nightwing hates cishets

🗡transguy🗡gay🗡white🗡autistic🗡 exclusionist🗡minor🗡trans woman safe🗡

[purplepink-blueberry]

Let me tell you why ace/aro exclusionism is hurtful

Let me explain why het aces and het aros should belong to LGBTQ+ community.

Because they are not the heterosexual heteroromantic norm.

Because they are told that they will find the one, the right person (why does it remind me of the saying “you just haven’t met the right man”?). Because they might even be forced to do something they don’t want to (some people are angry if the term corrective rape is not used relating to lesbians so I’m not gonna use it so they can focus on other things in here).

Because they are ignored. Because this ignorance and passive (sometimes active) hatred comes also from the people they thought would accept them.

Because they are somewhere in between of these two “communities” - the cis heterosexual heteroromantic and the non-cis/non-heterosexual/non-heteroromantic. They are “too weird” to be straight and “not queer enough” to be queer. Because they are alone.

Because being queer is not oppression olympic. Because we are supposed to be helping each other and be accepting. Because why be rude and hurtful when you can be nice?

Het aces and het aros also get shit for being who they are. From both cis straights and queers.

You don’t want straight people in your community? Well, there are trans people who are straight. Bi people with strong preference towards another gender than they are (the opposite if we are talking about binary genders) who may seem straight. But they belong, right?

So why not het aces and het aros?

If we all tried to be nicer, this world would be a lot more wonderful place. Just saying. So why not do it?

[graysoncourse]

alright first off were not some place for ppl who “arent the norm”. saying shit like that is why we get pedophiles and kinksters claiming theyre lgbt.

on your second point, literally every single person on earth is told that, and a straight cis ace being told that doesnt hold the same weight as a gay person being told theyll find someone and be in a het relationship. these things just arent the same and in no way can be compared.

also if u wanna be heard,,u gotta speak up with your own voices. dont rely on us, this isnt our battle as gay and/or trans people. we dont want to have attention called to us, its not our fight.

also stop using straight trans people as a “gotcha” jfc like HONESTLY how do you not understand that gay/trans people started this movement! theres always been an intersect between gay and trans rights and frankly its so insulting to insinuate that straight trans ppl are the reason literal cisgendered heteros should be allowed into the community

also just gonna add that surprise! oppression dynamics exist! a trans woman, straight or not, is more oppressed than me, a trans man (though if straight, she would oppress me on the facet of my gayness). the idea that were all equally oppressed or what have you is ridiculous.

i just cant be nice anymore about this shit. its literally putting me and my trans/gay siblings in danger. i cant speak freely at my own gsa about being afraid of cishets without the fear of someone getting upset at me bc “straight aces could be in this room”. its fucking ridiculous and im not going to just passively sit there and watch the doors of my community be forced open to literal cishets.

literally just make your own damn community

[graysoncourse]

you inclusionists are so fucking exhausting my god tjis is why i rarely take part in ace discourse anymore?? i dont even look at the fucking tags

[discursedd]

PSA for some pockets of ace tumblr but the reality is that there is literally no way to measure how frequently/intensely different people feel attraction. “I don’t feel it as often as other people” literally, you have no way of knowing that, no idea how often the average person feels attraction. I’m not saying that labels like demi/gray-a are inherently meaningless bc they can help people articulate their personal feelings, but you cannot argue that those labels in isolation of an lgbt identity make you part of the community when the degree of attraction you feel is something so subjective.

sexual identities are not about how you experience attraction, they’re about who you experience that attraction for. 

for example, lesbians, objectively, are women who exclusively experience attraction to other women no matter the frequency or intensity of that attraction. gay men, objectively, exclusively experience attraction to other men, no matter the frequency or intensity of that attraction. hell, I’m not going into the ‘are asexuals inherently lgbt’ in this but ace/aros objectively do not experience attraction to anyone.

(ps “oh but I discuss this with my friends and” I’m not talking about comparing between indoviduals/small groups, I’m talking wide scale.)

[gfhjfghdjfghj]

mari/ladybugexe/honeycourse follows a blog that posts anime child porn. to be specific, very obviously young anime girls that look like children. there’s proof below censored. usually i wouldn’t supply screenshots of these things, but i think since some people wouldn’t believe me otherwise, i have to. BELOW THE CUT IS GOING TO HAVE EXPLICIT(ALBEIT CENSORED) CONTENT. PLEASE BE AWARE OF THIS AND BE CAREFUL.

