kay s like. do u play those chill cozy games?? bc apparently mfs are calling it 'gooning' now??? š like is this a meme or are girls genuinely losing their shit over stardew pixels?? i can't tell if it's ironic or if they're actually out here sweating over pumpkin crops pls explain!! I'm scared
First off: I had to look up wtf "gooning" even wasā& yes, Iām Gen Z š
Second: Iām guessing you meant "Love & Deep Space" & the whole āmen calling it a gooning gameā thing? I havenāt played it since launch so Iām not super deep in the lore, but I do catch edits & memes on Insta from time to time. So Iāll answer from my perspectiveāfeel free to correct, add, disagree, etc. š
Also: I got this ask super late at night & accidentally stayed up trying to organize my thoughts until 7AM. My neurons are crusty.
But donāt worry, AnonāI got you. šš
šøļøWhy We Love
Gojo, Nanami, Damon, Sylus, Caleb, & The "Grey Kings"
āAnd Why That Scares Men
Every time I see some man sneering in a comment section about women "gooning" over Love & Deep Space or "romanticising" morally grey characters like Damon Salvatore or Gojo Satoru, I laugh a little.
Not because theyāre wrong that weāre investedāof course weāre investedābut because they completely misunderstand what weāre invested in.
We arenāt attracted to these characters because theyāre perfect, or because we expect anyone to measure up to their exact shape.
Weāre attracted because, despite their flawsāsometimes because of their flawsāthey demonstrate what real-world men around us donāt even attempt:
a willingness to hold someone elseās humanity higher than their ego.
Let me explain.
š1: Tablecloth Men, & the Myth of the "Gooner Girl"
When I hear men call Love & Deep Space a "gooner game," itās clear they donāt even know what that meansā& worse, theyāre projecting their own relationship with porn onto women.
For context: in online slang, a "gooner" refers to a man (usually porn-addled) who enters a trance-like edging state, binging porn for hours while hyping himself up. A "gooner game," therefore, is something designed to put women into a similar spiral, completely lost in lust & fantasy.
The insult is absurd on two levels:
Women engaging with romantic fantasy games are not typically masturbating to them the way gooners do to porn.
Womenās desire isnāt purely physical or consumptiveāitās layered, narrative-driven, & deeply tied to emotional fulfilment.
Women might read smut while folding laundry. Theyāll sext while making dinner without touching themselves or even being "turned on." Theyāre capable of engaging sensually & intellectually at the same time.
The very fact that men think reading smut or playing otome equals a woman slack-jawed in a dark room, sweating over her phone, says more about how men experience desire than it does about how women do.
So when men accuse us of "gooning" over games like Love & Deep Space, what theyāre really saying is:
āHow dare you retreat into a fantasy world that doesnāt centre me?ā
š2: The Fantasy of the Grey King
Characters like Gojo, Damon, Sylus, Caleb, & even Haibara from my fic "Third Wheeling" are cut from the same cloth:
Theyāre not purely good.
Theyāre not purely evil.
They are loyal, dangerous, competent, & painfully human.
But what matters is that in their worlds, they choose the woman they love & orient themselves around her in a way real-life men rarely do.
Take Damon Salvatore.
Damon is a disaster of a manāmanipulative, violent, morally bankrupt at timesābut his loyalty to Elena is unwavering. Even when sheās not his. Even when she chooses Stefan. Even when she tells him to stop, he does stop, because her boundaries matter to him even when his feelings make it hard. He doesnāt become good because of her; he struggles & grows because he wants to be good for her.
Take Gojo Satoru.
Gojoās lightness is a mask. Before Suguru, he was untouchable but empty. Suguru grounded him. When Suguru fell, Gojo didnāt collapse, but he stopped caring as much about his own moral integrity, because no one he respected was watching. His loyalty & morality were tethered outside himself.
Take Sylus & Caleb.
These characters from Love & Deep Space represent something real-world women rarely see: men who are successful, confident, & powerful, yet make deliberate space for a woman in their lives. Literally & figuratively.
Another character repaints his bedroom, makes space in his closet, lights candlesābecause he wants her to feel at home. Thatās not "gooning." Thatās an emotional fluency men are rarely taught but women crave desperately.
Because love isnāt conquest. Love is making room.
