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Hi I was wondering if you have heard about the new Season 17 episode called Plankton's Squeeze Play. It says on the Spongebob Wiki that the episode is about Squidward and Plankton doing a body swap so Plankton can try get the formula. It sounds like it will be a fun episode
I HAD heard about it and you reminded me. I'll have to see how it is when the episode airs to make judgement, but I'm a little nervous for it? Just because those guys as a duo mean a lot to me with my AU and such like this, and in some of the past episodes, they haven't done it justice. Chum Fricassee did it nicely! Would've been good to be more in-depth, but it was a good start!
I saw a clip of the most recent one (Who's Afriad of Mr Snippers?), and I diiiidn't really like it. Some of the clips from the recent season I've seen have been suffering from one-dimensionality and I don't know if that carries through the rest of Season 16 as I've not watched it all yet, but it affected the dynamic for me. A lot of the character's decisions used to be very emotionally-charged and more thought-out in my opinion. That doesn't mean all modern SpongeBob is bad - there are very good episodes, and it's almost like the show goes through a repeated period of having a few really good reasons, some mid seasons, bad ones, and then back to good. Hopefully Season 17 portrays them mroe how I'd imagine.
Don't get me wrong, they'd argue and bicker, but in the clip it felt... forced?
Egos are a big part of their characters, yes, but this episode also forgot that this is a reason they're SIMILAR, too. Working together grants them the best outcome for them BOTH to be appreciated, and whilst that could also be something they learnt throughout the course of the episode, I checked the description of events on the fandom wiki and it looks like they just argue most of the time and don't learn anything/have any arc together. (That and, with their character types - Plankton is active, Squidward is reactive - it doesn't make sense for them to clash THIS badly, especially if you're trying to make it actually funny).
In the past, I feel like conversation between characters felt more natural, I'm not really sure how to explain it. Maybe I'll rewrite this in the context of my AU sometime, I'm not sure.
Hopefully the new episode depicts how I see their dynamic a bit better? Kind of worries me when stuff like this happens just because with their full potential not used, less people get to see the vision and then they remain as unseen as they did before, if not more so just because "they don't work in canon" even when the material for said episode just came up short.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, though! Hopefully it'll be good :)
would you get angry if someone wrote porn for your orange sky au. hypothetically speaking...
I wouldn't be mad, it's just a situation of me being a bit unsure on the front of my account being SFW in terms of those subjects, and whilst I really appreciate the interest in my AU, I probably wouldn't be reblogging/interacting with it. I think part of me gets a little nervous having my name attached to it by extension even though I had nothing to do with it but that's probably just me overthinking again- Sorry this isn't a super clear answer and it's a bit everywhere but no-one's ever asked me this before so I'm not really sure what to say 😭😭
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Valid if it was B66, but if that show is what I think it is then he's better off going to work
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Ignoring Batman's questionable build here, this is what False Face's real appearance looked like in his first appearance in Batman (v1) #113.
Searching where to find complete list of all Riddler comic appearances
Honestly not sure if this contains absolutely all of them, but you can at least find a good chunk of them HERE. Hope this helps somewhat :)
That riddler plot in the 1960s Batman show where he tried to get Batman in legal trouble so he’d reveal his identity was SO GOOD and I’m mad he decided to also try and steal an elephant full of cash or whatever it was at the same time. If he’d just done the suing thing it probably would have worked but no, he has to be extra
Anyways I want him to try that again (this time without any sideplots) and I want him to hire Harvey Dent as his lawyer I think it would be silly
I agree it was a very good idea!! And honestly, that'd be hilarious - if I got my way of casting for B66 then it'd be a good excuse to see Frank Gorshin and Sammy Davis Jr. in the same room again, lol
Although as the resident Gorshin Riddler analyst, I'm going to have to go through this and explain why he didn't go with that. I just want to stress I am by no means invalidating your point!! It's a very good one, I'm just going through his thought process(?) as it were, just because, well, it's fun.
Anyway! Yes, the suing idea would likely have worked, but there's two things to note here - a) that's not the fate for Batman that Riddler actually wants, and b) he didn't decide to go for the elephant scheme at the 'same time' (by implication) because THAT was the main plot. The suing was actually the sideplot, not the elephant.
We can see this from the way he plans it. A lot of Riddler's schemes come full circle, because that's how he plans them - it's a tactic to hide the proper scheme under Batman's nose the entire duration, to outwit him with a "you could've known the whole time".
