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what would a ttrpg that prioritizes roleplay and actually functions as such look like? i've played a few that claim to be "rp forward" and every time the mechanics meant to facilitate roleplay ended up impeding it - and meanwhile i've had perfectly rewarding rp experiences in crunchier systems with no mechanical social encounter support at all. is there really a way to build rp into a system that works, or is it just a unicorn idea?
"Proiritising roleplaying" doesn't mean anything – it's a piece of vacuous marketing text targeted at people who've constructed their identity politics upon arguing about the correct way to pretend to be an elf.
The basic problem is that the term "roleplaying" is, itself, not well defined; in practice, it means whatever the person trying to sell you something wants it to mean. Here, for example, by invoking the presence or absence of "mechanical social encounter support" as the distinguishing feature of self-styled "RP forward" systems, you seem to be implicitly defining "roleplaying" to mean "set-piece encounters in which a player character attempts to persuade an NPC to do something for them without resorting to violence". Is this justified? Is playing out the process of hitting each other with sticks not "roleplaying"? Why not?
What most people mean when they toss the term "roleplaying" around in the context of tabletop games is something in the vicinity of "roleplaying is when we do things I'm interested in doing, and not-roleplaying is when we do things I'm not interested in doing". As all game rules are unavoidably opinionated about what player characters ought to spend their time doing – indeed, arguably this is the only thing that rules can meaningfully express opinions about! – the question of "does this system 'prioritise roleplaying'?" is typically reducible to "does this system agree with me about what kind of game I'm playing?". Games are then sorted into "priorities roleplaying" and "does not prioritise roleplaying" based on which side of the answer to that question they fall on for the person doing the sorting.
This is the ultimate root of a lot of this "the best sessions I ever had never touched the rules at all" stuff. For a variety of reasons, many people have genuinely never experienced playing a tabletop RPG whose rules agree with them about what sort of experience of play they ought to be having, and in some cases they can't even imagine what that would look like. If you and the system you're using disagree so badly about what kind of game you're playing that "engaging with the rules" and "engaging with my desired experience of play" are mutually exclusive activities, it's not surprising that ignoring the rules entirely would be your best play.
In this light, your question of "what would a system that really prioritises roleplaying look like?" translates to "what would a system that actually agrees with me about what kind of game I'm playing look like?", and that's not a question I can answer unless you're willing and able to get a lot more rigorous about what you mean when you say "roleplaying".
Here, for example, by invoking the presence or absence of "mechanical social encounter support" as the distinguishing feature of self-styled "RP forward" systems, you seem to be implicitly defining "roleplaying" to mean "set-piece encounters in which a player character attempts to persuade an NPC to do something for them without resorting to violence".
well, no, i was actually thinking about scenarios like navigating a ball/gala type event and exploring the plot through verbal conversation, but i suppose i didn't say that, so fine, egg on my face
i ask this because i've been thinking a lot about why i keep bouncing off games like Blades in the Dark and Monster of the Week, both of which like to bill themselves as "rp forward". there's a lot of tools and toys to play with in terms of social encounters for both of those games, to be applied in heist and monster mystery situations, respectively, so i think we can safely say that we're aware of what the rules want to be doing in this instance, and are broadly in agreement with them.
but in practice, i often forget that i even have those tools, or the conversation regularly grinds to a halt while people review their abilities lists, and it's just.... weirdly exhausting. and i keep thinking that surely there must be a better way, but i'm not a game designer, so fuck me if i know what that better way might look like. hence, asking an expert.
i suppose we do need more precise terminology, because yeah "roleplaying" is technically applicable to any aspect of game engagement you can think of. "navigating social situations" is slightly narrower, but maybe just "having a conversation" is what we're after. and maybe part of the problem is that most people are already halfway proficient at having a conversation? in ways that we're not proficient at the aforementioned hitting each other with sticks. so we can just Do It without needing to abstract parts of the process into dice rolls and hit points, because we can just observe what the other guy says and then decide how our character feels about it and how they want to respond.
so is the answer to this just "roleplay is a fake category, and none of it matters"? surely that can't be it. surely someone must know what they're doing here, and can come up with a framework to gamify Having A Conversation in a functional and satisfying way.
I agree that this would be easier to answer with a clearer idea of what you want, but I also think both having and articulating that clearer idea can be really difficult if you haven’t encountered games so far that scratched that itch for you! Have you played any Firebrands hacks?
