[willbyersdoesnowrong]

People prefer saying that El is the main character over Will because they can’t comprehend the idea of a main stream show being centred on a queer character and are incapable of understanding his story and arc towards acceptance

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Or maybe his storyline just wasn't written well enough for me to be convinced he was ever supposed to the "Main character over El"

When S1 aired it was meant to be a limited series and was written as such, the story follows The Party looking for thier friend and then finding El. El who leads them to exsistence of the Upside Down and The Demogorgon. The audience then gets to follow El learn how to be a regular kid with the hlpe of the Party while also helping find Will. She forms new bonds, a crush, learns to speak for herself/ advocacy, figures out what makes her feel pretty and of course try new foods. The marketing was around The Party and El, they did promos, posters, and interviews that Noah Schnapp wasn't featured in. And the Duffers are not good enough writers to have planed anything out from the beginning.

I've said this so many times but the idea of having your main character missing for an entire season and we only see them twice in the show is not good writing for a main character.

Will's story is important and impactful to so many people but it is not the center of the show. And it never has been. The show is not about Will overcoming his fears and learning to accept himself, thats just the only plotline they gave him for 3 seasons.

[felted-daisies]

If you didn't watch Stranger Things you'd genuinely believe Mike Wheeler locked El up in his basement, had her chained up to him, mute and forced her to blow her powers out due to exhaustion for the entire show based on how people talk about him.

Istg ive seen more people demonize 14yr old KID BTW Mike Wheeler more than the man that ACTUALLY LOCKED HER UP, ABUSED HER, AND OVER WORKED HER.

[theduchesswrites]

The first season of Stranger Things was conceived, written, and produced as a limited series. The fact that so many conspiracy theorists think there have been hidden clues since S1 baffles me.

[felted-daisies]

So many fan theories are debunked when you remind them of this but they just can't comprehend that 😭 "Wills always been the mc" "Byler was written in the stars" "The writing has always told us to think deeper"

Like baby there were no stars, no deeper hidden meanings, and no merch for W!ll 😭

[felted-daisies]

I'm always so genuinely confused when Bylers say they wouldn't treat thier friends that way. I love platonic Byler, i love all forms of platonic love. Why is intimacy such an inherently romantic thing to you guys?

You wouldn't spend a week looking for your best friend against others opinions ?

You wouldn't support him during his hospital visits and trauma?

You wouldn't hug him when he needs it? Take him to a quieter spot?

You wouldn't stick by him in the face of bullies? You wouldn't spend the night when he's scared?

Yall are lame friends them. I baked my best friend a cake every year on thier birthday, I've made valentines and shouted at thier soccer games that I'm thier biggest fan, given them flowers, gone to doctors appointments with them, gave them a place to stay when they needed. Oh and yeah I hug my best friend, even press a kiss to thier cheek cause I love them and thier my best friend. And I let them and everyone know that's my best friend.

Cause if i say always turning intimacy romantic is why men are afriad to be intimate with thier friends then what? Making every nice gesture out to be some insane devotion of romantic love is exactly why male friendships lack this want to get to know someone and be there for them.

[angelbabywheeler]

it also frustrates me when Bylers claim they understand Mike more than Mileven fans but everything they "understand" about him is purely a headcanon. Which like headcanons are fine but saying you understand him cause of his internalized homophobia , means you actually don't understand his character. He was never written in the show to have internalized homophobia, if you want to write that into a fanfic like obvi be my guest but in the show its very clear he is a very anxiously attached guy. Who spent six years trying to hold onto this impossible girl. Too scared to be uneeded that he failed to understand he was wanted.

No literally. Like let’s just run down everything that specifically happens to Mike in the series:

His best friend goes missing

He’s forced to jump off a cliff by his bullies

He watches his best friends dead body be pulled out of a lake

The girl who helped him find his best friend disappears into thin air

his best friend is possessed by the mind flayer

gets threatened by his girlfriend’s dad who kept her away from him for almost a year

almost gets knocked out by flayed billy during the sauna test

does get knocked out by billy at startcourt

watches Billy get murked

his best friend and girlfriend leave the state

living in a house with 2 parents who don’t love each other at all and are always going back and forth

almost gets attacked by monsters multiple times

goes to visit his gf and bff in lenora and has to watch his gf be arrested

goes on a mission to find said girlfriend and finds her amongst a sea of dead scientists

goes back home and his town is split in half

and this is all before season 5. I get that Mike doesn’t have the most trauma of everyone in the show. But he’s definitely traumatized and for good reason. If the only rationalization you can make for Mikes more unsavory behaviors are that it’s because he has “internalized homophobia” then you’re just lazy. and go ahead and ship what you want, you can write, draw, read whatever fic/headcanon/ships you want. but acting like it’s canon because you don’t pay enough attention to the show says more about you than it says about Mike and the show in all actuality.