In the episode you mention, "Hi Diddle Riddle/A Smack in the Middle", you'll notice it doesn't start with the suing plot, but the exploding cake bit on the prime minister of Moldavia, which gets mistaken for a political threat. Noticing how the episode ends with the Riddler trying to bulgarise the elephant that stood behind the prime minister at the beginning.
In "A Riddle a Day Keeps the Riddler Away/When the Rat's Away the Mice Will Play" (why wasn't that called "When the BAT's Away, the Mice Will Play"??), he begins with setting off his tricky gadgets against King Boris, which winds up as being the reason he's able to complete the scheme at all, since the King inadvertantly plants the bomb for him at the end.
In "The Ring of Wax/Give 'Em the Axe", he starts with his riddle regarding the library (and he "book", indicating the one he steals) and ends up trying to thieve the Lost Treasure of the Incas.
In "Death in Slow Motion/The Riddler's False Notion", he begins with a petty payroll burglary at Van Jones' silent movie event - Van Jones being the key here, as he ends up trying to steal the silent films from his safe at the end.
I think the only exception is "Ring Around the Riddler", but that's... Season 3 is written awfully. Everything's topsy-turvy and sometimes OOC.
There's always hints throughout, because that's just how he works. And yes, he is extra, because in 66, his leaving riddles aren't a compulsion like they are in some modern things (DESPITE what the ""tribute"" comics might say - those were written terribly), it's of his own accord that he does this, which we can tell from the fact he doesn't always leave a riddle when he commits a crime, especially in the set-up just before (3rd appearance comes to mind especially), and that... very RiddleBat-tinged line in the movie in regards to leaving the riddles: "Oh, but I must, I must! Outwitting Batman is my soul delight, my joy, my heaven on Earth, my very... paradise!" (someone help him).
This established, onto why the suing was sidelined. We already know he takes great pleasure from outwitting Batman, so part of this is just the fact that he considers it too simple for his standards. It would have worked, yes, but it's not tricky enough for it to be a Riddler-esque crime, in his eyes. He needs to go above and beyond time after time and prove himself (feeding into his need for validation, emphaised in his 3rd appearance and the 1979 special). He wants people to know him as someone who came up with something so intelligent that he was constantly ten steps ahead of Batman and tricked him to the wrong place.
Secondly, if Batman's identity was actually revealed, as Batman correctly says, it would ruin his place as an anonymous crimefighter, and make things far more difficult. Riddler loves outwitting him, and his problem isn't really the riddles as much as it is his need to outsmart/be around Batman. Everything is tailored specifically to him (I'll have to talk about how he changes his riddles specifically for Batman another time), which brings me onto my next point: he never intended to actually sue him.
Why then, what's the point? Honestly? It's something of a scare tactic, to get Batman nervous and give him an active time limit, and make the 'game' more fun. Batman is usually level-headed and ridiculously logical, and he figures things out unbelievably well. So, then, how do you foil a man with this capability? You get him off-guard by hitting him where it hurts. In this case? His job, the threat of his identity being revealed and ruining what he cares so much about.
It's the same logic he follows when he kidnaps Robin, again, and again, and again. Batman cares for that boy like a son and Riddler knows that, so getting him out of the way (whilst keeping him unharmed like in the first episode but not implying that), is what gets Batman nervous. An anxious Batman is one that isn't thinking logically, but impulsively. An anxious Batman is one that'll prioritise emotions over intellect. An anxious Batman is a Batman that makes mistakes.
And that's his logic. He knows Batman better than anyone else and the same goes in turn vice versa from Batman to Riddler (he even says something along the lines of this multiple times). The suing caper is good, great even, but it's too simple stand-alone. It needed to be good enough to be the full scheme though, because it was part of outwitting him and getting him on edge (the rest of the plan behind hidden in secret writing on the document itself, implying the plan isn't all it seems, etc etc.); it needed to be realistic enough to be believable. And we see that it was the case, as Dick Grayson was the one to figure it out, not Bruce. He was too busy being distressed over his situation.
Riddler planned it perfectly, and used it well. It was a great idea, and it is somewhat a shame it went on this BUT at the same time, I think the fact it did go on that plan really elevates the scheme itself as a whole. He's so smart and it really shows his capabilities and rightful place as Batman's main adversary in this particular version (having the most episodes of Season 1 speaks for itself).
