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no no trust me THIS system of categorizing people into one of two categories with no nuance will work perfectly

"but have you considered that MY system of categorizing people into one of two categories with no nuance isn't what this post is about"

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so someone added the following response to this post:

TME/TMA is not about splitting people into two categories. It's about bringing awareness to the extremely current and pressing issue of transmisoginy [sic] (like this post right here) by saying whether you're affected by it (every transfem) or not affected by it (everyone who isn't transfem). Its not a binary in the sense of forcing people to be something they aren't, it's a binary in the sense of whether you face transmisoginy [sic] firsthand. It's not an end all be all of identity, and hopefully it doesn't have to stick around forever. But we will only stop using it when the queer community starts listening to and respecting trans women, which will never happen if people like you refuse to learn. Yes, were taking up space in the community. Yes, it feels inconvenient for TMA people. That's the damn point. But making noise is the only way people will pay attention to transmisoginy [sic].

and i wanna preface this by saying do not go into the reblogs and find the person who said this and harass them. i think 19 year olds are allowed to be angry at the world and wrong and i don't think they should be harassed for that

but that being said. normally i wouldn't comment on this kinda thing but im going to in this instance because this is exactly the fucking thing i'm talking about

you can't say "TME/TMA is not about splitting people into two categories" and then also say "whether you're affected by it (every transfem) or not affected by it (everyone who isn't transfem)"! that is quite literally two categories that you are splitting people into!

also to be clear this post is not an example of transmisogyny. a trans woman* who is older than you and has more life experience than you saying "i personally dislike this framework and think it lacks nuance about how transmisogyny operates based on my life experiences as a trans woman" is not actually transmisogynistic and this thing where we just call people disagreeing with us transmisogyny is part of why this website is so stupid about it

(one of) the reason(s) there are transfeminists** on this website who complain about it is because it lacks nuance! hey that's what the original post is about! before we even talk about how it could be construed as intersexist or how people use "tme" specifically to mean transmascs on here, we're just gonna talk about how it's not even that good at doing what it's supposed to do because whether someone is affected by transmisogyny isn't a binary value. sometimes people are and sometimes they aren't. sometimes people are but only around certain people. it's not a boolean and the distribution is certainly not every transfem is and everyone else is not, good lord

*yes, there are trans women who don't like the tme/tma framework! crazy since its defenders love saying people who dislike it are secretly transmascs pretending to be trans women, which definitely isn't transmisogynistic or anything

**transfeminism is actually a coherent set of beliefs and not "that trans woman agrees with me". i know that's kinda hard to believe. and much like feminism as a rule, there's all kinds of minute variations in what transfeminists believe! isn't that crazy?

nobodys-odyssey

If I'm ontologically evil for thinking a pop star is gay then I wear that badge with pride send me to hell brothers

witnotwitchcraft

youre not evil its just parasocial and a little pathetic. she wrote a song about sucking her bfs dick. there are out queer women doing far more for the community than swift has ever done.

inkskinned

Every day I handle more money than I will ever make. Every day.

At the start of my employment, my boss showed me videos of people stealing, and we both had a chuckle about it. How silly they were! There was a camera overhead, and it’s not to watch the shoppers. See, we can’t actually stop shoplifters. They get away with it maybe nine out of ten times. But we, who are watched and tallied and witnessed? We are always caught.

At first it was hard to hold one hundred dollars bills. An amount I had never seen before. An amount that didn’t exist in my household. It’s normal now. Here is something that is not for me.

“What the hell, I’ll take another,” says the man, pondering our 200 dollar watches. What the hell. Total comes to 580 and not even a flinch in his face. I have been working for 11 hours today and made only 110 dollars. It will go to my rent. Today I work for free, it feels. When I get my check, I will have 35 dollars left for food and saving.

The six hundreds he hands me go into the cash register. For a moment, I imagine having money. Then I put it away, counting out his change.

I know for a fact we sell our products for double what they are worth. That I could be making commission. That they could hand me those 580 dollars and change my life and not even mark the difference in their checkbooks. He’s not the only sale they make today, but I am the reason they made it. He’s not the only one spending 600 dollars, but if I hadn’t spent two hours with him telling me about his life, he wouldn’t have spent any. I go home. I don’t own a watch.

I have watched and rewatched a video on how to make salmon four ways. My shopping list is always the same. Pasta. Rice. Tuna. If I can afford butter it was a good week. I dream of the world I will never walk in, where I can throw the best fish fillet in the cart with a shrug. I hold hundreds in my hand and look up at the camera. I put them under the cash drawer.

I go to work. I scrap together my savings. I eat my bowl of rice slowly. My manager takes a paid week off from work just for his birthday. He owns a yacht.