Iāve been thinking about how characters like Damon (TVD) & Gojo (JJK) resonate so strongly with women, not because theyāre perfect, but because theyāre deeply flawed men who tether their morality to someone they love.
Damonās loyalty to Elenaāeven when messyāshows a man willing to reorient his entire self around respect for someone elseās values.
When sheās gone, he spirals because he hadnāt yet internalised that moral compass.
Gojo mirrors this. He was untouchable & irreverent until Suguru anchored him.
When Suguru fell, Gojo started rolling the dice with his own ethics, because his compass shattered.
These kinds of stories show women what it looks like for a powerful man to choose to defer to someone elseās humanity. And for many of usāraised on tablecloth men who canāt hold a conversation beyond porn tropesāthatās revelatory.
Itās why games like Love & Deep Space feel cathartic rather than "cringe:"
ā The men are functioning adults
ā They make room in their lives (and their closets) for you
ā They adapt instead of expecting you to shrink
Meanwhile, male-dominated fantasies keep glorifying underage girls, infantilization, & rape disguised as "spice."
No wonder women turn to fictional men who treat them like humans instead of props.
For some of us, it was more than just escapism.
I was barely in my early twenties when I left a 10-year relationship that left me with PTSDāone Iād been groomed into as a minor, one where I thought crying myself to sleep & being yelled slurrs at was just what love looked like.
Because the truth isāasking for someone who listens, makes room, & respects your mind shouldnāt be a fantasy. But here we are.
And then, somehow, I found Damon Salvatore.
The show wasnāt perfect.
But watching this chaotic, morally grey man choose to orient himself around someone elseās feelings & stay there, even when it hurt?
It cracked something open.
It showed me what Iād been enduring wasnāt loveābecause if even a fictional man could make space for someoneās boundaries & grief, why couldnāt a real one?
I see women say the same about Love & Deep Space.
You scroll through the comments on their edits, & you see itāwomen quietly, sometimes even tearfully admitting:
"I finally realised my boyfriend was never going to treat me like this."
"This game helped me leave him."
"I thought I was asking too muchābut it turns out I was asking too little."
Thatās not cringe.
Thatās survival.
Psychologically, this is what we call a [Link] Corrective Emotional Experienceāwhen you encounter a new model of love or safety that contradicts your trauma, & you internalize it as proof that youāre not broken for wanting more.
Itās why these characters feel life-changing.
So, noāI donāt think itās embarrassing that Damon helped me escape.
Or that Gojo, Nanami, Sylus, Caleb, & many others like Jack Frost or even Nick Wildeāthe Fox from Zootopia, help other women escape too.
Itās not silly to want a man who sees your humanity & adapts to make room for it.
Itās not silly to believe that love isnāt about shrinking yourself.
Because the truth isāit should never have been a fantasy.
But for some of us, it was the first step toward reality.
They give you permission to leave the story you were told you had to stay in.
š·ļø3: Why Women Retreat to Fiction
Real-world dating for women today is a minefield of men with the emotional range of a dishcloth & the self-awareness of a brick.
They ask what you bring to the table, while bringing nothing but porn addictions, fragile egos, & a phone full of bikini reels.
If you talk about your hobbies? They tune out.
If you mention your needs? Youāre "too much."
If you resist sex? Youāre "frigid."
If you want sex but also respect? Youāre "delusional."
Meanwhile, the male-centred fantasies theyāve grown up with glorify girls who are:
ā infantile
ā submissive
ā underage-coded
ā overtly mothering towards their adult partners
ā purely decorative
So when women play Love & Deep Space or write fic about Gojo or Damon or Haibara or Caleb, theyāre not "deluded"ātheyāre reclaiming a narrative in which their pleasure, safety, & autonomy matter.
āØ4: Why Nanami Feels Like Home (& Gojo Like Sunlight)
And then thereās Nanami Kento.
He is not the loudest in the room.
He does not demand your laughter to feel like heās alive.
He does not treat your quiet as a defect, or your sadness as something to fix.
He does not make you shrink yourself so he can feel big.
For many of us, Nanami doesnāt even feel like a characterāhe feels like a possibility we never believed existed.
When you are with a man like Nanamiāeven if heās only fictionalāyou feel, maybe for the first time, that your stillness is allowed.
Your bad days are not an inconvenience.
Your bipolarity is not a moral failing.
Your silence is not a betrayal.
You donāt have to entertain him.