These are extremely rules-lite and bill themselves as no-prep. The rules consist of a set of minigames that cover the expected scenarios in your plot and genre context, most of which involve engaging with an opponent or enemy in some way. Guys & Brands is a hack that takes place in the anime Neo Yokio, where you play as either a shitty socialite or a working-class demon-hunting hacker, and your goal is to improve your standing in the list of eligible bachelors (gender-neutral). Minigames include dinner conversations that potentially progress the plot and interviews where you score cheap points off one another.
Divine/Mundane is a version inspired by western mythology, where players play as gods or epic heroes with interpersonal conflicts and dramas. Minigames include a dance with potential romantic tension and 1v1 fights.
If you want to try before you buy, some of the big itch.io bundles in the past have included Firebrands hacks like Dragonhearts and Ocean Tides. Hierophants is pay-what-you-want, though I’ve never played or read it and can’t attest to its quality. Ditto for We Became Seabirds.
If you end up playing and enjoying the minigames but wish they had more of a campaign structure you can follow instead of either spinning plot yourself or having the game peter out after 2 sessions (the original Firebrands was designed to be played during downtime, and most hacks lend themselves better to one- or two-shots), you might want to check out Stewpot and its hacks. Our Travelling Home especially has some solid scaffolding and very explicit requirements about what player characters will be doing, but surprisingly there’s plenty of room for plot differences even so. Theres a clear two-act structure with official endings and plot arcs.
If you instead find that Firebrands hacks don’t have enough mechanical support for the kinds of galas or conversations you’re looking for (if you want crunchier consequences for conversations, or alternatively if you want there to be more NPCs involved), let me know what’s missing and I can find a different system that better fits it! The main difficulty in “gamifying having a conversation in a functional and satisfying way” is that what counts as ‘satisfying’ really depends on the player. If you test out some of these rules-lite games that focus on interpersonal interactions, it can be clearer what counts or doesn’t count as ‘satisfying’ to you, and we can work from there!
My mom, in honor of her late crush Robert Redford, is watching all of his films. Tonight is the classic RomCom CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER.
The Robert Redford Memorial Movie Marathon continues - we watched the classic RomCom The Great Gatsby the other day. Quite faithful to the book. Redford is a very pretty man. (The ending swimming pool scene must be a different viewing experience for people who are personally moved by male beauty vs those who aren't, because I kinda lost track of the Doom what with the bathing suit and soft, wistful looks.) And the scary old neighbor with the shovel from Home Alone is Gatsby's dad!
The one we haven't got to yet and which I really ought to for several reasons is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid; someone remind me to follow up with Mom on this.
Re: tags — All the President’s Men! We watched that one in journalism class. It was good!! I remember not thinking Redford was attractive at all, though. Maybe I’m just not into journalists 😆
i saw this somewhere else but reply / tag what you did today so everyone can see that we all did something different today
how much editing do you tend to do for fanfics? i don't really edit fics extensively - i do an editing pass or two, or more if the fic needs it, but doing any more, for me, that'd tip the scales from 'something i do for fun' to 'work', but i'm curious what other people's approaches are
I’m in the middle of reading Rebecca right now and keep thinking of you while reading it. Not sure if you’d appreciate surface-level thoughts or find them annoying, but in case they’re fun, I think from the way it was sold to me I expected more of a haunted house story, except so far (I’m about a quarter of the way in) it could just as well be a perfectly ordinary house with zero supernatural ghosts. And that’s fascinating too, because it’s… how grief/death works. Someone used to live here, made a daily routine and many close relationships, and made at least one room of the house her own. Now, the new bride is marrying into the old house, and her husband still feels intense grief for his late wife, and that affects their marriage. The dogs remember the late wife, and that affects her relationship with them. The entire staff remembers the late wife, and that creates a set of expectations that, regardless of their intent, makes her feel like an interloper. And, of course, the way the rooms are furnished and the place where the late wife died — all of it says “You are not the first to be here, you are stepping into a place where this person left behind many, many imprints and now she is dead.” There’s also the whole Downton Abbey deal with being a commoner who married way up and doesn’t know how to do anything that noblewomen are supposed to do. At first I was a little disappointed that there wasn’t any real haunting, but I’m starting to come around on how.. the dead can haunt the living without ever being a real ghost, and that’s very profound and true. Still, I can’t imagine being willing to “give my five senses” to avoid that sort of haunting. How would you even function then? One or two senses, maybe; but then I think I’d be haunted by that loss. But I’m only 25% in, there’s still plenty of opportunity for things to get much, much worse.
Apologies if there were unwanted spoilers; I’m assuming you’ve already read Rebecca because… well. The book seems to scream that it’s the kind of thing you read and enjoyed a long time ago.