I’m not worth the cost of a watch.

inkskinned

i wrote this while i was working at orlando’s walt disney world parks.

i was part of their college program. i moved to the state for it. they legally owned the building i was living in and still charged me rent. i ostensibly was being charged to work for them. it was a 2 bedroom apartment and they placed 6 adult women in it in forced triples.

as many as one in ten disney employees have experienced homelessness while working for the company. despite huge efforts to unionize, strike, or otherwise demand fair treatment; disney has refused to increase employee quality of life.

disney admits publicly that a good portion of their success is because the employees (“cast members”) are dedicated, passionate, and selfless. this is never reflected in pay. even “face” characters (ie those that are princesses etc) make barely above a minimum wage.

at the time that i worked there, i made $8.50 an hour. at one point i was asked to create a human shield around a bag because a bomb dog had alerted to it. for eight fucking dollars an hour.

i now work a very cushy office job. i have bought the salmon and cooked it all four ways.

i go to the store. i am nice to the person behind the counter. she looks up at the camera while she counts out my change. there is nothing fundamentally different about her and i.

we are both worth more than the watch, anyway.

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ichatcomputers

After they fuse together:

witnotwitchcraft

thats dan dimmadome, son of dawn and doug

pseudomantis

we should start giving testosterone to ants

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assortedinsanities

We are currently having minor ant issues in the kitchen, I'll drop some T for them on the floor and update you all 🐜

witnotwitchcraft

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ot3

i think a new rule of engagement we should have for discourse is that any time someone says "the lesbian community" "the trans community" "the queer community" or something of that ilk you just dead stop the conversation in its tracks until they have successfully explained what group of people they're trying to refer to with this. because there is no such thing as a 'community' that every lesbian, or every trans person, or every queer person automatically belongs to/participates in, and acting like there is, or that we are all otherwise on the same page about which people these 'communities' actually consist of, lets people do a whole lot of lazy generalization that doesn't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

witnotwitchcraft

...we call the queer community a community because we are choosing to band together for safety and support. it is not woke to say "actually its every man for himself! i have nothing in common with the rest of you freaks!"

ot3

ok. well is "we" in this instance Every Single Queer Person on the planet, or are you perhaps doing a bit of generalization that won't stand up to being scrutinized. dont you think there could be some benefit to attempting to establish which people have made that choice you're referring to, and whose safety they are prioritizing. because if you have to make the choice to do this, then it categorically doesn't include everyone. and if it categorically doesn't include everyone, then conversation only stands to benefit by clarifying who it does include.

witnotwitchcraft

literally no one is able to speak for "every X person on the planet", that gotcha expired three years ago.

"we" refers to anyone who is fighting beside me. self inclusion and self exclusion are copacetic concepts.

i understand the danger of generalizations but if you lean too far in the other direction you get people trying to establish a literal gay card and set of criteria that is Queer Enough.

do you have a specific example of this generalizing language being utilized in a harmful way? it largely seems that language is being used by people being people and speaking in general terms about broad subjects

ot3

when did i say anyone was or wasn't queer enough? this isn't about deciding who does or doesn't actually count as queer this is saying that people are not automatically in community with each other by sharing an orientation label.

here's some examples of how these phrases are used that i don't like:

"the queer community needs to remember our history!" which history? in practice, on tumblr at least, almost always the american lgbt movement. i think its wrong to imply that american queer history Is queer history, and not just the history of queerness in one corner of the world. i think expecting any and everyone to both know and be deferential to the history of the american lgbt movement just because they are queer and speak english, regardless of whether or not thats actually their history, is weird nationalist behavior.

"the trans community has too much infighting" this is a statement that serves to imply that trans people are not allowed to have or capable of having legitimate ideological conflict with each other. it's frequently used to paint trans women specifically as instigators of meaningless internet drama, and completely discredit the critiques they have of the way they're treated by people who are supposedly 'in community' with them

i think pretty much every time "the lesbian community" with no further qualifiers is rhetorically used in a discussion it's been at best meaningless but often actually harmful, because understanding of lesbian identity has long been pretty heavily split between people who are using bioessentialist ideas about who actually Counts as a lesbian and people who aren't. i am not in community with twerfs and never will be, and i think trying to understand or portray lesbianism as a "community" without factoring in these peoples' presence just throws trans women under the bus.

"we refers to anyone who is fighting beside me" is literally a meaningless statement to make to a stranger. i dont know who you are. i don't know what you're fighting for. i dont know what someone has to do to qualify as being beside you. that clarifies nothing. the problem isn't broadness of the category, it is the complete lack of specificity regarding the criteria used to categorize. i'm not trying to gatekeep or police anyone, i'm just saying if you're trying to have a conversation about groups of people, you need to make sure whoever you're addressing can understand who is being rhetorically included in that group.

witnotwitchcraft

it seems like your complaint boils down to "im mad people arent more specific sometimes" and like. yeah sure. this isnt a queer issue tho.