As much as I'd love to see him do a court plot, I'd have to think about how it could fit whilst following the premises he likes to choose in a way that stays true to his character. It'd probably work better as some kind of short/bit? Given the weight you can do with court scenes and such (and we did get one with Joker and Catwoman but it was only a sub-section of an episode, as was the other with the Penguin), it'd likely have to be like that, but as a one-off thing. If you end the episode on something like that and Batman wins (obviously), then you still get his disappointment at losing, but then you don't receive the excitement given to the viewer from the inevitable scene where Riddler is properly foiled.
Riddler episodes are different in that he's never caught or cornered right until the end, unless he plans to be, only to get the upper hand (1st, 2nd, and 3rd appearances). The whole time, the Riddler is a step ahead and he's getting better and better and more and more confident in his abilities and scheme. You know he won't win, but he gets so painfully close that maybe, maybe he might just get it this time... Only for the tables to turn right at the last minute and he sees that darn bat-shadow against the wall, and then we know exactly what's going to happen. He eludes Batman all the way through, right until the last moment, and that's a feeling that's slightly hard to replicate with a court scene. Perhaps unless it was the ending scene to a two-parter and there was a sideplot, or, well, that'd probably end up as the sideplot given its un-Riddlery nature.
In other universes of Batman, yes, absolutely he could do that, but it's something that is a little trickier to fit into B66 in a way that feels like he planned it. It'd be an interesting story in 66, though, albeit one that wouldn't be canon to his character given the fact Frank once said he thinks the Riddler should try different approaches each time. This all being said, it's a very fun concept to play around with!!
That actually makes so much sense and I’m glad you mentioned it!! I will admit that I haven’t seen the show in quite a while (I really need to dig up my family’s dvd and watch it again) so I fully didn’t remember that part of his character lol. That’s really cool!
I feel like if the court were to be the main plot in a 66 context then maybe Riddler starts off with something more mundane as a subplot to trick Batman into doing things that, out of context, could be used in a court case against him? And the court is the real plan? Idk though I’d need to rewatch the show and figure out how he works. Overall some sorta court thing might work better in a more modern version of the characters
Thank you prev!! That was a really fun read! I appreciate it :D
On your Bookworm points: VERY valid, I like his character a lot too, he's very interesting! We were actually supposed to get more episodes with him, two were scheduled I believe, but for whatever reason they didn't go ahead - probably because the later seasons weren't planned all that well (there are some really good episodes in Seasons 2 & 3 but also there are definitely a few that just aren't worth it unfortunately).
On the comics, I wouldn't from my perspective recommend a lot of the '66 spinoff ones just because, having watched the show so much to have a good idea of the characters, the comics are REALLY out-of-character a large amount of the time. Some of them are written fine, but there's a lot of writing and design choices that were changed that I'm not a fan of. It'd be okay for its own interpretation of course, but in something made to TRIBUTE the series, changing so many things has always seemed weird to me (not to mention the way Riddler wasn't really portrayed as an actual threat and written badly was honestly pretty disrespectful considering IRL context).
Bookworm is one of the characters (and by extension Lydia Limpet) who is written out of character in the comics, unfortunately.
(Sorry about the quality, I can't find it better on Google).
So first thing to point out here is, uh... what's Lydia's design? She doesn't look like that in the show.
The only thing close to that outfit is this one, and even then it's still a way off.
Of course she can have different outfits, but the one depicted in the comic (and also her hair is different? and not to mention she has consistent glasses rather than her posh, reading ones) don't fit her character. And not just appearance, but she's written oddly, too, both of them are - they're one note. In the show, she was all over the Bookworm and had a terrible crush on him. She wouldn't have dreamt of leaving his side. She also expressed zero interest in things like money and jewelry, and was only in it for her love of books and him. She admired him, and there wasn't ever an extra motive. Bookworm cared about her too, in his own way, but had she tried to leave, I doubt he would've jumped to stop her like that. His ego is too high for that, and even if he had cared, it's far more likely he would've jumped to anger rather than panic.
