth anniversary of the Sexual Offenses Act 2003, which said that it’s not rape, even of children, when a woman does it. Thanks to this law, the only way a woman can be convicted of rape in The United Kingdom Great Britain and Northern Ireland is if she assists a man in the commission of one. And thanks to mainstream feminism for spending most of a decade not giving two craps about the matter. Real big help.

janine-adler

Hey, while this is true, women can be punished under an act of sexual abuse or offense and can get the same amount of time in jail as any man for the same crime under a different name.

siryouarebeingmocked

A woman can commit “Assault by penetration”. That’s it. And the fact that it’s not called “rape” is still a big deal. Forcing someone to penetrate would fall under Sexual Assault, and be subject to a lesser penalty.

siryouarebeingmocked

10 years.

If you’re confused, the Act wasn’t actually implemented until May 1st, 2004.

siryouarebeingmocked

13 years, 4 days.

cheshireinthemiddle

Has this been improved yet?

siryouarebeingmocked

Nope. So, 17 years, 7 months.

siryouarebeingmocked

21st.

hybridmindthoughtsreloaded

So if a clothing manufacturer from India that pays $1.00 an hour to their workers to make clothing moves their operation to America to avoid tariffs, are Americans going to work for $1.00 an hour? No, the clothing manufacturer would have to pay at least minimum wage, and the price of the clothing would reflect that. So Americans would still be paying more for the same product in the end.

If Americans actually cared about American made products, they would have been buying American made this whole time. Americans care more about the price of a product than the origin.

HybridMindThoughtsReloaded

teamvoorhees3

Tariffs only get passed on to the end customer. Companies aren't going to eat the cost.

Same with fuel costs, shop lifting... it all gets passed to the customer to keep up the profit line.

whack-a-moron

Funny also that you should mention fuel costs because the auto industry and oil companies deliberately make cars less fuel efficient in order to sell more gas at the pump while pretending otherwise, and if your car is too efficient and the wrong person hears about it, you will in fact get guys in suits showing up to confiscate and destroy your vehicle.

Only reason I even know this is we used to know a mechanic that did mod jobs on cars to make them more efficient including one we used to own. I'm talking 40+ miles per gallon actual miles, not sales pitch miles, while still being completely street legal and passing all emissions tests. And he told us not to mention it to anyone because he had other clients who bragged about it and had their cars seized for the crime of... *checks notes* proving to people that their "great fuel economy" cars getting 15 mpg are actually an industry scam.

And the only reason I can actually talk about it now is we haven't owned that car for over ten years, the mechanic shop no longer exists, and that mechanic is either thoroughly retired or dead from old age by now.

Oh, and don't get me started on the diamond scam, but at least daily living isn't hinged upon whether or not you can afford an overpriced common rock hoarded by a few rich fucks to manufacture forced scarcity and make people think its rare and worth something.

egalitarianchica

If you're a boy, that's okay!

- A white boy. - A black boy. - An Asian boy. - An indigenous boy. - A straight boy. - A gay boy. - A bi boy. - An asexual boy. - A cis boy. - A trans boy. - A masculine boy. - A feminine boy. - A tall boy. - A short boy. - A skinny boy. - A chubby boy. - An able-bodied boy. - A disabled boy. - A mentally healthy boy. - A mentally ill boy.

You are yourself, and that’s all that matters. You are not the sexist stereotypes society says about you. You are a wonderful human being deserving of love and respect. So smile and be happy about who you are!

meanderingandrambling

President downplays hate surge after white supremacist, who mentioned Trump in a manifesto, attacked New Zealand mosques

Of course he is. He can’t afford to alienate his most dedicated voters.

1776constitutionalist

White nationalism is rising literally 99% due to the far left becoming the center left

I say this because I dont want them to grow, and the left has to acknowledge how they are contributing to the rise of the far right to stop it from happening

meanderingandrambling

Imagine thinking liberals are leftists and that either are responsible for the right pandering to open racists. A-fucking-mazing.

1776constitutionalist

The problem is you consider any position left of Stalin as pandering to Nazis. You dont pander to them, you inflame their rhetoric.