[miss-frontpage]

at least until she met the ghost of pitt

[felted-daisies]

lets look at this insanely biased list. Of someone ranking who went through the most. Already starting off wrong with El btw.

Completely missing her mom being paralyzed/brain dead

Being led to belive she killed all her siblings in a horrible massacre

Being tagged tased and shaved like a dog

Overworked till she dropped

Frontlines of every fight-S1 sacrificing herself for Will, S2 closing the gate, S3 mindflayer fight on a broken keg, S4 going back to her absuer and then fighting Vecna, getting chocked out and S5 where she spent the entire season being told the best way tor it to end is her killing herself. Oh and loosing her sister and then actually killing herself.

Lets look at Wills Side. Cause most of it is false.

His death was not celebrated, the entire town sent a search party for him and even if some people didn't care he wasn't there to see these reactions so no he didn't go through that.

His bullying, he was made fun of mentally not phsycally. All with his three best friends at his side to support him and stand up for him going through it with him too.

"Severe Poverty" also wrong. They were poor not malnurished. He always had food on the table, a roof over his head and clothes to wear. Oh and his own bedroom. Im saying this as someone who faced genuine poverty The Byers are ok. Not great sure but again he has his own room, food and clothes.

"Ignored by all his friends" Wrong again. They ignored him once in S3 cause they were going through things he couldn't relate to. Even so it was one week of the summer and being ignored by your friends is not a traumatic experience.

"Hit by a car" also wrong he was never hit by a car or burned alive. A demo was and he briefly felt that. No lasting effects on him.

"Absuive household" also not completely true. People conflate the truth when it comes to that. Lonnie was psychologically abusive and at best made no efforts to get to know Will. Will himself says his only memory is Lonnie trying to get him to enjoy baseball, and him fighting with Joyce. And Lonnie also wasn't in the house long enough for Will to be traumatized by it. Joyce and Jonathan are more effected by Lonnie than Will. Also Will was shieled from that by Joyce and Jonathan the entire time. He was SURROUNDED by thier love and support throughout it all.

an unrequited crush isn't traumatic nor was it ten years long. At best his crush can be tracked back to s2. that's honestly just offense to actual traumatic experiences. Also coming from someone who faced an unrequited crush. He wil live with no "traumatic" experience afterwards especially since Mike is still there as his best friend. And made no efforts to make fun of or be "grossed" out by his crush.

"Sacrificed his love for his sister" also not traumatic and no he didn't. As he still tried to subtlely let Mike know how he felt towards him. Also he still openly loved and cared about Mike throughout the show.

Like omg idk why Will Glazers are set on making him this tortured character from birth to death. he had plenty of years with his friends being kids doing kid stuff. And had the love of his family throughout the entire show. He isn't this tortured prince you guys belive he is.

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"They would've said it back"

and then listing the most unrealistic options ever.

Kali and Hopper i can agree with everyone else is the biggest reach ive ever seen in my life.

Dustin and Lucas didn't even say "I love you" to thier girlfriends either. They had a collective 3min screentime with her and Dustin literally used his gf to get good grades. Trust they were never saying "ily" to El.

Max is literally the same exact person as Mike. Shes never said "ily" to Lucas either. She ran/ distanced herself when she was feeling too much and dumped him six times. She wasn't saying "ily" to El. They didn't even get a good reunion.

Argyle...yes someone actually said that. He would've said ily to a fucking rock that's a moot point that means shit to me. He's been high the entire show.

Jonathan and Joyce stopped caring about El the second they went back to Hawkins. Joyce back on her "Wiw" shit. Jonathan also never really cared about her??? They literally had to care about her in Cali cause she was still hiding from the government and they were playing a part. I genuinely do not believe he cares about her. "oh but theyre siblings" living together for six months and being told to tell everyone youre siblings doesn't automatically make you siblings. They have no bond.

Will... lets be serious he never even tried to get to know her. Judged her immediately in S3, and spent S4 resenting her relationship with Mike which automatically put a distance between them. I think he cares about her because Mike does. I don't think he really loves her as nothing in the show even hints at them having any sort of relationship.