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ot3

i think a new rule of engagement we should have for discourse is that any time someone says "the lesbian community" "the trans community" "the queer community" or something of that ilk you just dead stop the conversation in its tracks until they have successfully explained what group of people they're trying to refer to with this. because there is no such thing as a 'community' that every lesbian, or every trans person, or every queer person automatically belongs to/participates in, and acting like there is, or that we are all otherwise on the same page about which people these 'communities' actually consist of, lets people do a whole lot of lazy generalization that doesn't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

witnotwitchcraft

...we call the queer community a community because we are choosing to band together for safety and support. it is not woke to say "actually its every man for himself! i have nothing in common with the rest of you freaks!"

ot3

ok. well is "we" in this instance Every Single Queer Person on the planet, or are you perhaps doing a bit of generalization that won't stand up to being scrutinized. dont you think there could be some benefit to attempting to establish which people have made that choice you're referring to, and whose safety they are prioritizing. because if you have to make the choice to do this, then it categorically doesn't include everyone. and if it categorically doesn't include everyone, then conversation only stands to benefit by clarifying who it does include.

witnotwitchcraft

literally no one is able to speak for "every X person on the planet", that gotcha expired three years ago.

"we" refers to anyone who is fighting beside me. self inclusion and self exclusion are copacetic concepts.

i understand the danger of generalizations but if you lean too far in the other direction you get people trying to establish a literal gay card and set of criteria that is Queer Enough.

do you have a specific example of this generalizing language being utilized in a harmful way? it largely seems that language is being used by people being people and speaking in general terms about broad subjects

chubbymuffinclub

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Overall, the current evidence and marketing practices obscure significant limitations and risks, undermining informed consent and exaggerating the drugs’ long-term effectiveness and safety.

ot3

i think a new rule of engagement we should have for discourse is that any time someone says "the lesbian community" "the trans community" "the queer community" or something of that ilk you just dead stop the conversation in its tracks until they have successfully explained what group of people they're trying to refer to with this. because there is no such thing as a 'community' that every lesbian, or every trans person, or every queer person automatically belongs to/participates in, and acting like there is, or that we are all otherwise on the same page about which people these 'communities' actually consist of, lets people do a whole lot of lazy generalization that doesn't hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

witnotwitchcraft

...we call the queer community a community because we are choosing to band together for safety and support. it is not woke to say "actually its every man for himself! i have nothing in common with the rest of you freaks!"

nariarts

Longtime readers may be aware of how much I relish an excuse to bully a company, so I'm sharing the wealth;

Clothing company Patagonia is currently sueing drag queen Pattie Gonia for "irreparable” harm to their brand.

To be clear; Pattie named herself after the region in South America.

So Pattie is asking people to politely ask Patagonia to drop the lawsuit.

I'm extending the invitation to all of you, because sueing a drag queen for 'infringement' in the current political cultural landscape is vile. Especially a drag queen who has raised millions of dollars for non-profits, uses her platform to raise awareness for climate activism, and fully aligns with Patagonia's apparent climate-conscious mission statement.

They're claiming they're sueing for $1. They're actually asking her to stop using her name, and pay over $1 million in legal fees. They're straight up harassing her.

In contrast, drag queen Jan Sport has a Jansport bag line. It's that easy to just... work with a queen.

Anyway. Be respectful(ish), but feel free to be annoying on Patagnoia's socials, asking them to 'DROP THE LAWSUIT'

I think they have a twitter and tiktok too!

shadow-manor

This is being discussed heavily on Bluesky, such as here.

Patagonia is suing specifically for trademark infringement, and they're suing for the sum of $1. If they don't sue, then that means they could lose the trademark. They aren't trying to "silence" them or prevent them from using the name, they're specifically protecting their company trademark. They'd have to sue *anyone* who was using such an obvious knockoff of their logo; in this case it happens to be a drag queen.

batmanisagatewaydrug

you'll have to forgive me for not weeping for a billion dollar company's trademark being violated

shadow-manor

Go nuts. The point is that this isn't a company trying to dogpile on a drag queen, it's a company following a standard legal practice to protect its trademark. Disney does it all the time.

batmanisagatewaydrug

... yes, and I also hate Disney? I don't understand what you think you're selling me on here

shadow-manor

If you get a soda out of a vending machine and it has a Coca-Cola label but it's actually a knockoff made with ditchwater, that's obviously okay because Coca-Cola is a huge corporation and it's thus fine for someone to violate their trademark.