Yes, I read it! It's one of my favorite Gothics for exactly the reasons you mention, though of course, I find that haunting less horrifying than sensual, both emotionally and physically intimate. Original x The Second Mrs de Winter OTP, and someone please toss Maxim off that cliff in Monte Carlo. Though I probably shouldn't get too detailed about my opinions if you're only partway through.
I recall having this thought around the time I read Rebecca but your ask reminds me how little distinction there truly is between supernatural ghost Gothic and psychological Gothic. And then, many original Gothics like Anne Radcliffe's novels, Castle of Otranto, and Jane Eyes are all in the latter camp (IIRC - I might be misremembering either Otranto or Radcliffe, but I know at least one of them has a materialist explanation for everything). The more recent wave in the 1970s and 1980s leans a bit more supernatural, but I don't think much of it relies on supernatural powers to carry the tale -- it's ultimately about the people. And when you have a setup as perfectly, thoroughly haunted as Rebecca, I'm not sure what a ectoplasm-and-blood ghost could even add to the story. Though Wuthering Heights is one of the original Gothics that does have a 'real' ghost, there to do things that the living people couldn't do beyond their deaths. I suppose that's something to watch for as you read on to the end of Rebecca--how much power is that woman still able to exert, beyond her death? If she was ectoplasmically present, what would she even need to do to make things turn out differently?
The one novel I've read in which the two Mrs De Winters kiss does involve a touch of the supernatural, a time-travelling vision, because Rebecca can't kiss her successor without it! I believe the title of that one is Rebecca's Tale by Sally Beauman. Some might accuse it of making Rebecca overly sympathetic, but I think even in the original tale, Du Maurier has to rely a lot on faith in her audience's cynicism, plus misogyny, to convince us Rebecca is so bad. But damn was she an excellent writer. If you enjoy Rebecca, there are several other novels by her to check out. Including at least one with time travel, The House on the Strand. I found Jamaica Inn an entertaining page-turner (the villain has some great lines at the end even though he's writing cosmic horror checks he can't cash), The King's General is an interesting historical about the British Civil War with some Gothic secret rooms, and My Cousin Rachel is one of my favorites even as I find it painful to reread; I'd call it a take on Rebecca that's more sympathetic to Rebecca, while remaining tragically unfair to her (maybe?).
[Perhaps ironically, I am currently reading a book about 'real ghosts,' Allan Kellehear's Visions at the End of Life. He would probably frown at me for saying "ghosts" but oh well. They're dead people who visit, why can't I call them that? I'm pretty certain the phenomenon of deathbed and bereavement visions has inspired depictions of ghosts in fiction over the years, and in any event it's quite interesting! Though real ghosts tend to be too well-behaved (so behaved that Kellehear, a sociologist, can write this book about the patterns of their behavior) to make for good horror fiction.]
Coming back to this after finishing Rebecca for the second time, and…
I think my take on whether Rebecca was actually so bad is that she was and I support and love her for it >:)
Yes, Maxim is misogynistic and born and raised in this old patriarchal society, and clearly likes his women shy and docile and inexperienced; but even Danny, who adored Rebecca and is sympathetic to her, suggests that she was incredibly cunning and never loved a man but played with all their hearts for fun. And!!! That’s very sexy of her. I also fully think she knew everything Maxim thought of her, and that’s how she managed the suicide-by-jealous-husband. Good for her!!!
This isn’t my take for any deep analytical or historically researched reason. I just think Rebecca is hotter if she was a Magnificent Bitch. Cunning, manipulative, trickster, never loved but loved to be loved… all the modern villainesses WISH they could.
Certainly, we have all seen booktok confess to the most deranged behavior, so i will believe almost any ludicrous story about them.
However, I have also found that it is a genuine phenomenon where people who don’t read very much are convinced that nobody actually enjoys reading and one way this manifests online is people insisting that people who read more than they do, even when they themselves are not readers, are lying, cheating, disassociating, etc. So, to see someone make a claim about about booktok while also asserting that reading 30 books in an entire year is some kind of unheard of achievement, then maybe that is another non-reader with a bizarre and paranoid hang up about readers.
How about instead of trying to separate people into “readers and non-readers” (what I’m reading as yet another flavour of good vs bad), we meet people where they are and discuss what they’re reading and enjoying so we can offer suggestions.
That would be lovely, yes, please.