White nationalism is rising in Europe as a reaction to the mass immigration. All it would take would be to actually do something about the extremism and crime and the neo nazis would have significantly less material to recruit with, but the left absolutely refuses. All it would take would be a simple, centrist solution like “admit a lot less and assimilate them better”, but no, that is considered xenophobia. By allowing Migrant crime and Islamic extremism to go virtually unchecked and refusing to address it, people get more afraid and more desperate, which neo nazis then use to recruit. Trump passing the extreme vetting order was literally the best thing that could have been done to combat Islamophobia.

In America, it’s because mainstream Democrats are becoming actual socialists. Socialism is as far to the left as Nazism is to the right. Combine that with blatant anti-white racism and identity politics being widespread in the Democrat party, again, you’ve given them recruiting tactics. A while generation of vulnerable young white people are told by the media they are evil, of course they are going to gravitate to extremism.

All it would take to fix either one of these would be to just become more centrist. Centrists believe in moderate levels of border control. Centrists are not socialists. Centrists do not push the narrative that white people are harming POC with their mere existence. Politics is largely reactionary. The increased extremism of the right IS a reaction to increased extremism on the left.

I dont expect you to listen, rather I fully expect you to label me telling you the facts you don’t want to hear as alt right BS. But its true, and it’s not gonna go away until you fix it. Either try to bridge the divide or keep digging your own graves and plunging the world into chaos.

It’s your choice.

kamiyu910

Another problem is how the media is demonizing white people, claiming they have no culture, and if they try to be proud of their heritage, they’re evil racist nazis, but if they participate in any other culture, they’re evil racist appropriators.

Seriously, you take the headlines aimed at white people today, and you switch “white” with “black” or “Jew” or something, and people will fucking murder you, but when it’s “white” it’s perfectly fine.

When you hate on people that much, they will retaliate.

Look at all these verified people on twitter spouting hatred against others just for how they were born.

What do you call it when you hate someone for being born a certain race… oh yeah, racism.

But hey, it’s totally justified! Because… reasons. Reasons that are inherently racist, because they end up acting like non-white people are somehow lesser than white people and so white people need to be brought lower in order for there to be equality.

The racism of low expectations. They don’t believe non-white people CAN be as good as white people. They claim voter ID laws are racist, education is racist, reading to your children is racist, etc etc. They’re even trying to bring back segregation, under the guise of “safe spaces.”

And y’all wonder why there’s a backlash? Really?

peachy-political

Those fucking screenshots what the fuck

kamiyu910

I have even more

hotpocket-fucker

@kamiyu910 from twitter or tumblr? Where are they?

kamiyu910

You mean the more links I have? From all over the internet, though I don’t think I actually included all the tumblr pics of hate Here’s a master post I made for the links with more screenshots

https://kamiyu910.tumblr.com/post/183572308773

And here are some more pics I didn’t include in that post

I have more even…. but this should be good for now

hattersadventures-deactivated20

Look at all those receipts, hot damn!

uncle-jingo

Just your imagination whitey

friendly-neighborhood-patriarch

Welp

caribetidalwave

@kamiyu910 add the rest please, you’re doing a great job documenting and bringing to light how the anti white left is engaging racial rhetoric and acting as if they’re morally superior for being racist.

kamiyu910

In response to those:

I have to take a break now, but hope this is enough. It’s amazing how much there is out there

otakuvampyre

This last screenshot here… Hoping an INFANT dies and tagging it with “black lives Matter.”

I genuinely hope that’s a troll, but you never know with these people.

#long post #racism

wolfertinger666

there's something uncomfortable about western millennials/gen z's deep obsession with watering Studio Ghibli movies down into "wholesome bean comfort flicks aesthetic uwu japan" when half of these people completely miss the point of these films and the complex nuanced topics they deal with, especially when it comes to post war Japan.

wolfertinger666

i don't think these people watched princess mononoke.

i don't think that movie gives me comfort aesthetic vibes. at all.

whack-a-moron

I'll do one better.

Grave of the Fireflies.

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