You can hate Patagonia all you want, but the lawsuit is about anodyne trademark law, not specifically that a drag queen is involved.

batmanisagatewaydrug

and what part of Miss Gonia's schtick is doing the harm equivalent of tricking someone into drinking ditchwater exactly?

shadow-manor

...the trademark part.

batmanisagatewaydrug

right, okay, I forgot that she's singlehandedly putting Patagonia out of business by using a silly joke name

netherator

if Patagonia loses their trademark, which they would if they didn't sue and win (again for one dollar), there would be no assurance against people putting a Patagonia label on amy dogshit

batmanisagatewaydrug

well I hope Amy Dogshit enjoys wearing the label I think she'll look very nice

kitsunekat9

Oh my fucking god y’all bootlickers are driving me crazy.

I’m a law student specializing in Intellectual Property, which includes Copyright and Trademark. I’ve studied these subjects and the law is clear that everything y’all said about Patagonia “losing the trademark” if they don’t sue Ms. Pattie is absolute bullshit.

Trademarks are only lost if they are abandoned by the user or if the product made by the company becomes so ubiquitous, everyday, and common that people start calling all types of that product by the trademark name. This is called genericide, because the trademark has become so generic, it is no longer an indicator of one singular source. Think Band-Aid or Thermos; we use those terms to refer to the generic products they’re associated with. We call pretty much all sticky bandages Band-Aids and all containers used to keep things warm in Thermoses.

What Patagonia is doing is actually closer to suing for trademark infringement based on tarnishment, which means the infringer is using the trademark name in a way that makes the company look bad or associates the company with things like drugs or pornography. Queen Pattie Gonia is someone who raises awareness for climate and environmental activism. Nothing about Miss Gonia’s use of the name tarnishes Patagonia’s brand.

The only possible argument the company has is that Miss Gonia’s queer identity could be seen as not “adult-friendly” but that very quickly slides into homophobic and moralistic territory that will absolutely be shot down by the court based on First Amendment rights. People are allowed to use “not safe for work names,” based on caselaw that states that “labels that are disparaging or morally offensive” are a violation of free speech because it’s people’s choice to say and use those names. For example, an all-Asian band applied for the trademark name “The Chinks” because they were taking the racially disparaging name and reclaiming it. The Trademark Office attempted to refuse to grant the band’s trademark, and when the band sued, the Supreme Court sided with the band.

That got off on a little bit of a tangent, but the long and short of it is this: Patagonia has absolutely no basis for a trademark name. Any IP lawyer would say the same. The reason Patagonia is getting away with a frivolous suit like this is because they know their target is a member of a vulnerable minority. Miss Gonia is 100% correct that they are trying to bully her because they know she doesn’t have the money to withstand a years-long expensive lawsuit.

It’s because of idiotic bootlickers who kiss companies’ asses like this that big corporations can get away with hurting independent creators. Patagonia does not have any chance at winning, but they know that just by filing and announcing their lawsuit against Miss Gonia, they are putting pressure on her to give up. If this lawsuit goes on, even if it doesn’t make it to court and just goes to a judge for a quick summary judgment, Miss Gonia would still have to pay for a lawyer to defend her and lawyers cost more money than the average person has. Miss Gonia would win, but because Patagonia set the damages for $1, even if she did win, she’d still end up in debt because in America, the typical rule is that each party pays for the cost of their own attorney’s fees. The only time the opposing side would pay your lawyer’s fees is if you have a contract with them that says so, and that’s usually only used in contracts between businesses or high profile individuals.

What Patagonia is doing is capitalizing on society’s hatred for queer people and anyone resembling a trans woman. Miss Gonia is a drag queen, not trans as far as I’m aware (though please do correct me if I’m wrong) but it’s not like a big company cares to differentiate; they’re just mad that a queer person is using their name in a way they don’t like. Patagonia knows that this particular population has been facing harsh discrimination in society currently. By siding with them, people are actively harming the queer community. Don’t pretend to hide behind trademark law to cover up your prejudices.

witnotwitchcraft

patagonia is a south american geographical region. the company does not own the rights to that name. them suing pattie is insane. would you sue someone named Brooklyn for besmirching new york?

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witnotwitchcraft

this man photoshopped out one nipple ring and nipple

my dashboard fused this ad with the post so i thought it was all one thing

monidoll

its kinda hard to celebrate trans day of visibility because the visibility we're getting lately is like

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fluoresensitives

(smoking a cigarette) the average american is afraid of what is new and what is foreign, and especially of what is adult. they are trapped forever in daycares of their own design, reading books and watching shows made for children. And while there are interesting things made for children, by and large, they tend to stick to inoffensive, intensely juvenile things that won't challenge them much. And worst of all, if you suggest to your Average American that they should try to step outside of their narrow box, especially if they're trying to become artists, animators, film makers, novelists, etc, everyone acts as if you've just bombed the daycare. Wow.