[felted-daisies]

Gonna watch Bridgerton s5 and s5 only. Gonna watch it 2x times when someone says they won't watch it cause it's about lesbians. and an extra third time just to counteract the influx of mlm ships in the world. And extra fourth time if the hater is a Heated Rivalry/Byler/Huckrobby stan. Then I'll fill a sketchbook of fanart with them and make a tt account dedicated to making edits of them.

[shanebuffys]

God, some of y’all would ship two sacks of flour together just because they are both white.

[felted-daisies]

So exponentially tired of Will glaze. That boy did not suffer more than El. He was in the upside down for one week. El spent her whole life in a lab like a rat. The siblings she grew up slaughtered in front of her, her mother ended up brain dead basically and she had no family no friends and no support, The one person she trusted was using her, she had to live with the guilt of the upside down forever feeling like she was a monster. The first person she met outside the lab to treat her with kindess died because of her. Even when she was "safe" with the party she still had to constantly look over her shoulder cause the government was hunting her, constantly in surival mode, never truly feeling like she could rest. Will's problems while traumatic are very human in comparison. A lot of people say he was abused, but forget that even still Joyce separated from his dad as soon as she could've, while he had a bad home life he still had friends and the love and support of his mom and brother. Will lived a sheltered life because of the love he had, El lived a sheltered life because she had no choice. From birth she was raised to be a killer. Will is going to live the rest of his life happily being himself with his friends and family to support him, El died so he could have that future. Their traumas aren't comparable.

[niirococo]

i just started watching pluribus and i love it sm haahahh :DD

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when they think my blue and yellow is byler but really im plurbing out

[felted-daisies]

Cause why are we acting like Garcia told Santos to "fuck off and die"?

All these can be true at once btw.

1.Langdon shouldn't be working with Santos until they settle this out

2.Santos shouldn't be acting this way in front of a patient

3.Garcia is right and could've been gentler in giving the message.

Its been ten months guys. Garcia has definitely heard all of this from Santos on many occasions of course she doesn't wanna get into it with her at work about it. Trinity of all people doesn't need to be coddled, she herself is blunt and abbrasisve at times, she doesn't work well with others and is at times unprofessional. Garcia is objectively correct, don't let your biases fool you. You absolutely cannot be acting this way in front of a patient and she essentially told Santos to lock in or shut up. Blunt doesn't equal evil.

[oliveshark]

Sexism in fandom will have people fabricating an entirely non-existent version of your favorite character.

"She literally treats everyone like trash all the time"

And then you look inside and it's the show most's empathetic character who was slightly rude once.

[kawa-goat]

stranger things the only fandom where people will act like a girl having everything she fought for years being rendered useless bc of a dehumanizing lesson about "childhood magic" and being separated from her loved ones is somehow comparable to a boy not ending with the guy he wanted despite that very same guy never reciprocating his feelings

but then y'all get mad when ppl call you misogynists and male-centered, the irony

[felted-daisies]

Will Byers fandom needs to be studied bro. Literally the only character on the show you cannot criticize without being called homophobic of sorts. Gosh forbid you point out that he's just as flawed as the rest of them. No no no Will Byers is perfect and all his flaws excused cause hes a scared little boy still 🥺

Will himself literally said he doesn't want to be babied and he's not a kid anymore and yet that's what the fandom treats him as. The best ending for him was genuinely getting over Mike. He is his worst self around him. Every season they fight because Mike didn't live up to the expectations he never communicated. Mike himself asked him "Why's this all on me?" and yeah why is it? The problem is always Mike and never that Will doesn't understand how important El was to him. In canon he is always the one to start fights and accuse Mike of things rather than just ask whats wrong. Getting over him and branching out is what was best.

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"she learned how to kiss before learning 10x100!! Mileven is toxic 😒"

... did we watch the same kiss? The PECK on the lips that was given.

like oh im sorry i didn't know this was a full makeout clothes off scene to some of yall. Like im sorry to me this is literally as if two 5yr olds kissed like next argument. Idk making Mike out to be some evil guy cause he kissed a girl at 12. Lets be serious yall El's not stupid never has been. Yall forget she understands everything Mike says to her with little explanation. She explains her thought process through visuals and not words, she knew how to explain Will was Upside Down using a game board, she knows how to play chess canonically, the lab people spoke to her in full complete sentences oh and SHE LIKED THE KISS!

Stop taking away her agency omfg

for the "no ones ever said that" truthers 😒