Okay, so I had to take a bit to respond to this, because there’s just so much here I don’t know where to start.
have you actually spoken to any conservatives lately because many have come around on issues like prison reform
Cool! I mean, you’re still admitting that it’s something that has only recently been an improvement and not, like, a tenet of conservative thought, but genuinely: that’s good! I am glad we’re taking this seriously.
and the issue of just building homes is not always going to solve just look at the projects and how that turned out for many decades
Tumblr hates links, but google “housing first” - study after study, including one in otherwise-conservative-Utah, shows that giving homeless people houses makes literally everything else about homelessness easier to deal with, and it’s cheaper than temporary shelters or piecemeal services. It is difficult if not impossible to get a job if you don’t have an address. It’s hard to deal with mental health problems or drug addiction if you don’t have any sort of stability in your life, even just “a room with a door that locks.”
The issue with the projects is, ironically, based on treating poor people like lesser beings: they’re in bad neighborhoods, they’re shoddily built, and those living there face way more scrutiny than the average renter, particularly when it comes to those with criminal records. You don’t need to move poor people into slums to give them housing.
also the seperation between children and adults was to prevent trafficking.
It demonstrably was not. From the beginning – and again, you can google the Horowitz Report - it was entirely about reducing immigration at the border. “Trafficking” was a post facto rationalization after they realized how unpopular it was. They implemented the policy with the express understanding that it would separate children from families, they did not take any steps to coordinate with multiple agencies who were going to be impacted, and they showed a laughably stupid understanding of how immigration prosecution works. Some quotes from the report:
Accordingly, we found that in most cases, the expectation, as communicated by Sessions to the Southwest border U.S. Attorneys, of a brief prosecution followed by an immediate reunification of the family while the child remained in DHS custody was a practical impossibility. Moreover, the OIG found that DOJ leadership did not consider the average sentencing practices in the districts, assess the impact of the TVPRA’s 72-hour rule, or adequately consult with the USAOs, the USMS, HHS, or the Border Patrol in advance of implementing the zero tolerance policy.
We asked Rosenstein, Hamilton, and Whitaker about DOJ headquarters’ understanding of the family separation process and their views on whether the process broke down. Rosenstein stated that he learned of the difficulties related to the separation of families after the zero tolerance policy was issued. He stated that he participated in discussions to consider whether it would be possible to prosecute family unit adults “the same day” so that separated family members could be reunited shortly after the prosecution. “My thought was maybe we just release [the defendant] back to DHS and they can just hold the kid for a few hours while the parent was in court, and then they would be back together that night.”
Based on our interviews and document review, the OIG found no evidence that DOJ leadership engaged in discussions with the U.S. Attorneys, the USMS, or DHS, prior to the implementation of the zero tolerance policy, about a process for expediting prosecutions of family unit adults so that child separations would not occur.“
Suspected human traffickers were already an enforcement priority at the border. In fact, prioritizing smugglers and traffickers instead of families was one of the many reasons why not every person who was picked up at the border was immediately prosecuted (as with the zero tolerance policy): it was a waste of time and resources.
And funny enough all the issues focusing on the border went away when Biden came on and they still are not fixed because those who bashed Bush rarely fight against their own team.
Oh, no, that is still an ongoing problem. I know recently there was a huge uproar (on my corner of the internet, at least) over Kamala Harris being sent to the border as a totally useless gesture and accomplishing nothing to help immigrants.
My opinion is better reform is needed and we base it on the Norway style of comfort because they did something illegal and they must address it in a way that respects law.
I’m sincerely glad that you have that opinion. But I do want to point something out here: a lot of people who are against prison reform will say that prison reform prevents people from respecting the law, because, to them, the experience of being punished is what creates the respect.
Funny you say conservatives speak in absolutes because I see progressives think in things like that on issues they feel about and demonize anyone who disagrees with them.
I’m not saying that conservatives speak in absolutes, I’m not Obi Wan Kenobi. I’m saying that progressives and conservatives have a fundamentally different understanding of both how evil works and how to combat it.
And it’s funny you say liberals value life then support abortion who often are aborted for things like disability and gender.
As compared to the conservative ideal of people dying or being disabled due to pregnancy? Okay.
A big problem with progressives is that they think their way of compassion is the only way and some are willing to limit if you are not in their tribe. Despite claiming you have conservatives down you only have stereotypes born of self righteous ignorance.
As if this wasn’t a self-righteous rant, lol.
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