I gave it a go at rewriting this scene more accurately to the show to carry my point across more clearly:
L = Lydia BW = Bookworm P = Pressman T = Typesetter
L: (rushes in holding the newspaper) Bookworm, Bookworm, have you read the paper? (BW has his back to her, sat at his desk with the hat light on, looking over something) BW: That I have, my dear. (taps newspaper to one side of him with two fingers, the leather of his gloves squeaking against itself at the motion) The contents of which can only be compared to that of a point-blank outrage. L: You can say that again, I mean listen to some of this! (begins reading) "'Bookworm is completely uncreative and unoriginal,' Batman was quoted to say at the scene of arrest, 'All of his plots are stolen from scenarios that are imperfect in practice-'" (BW closes his eyes and draws his mouth into a thin line, almost as if trying to control his temper) L, continuing: "'-and the predictability helps no further, so it was those simple factors that winded up in his inevitable capture, an-'" BW: (hits fist against table, still holding back anger but having a brief moment of weakness) Lydia. I have read the article. I do not wish to be reminded. L: Oh. Of course. Sorry, Bookworm. BW: (lets out exhale he didn't know he was holding, quickly shakes his head and breathes in the compose himself) Hm. The Bat can think what he likes. "Uncreative" - heugh! - well, I shall certainly show him! L: (trying to look over his shoulder to see what he's doing) Oh? How do you plan on that? By proving him wrong? BW: (amused) Hm! Oh the contrary, my dear, on the contrary… I'll best him by proving him right. If all the plots I pick are so imperfect, then why not settle for the ones that always succeed? The Batman's themselves. L: (excitedly surprised) Oh, Bookworm, you genius!
BW: Indeed - I owe all my greatness to my fabulous brain. (gestures to what he was reading) For instance, I am, to my wide range of knowledge, the only person yet to note that Batman deliberately tosses batarangs with a motion developed by baseball pitcher Jim Creighton in 1859, as per his memoirs. L: And this means for us? BW: For me, it means the following: have my goons perfect Batman's fighting tactics, myself figuring out his inferior thought process, and predict his every rotten move. He'll be trapped and gone no sooner than you can tailor the book title to fit the situation, To Kill a Mocking-Bat. (looks pleased with himself) P, interjecting: Exactly! Typesetter and I have just finished the newest protoype! (offers out book-shaped object, albeit much flatter) BW: (gesturing sharply with his hand as though he were on a television advert, but really stiff about it) Behold - the Bookarang. T: (proudly) It was my idea. (BW glares and T shrinks down) T: …It was all Bookworm's idea. BW: Ahem. Better. Now, all that is left is to lure Batman into a trap, thrown off by our keen copying, and force his most dire secrets out. With this, we will be able to pass on his most interesting tidbits to the highest bidder, allowing them to copy his plans too. Therefore we will have not only stopped him in his tracks, but properly destroyed him - the Batman will no longer be original.
So, that's my go at it, anyway.
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NOW, as for your RIDDLER points!
As much fun as it would be for a court to be a main plot, I'm not entirely sure how he'd do it and stay in character. I think we could have a court scene with him, but I think personally it could only be as a set-up to something else, perhaps dropping hints throughout or having it be stopped by another crime halfway through or something of the like, but it'd be a good excuse to stop Batman thinking right and make him sweat before the actual caper (you'll notice this is why he kidnaps Robin so much more than any other rogue, because he's figured out Batman can't think for worry during these instances, and a worried Batman is one that makes mistakes).
Just also because Riddler gets his satisfaction from the outwitting and trickiness, like I said. Putting it down to court then puts things too far out of his hands. Of course he can make points and argue, and do a great job of it too (and I'd love to see him sitting up on the desk like Frank Gorshin does in an episode of Kopykats), but ultimately it's the jury's decision. And if he were to fix the jury, then 1) it'd be too similar to the episode in Season 3 where this happens with Catwoman and Joker, and 2) it wouldn't be outwitting him. It'd need to be legitimate for it to count in his head, and taking Batman down a few legal paths and tricking him that way IS an entertaining idea, but with it also being one scene, it lacks that sort of "race against time" and "gotcha" moments that his other episodes possess (again ignoring Season 3 because a lot of that season is OOC too on account of it just being a group of the worst writers on the team).
Suining for a million would be nice, and he could to that, I think he could, successfully, but I alsothink with how he overthinks things, he'd consider it too "simple" for someone of his calibre, even though it's objectively a really good idea. Another thing in mind when writing the Riddler is that his ego is usually his downfall. I know that's something I add a lot to keep him feeling in-character in my fics (this one comes to mind expecially), in that his pride is so entrenched into his character that it gets in the way of his safety and security. He could have the best plan known to man but if it's not him doing the outwitting, him watching Batman stumble, him watching Batman fall at his hands, then it's not quite the same. If that makes sense, I'm doing my best to explain the vibes, anyway.
TLDR; court scene with the Riddler would be really, really interesting but as of right now I can only see it working as the opening to a different crime because he considers it too "easy" to go for. He likes complexity.
ANYWAY, sorry that was so long-winded, I hope you enjoyed reading all of this, I love talking about this show so much lol. Please LMK if you have any questions! Comments and ask box are always open!
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