I mean sure, we should always try to avoid making one’s actions into one’s identity. But I think part of the problem is treating “reader” as meaning “good person” and not “person who reads a lot and enjoys reading.” It’s not insulting to say that someone who genuinely finds it shocking and unbelievable that a person could read in an entire year the number of books I read last month does not have the same relationship to reading as a hobby that I do. Insisting that we not see this as a difference because actually nobody really enjoys reading and that people who claim to do so are morally shaming others is exactly what I’m complaining about.
I know non-readers feel shame in this discourse, but most of us live in the real world where the average coworker or relative looks at you like you’re crazy for being excited about going to the library.
The other thing about meeting my wife on this website is I've seen multiple friends today reblog a post about how some mutuals you eventually transition to using their given name and some you never do, and the thing is. The woman I am legally married to is in the latter category.
The serious reason I have reservations about referring to someone doing art or writing in response to a shitpost as "fanfic" of that post is it feels like it's contributing to the erosion of the term "fanfic" to mean "any media that's in conversation with any other media", which is functionally meaningless because all media is in conversation with other media. At best it's a prompt fill.
The unserious reason is that if doing some writing in response to a Tumblr shitpost counts as as fanfic of that post, the list of people who've written fanfic based on my work includes Eliezer Yudkowski, and I'm not 100% sure how I feel about that.
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Why does “falling in love” have pretty much exclusively romantic connotations it’s such a good phrase. I’ve fallen in love with every single one of my friends
This was such a smart post to make because every day I get to see people declaring their love for their friends in the tags. Such a simple but sweet “restoring faith in humanity” kind of thing. We’re all just little creatures who love our buddies <3
Alright so this post has gotten over 5,000 notes in a month and I think that means the consensus is that everyone loves their friends and you should tell them
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What Your Favorite Dracula Says About You - Part VI
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"everyone should get more aromantic" can appeal to tumblr's sensibilities but I genuinely think everyone should also get more asexual. I don't mean everyone stop having sex, what I mean is
Sex is not essential. You can live without it. Full stop.
Not having sex isn't shameful or a sign of failure. It also doesn't make anyone boring.
You are not entitled to having sex with anybody and nobody is entitled to having sex with you.
Sex is not what makes someone an adult.
Nobody's worth is defined by how much sex they have or don't have.
Sex is not equally important to everyone.
You can have fulfilling and happy relationships without sex.
You should only have sex on your own terms, not because you feel like you owe it to someone, or because you feel like you'd be incomplete without it.
Know your boundaries around sex and be firm about them. Know how to respect other people's boundaries.
The previous point also applies when it comes to discussing sex. If someone doesn't wanna talk about it or hear about it you have to back down.
Anything can be sexual but not everything has to be sexual.
Possibly a slight tangent but this is why I hate Jimmy Kimmel.
I still supported him and opposed his cancellation, because he should be allowed to speak freely like everyone else on television. But. He sucks.
Pretty much every episode you’ll get a joke that makes it completely obvious he has this wannabe frat bro mentality towards sex and sexuality, like he’s been stuck in trying to live a more popular version of his college years and hasn’t matured since graduating.
He’ll try to insult someone, and the big all-caps punchline is “Well, this guy is A VIRGIN!!!”
He’ll get in a slap fight, and the best diss he comes up with is “Yeah, well, you probably MASTURBATE!”
His attitude towards “getting laid” is that it’s an achievement to brag about, and “not getting laid” is a funny insult to use on people he doesn’t like.
He’s not the only one, of course. Comedians like him tend to reflect the attitudes of the society and audience they swim in, so it’s a clear indication that there are big groups of U.S. society at least that have these toxic views around sex.
But! It’s bad and everyone needs to get way better about it.
Incredibly violent take of mine but I actually don’t think you need to relate to a story in any way to enjoy it. You can enjoy a story even if you can’t point at a character and insert some aspect of your personality or identity into them. In fact I would argue the need for a character like that to be present in every single story you experience is a sign of stunted growth.
Meanwhile I have the opposite opinion: Every story written by a human has human traits present in it. Without exception. If a story has characters embodying the text, every character will have something that’s influenced by human minds.
If a reader has difficulty finding aspects of characters to relate to, that is a sign of low empathy. Which is not an inherently bad thing, but does limit their ability to comprehend the story.
not every mutual fits neatly into an archetypal medievalism but there are some mutuals that im like yeah addressing you as “my liege” would come strangely naturally
what mutual is prev
my liege lord
my loyal knight
my wise wizard
my evil advisor
my brother in arms
my lady muse
my wild mermaid friend
my fellow alchemist
my dashing rapscallion
my monstrous foe
i like to consider myself the 'eric bogosian' of my tumblr mutuals