You donāt have to be "on."
You donāt have to drag yourself into manic cheerfulness just to keep him from sulking about your mood.
Nanami just is.
Because Nanami is the kind of man who would simply say,
āYou donāt have to force anything. Just sit. Iāll handle the rest.ā
And he would mean it.
If Nanami is home, Gojo is sunlight on a day you thought would never get warm again.
He makes you laugh, even when you feel like youāre falling apart inside.
He is a chaotic spirit, but never cruel.
And while he might never understand the weight you carry, he would at least never shame you for carrying it.
By contrast, Gojo is the oppositeābut not in a bad way.
Heās not perfectāheād probably forget the groceries & lose his keys & drive you insaneābut heād always come home to you.
Gojo is the kind of man who would lie down on the kitchen floor with you at 2 AM, telling dumb jokes until you laughed again, just because he canāt stand seeing you cry.
And when you feel ugly or unworthy, heād just laugh & kiss you & say:
āYouāre ridiculous. Youāre perfect.ā
Some days, you need Nanami: quiet, steady, capable, unafraid of your darkness.
Some days, you need Gojo: bright, relentless, a reason to laugh when you feel like nothing is funny anymore.
š· Why Both Matter
And what real life so often fails to give women is even one of those thingsālet alone both.
Instead, we get men who demand our light but resent our shadow.
Men who say weāre "too much" but "not enough."
Men who say "just be happy" because our quiet threatens them.
Men who cannot fathom that sometimes we are just tiredā& thatās okay.
It's called a partnership for a reason. All relationships need balance.
We fall for Nanami & Gojoāas oppositesābecause they represent the two halves of love we deserve:
Someone who sits with our grief without fear,
Someone who can make us laugh anyway.
We donāt want perfection.
We donāt expect to find a Damon or a Gojo or a Sylus walking into our coffee shop tomorrow.
š§5: What We Actually Want
We want what they symbolise:
A man who listens even when itās inconvenient.
A man who orients himself around your humanity without erasing himself.
A man whose loyalty does not depend on whether he gets to sleep with you.
In real life, that looks like a boyfriend who moves his stuff so you can hang your clothes.
It looks like a partner who doesnāt treat your trauma like a buzzkill.
It looks like someone who asks, "Are you okay?" & then waits for the answer.
Itās not that hard.
It just happens to be rare.
A man who makes space for you without resenting it.
š„6: Why It Scares Men
Because these stories show women that we donāt have to settle for mediocrity.
They teach us that "at least he doesnāt hit me" isnāt enough.
That our longing is not weakness, & our standards are not "too high."
When women retreat into these worlds, men panic. Why?
They expose the ways men have failed to grow.
The men mocking women for playing otome games or writing fic are the same men who think a romantic evening is you sitting silently while they scroll their phone next to you.
š Not a Fantasyāa Reminder
When youāre a woman who has been told her sadness is a burden, her quiet is ungrateful, her darkness is too darkāthese characters are not "escapism."
Theyāre recognition.
We donāt want perfect.
We donāt even want easy.
We just want someone who doesnāt punish us for being alive.
Theyāre proof that someoneāeven if only on a pageācould hold all of you without flinching.
And in a world full of tablecloth menāwho only know how to worship your light & run from your shadowāNanami, Gojo, Damon, Sylus, Calebā¦they donāt run.
They stay.
And that is why we love them.
The love stories we buildāin fiction, in games, in fandomāarenāt delusions.
Of what we already deserve, & sometimes what we already are:
ā the person who carries everyone elseās burdens.
ā the one who stays up to fix what others break.
ā the one who never stopped hoping there was more than this.
We love Gojo because he falls apart but keeps showing up.
We love Damon because heās a mess but still chooses her.
We love Sylus & Caleb because they understand that making space for someone else is not weaknessāitās love.
Weāre not "gooning."
Weāre remembering.
That we deserve to take up space.
That loyalty can exist.
That love is supposed to feel like home, not a hostage situation.
So if that scares you?
Maybe it should.
Because some of us are done playing NPC to your fantasies.
Weāre building our own worlds now.
Theyāre reminders.
And theyāre beautiful.
A/N: I hope I made sense & not overshare. Thank you for the ask Anon!
Also, I feel like these two are the epitome of my argument.



