Keep reading

[aviale-remade]

Shane Dawson is a pedophile

in one of his recent “shane and friends” podcasts, shane admitted to finding a 10-13 year old girl ‘sexy’ and repeatedly defended pedophilia at the discomfort of his co-host, he stated he doesn’t understand why you can get arrested for viewing child porn because he thinks its “just like another kink”, his co-host even said “you cant defend pedophilia” to which shane replied with “well that’s not true…”

the video (heres a link to it) only has 2000 retweets currently, he has 11 MILLION subscribers, most of which being very young children, please spread this, i dont want to see children idolize a literal monster anymore

TW: the video is EXTREMELY graphic and uncomfortable, please please dont watch it if youre sensitive to subjects such as child porn or pedophilia

[maulcourse]

whats good

Hello I am Lane/Maul and I’m here for the discourse. I’ve been watching from the sidelines for the longest time but I’m finally ready to get involved. I am an exclusionist, safe for all trans people and ready to argue. I blame @graysoncourse for getting me involved in all this but i’m here for it.

anywhomst follow me if you want 

[graysoncourse]

love and appreciate him hes gay 

[corvid-420]

how do i subscribe to be on the aphobe blocklist, i don’t want to be left out

[gothhabiba]

look at this fucking pretender asking for handouts. some of us earned our place on that list with our blood sweat and tears.

[mimimimikyu-deactivated20180103]

you actually have cancer or you trying to guilt people?

i could have it. Breast cancer runs in my family

[graysoncourse]

holy smokes batman,,,,breast cancer runs in my family too,,,,guess that means im gonna

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[gay-theory]

how vile and straight up evil can you get where you feel comfortable comparing trans women to terfs. how is this so widely accepted among inclusionists, how is it that you don’t immediately no-platform these people?

[dilutedd]

about fatfae

fatfae, otherwise known as angryfey and princetkilljoy, is the blogger behind the “that sounds suspiciously aphobic or possibly terfy” meme. they are an active blogger in ace discourse, and have recently come under fire for some very serious things. so let’s just get into it.

part 1: pedophilia

this post has the screenshots used to establish that fatfae self-identifies as an ex-map (minor-attracted person).

when called out, they asked people to call out figuregaying, someone behind several of the original accusations. they also state that pedophilia had been “normalized” for them so they thought it was okay.

then, they tried to shift the blame to another blogger accused of pedophilia apologism.

in the past, they have told a child alter that they wanted to mutilate their own genitals [post with archived link]

when we went through the following list on their main, princetkilljoy, we found that:

as of november 18, 2015, they followed a stridercest blog

and a blog containing shota (PEDOPHILIA) and tr*p porn

as well as a blog that has RECENTLY posted bestiality porn

and one that has RECENTLY posted drawn rape and dubcon

AND THEN making excuses for following those blogs + more excuses

they posted their “story,” trying to guilttrip the accusers and say that it was okay because it had been “normalized” by fandom spaces and abuse.

‘don’t harass me for my attraction to kids because i was a victim too’

justifying people identifying as maps because of past trauma

‘5 year olds should learn about penetration because i’m a csa victim’

“7 year olds can be sexual”

‘kids should learn about sex at age 5′

‘if kids can believe in santa they’re old enough to learn about sex’

calling people terfs for saying kids shouldn’t learn about sex

‘if kids can have sexual orientations they must have sexual attraction’

part 2: lesbophobia

derailing lesbian positivity posts with “unless they’re a terf” 1 . 2

saying “butch” isn’t a lesbian-specific term 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 (also, they’re transmasculine and NOT a lesbian)

guilttripping the people who argued with them about this

reblogged a post about how “femme” is not a lesbian-specific term

‘i have to search every blog with butch in the url to make sure they’re not a terf’

derailing lesbian posts again

‘gay and lesbian are both slurs’

part 3: transmisogyny

the tr*p porn thing again

‘trans men can reclaim tr*nny because i’ve had it used on me a couple times’

“trans women can’t reclaim f*ggot”

misgendered a trans woman and when confronted said “i corrected it, don’t blow your fucking head up”

then, they apologized and slimecourse acknowledged it but then fatfae got mad about being called a transmisogynist and said “you people make me want to drown myself” re: being asked not to misgender trans women

then trying to make it about themself

“[exclusionists] are just latching onto discourse started by terfs”

their response to someone telling them they’re being transmisogynistic is “i’m farting” + ‘i can selectively listen to trans women on issues of transmisogyny’ + ‘bi people get to reclaim the f slur and it’s biphobic to disagree’

“i’m trans so i can’t be transmisogynistic” + implying that being transmisogynistic is a “simple, common, unintentional mistake”

another “i’m trans so i can’t be transmisogynistic”

part 4: ableism

fatfae has a track record with ableism, specifically pertaining to schizophrenia. 

trying to delegitimize someone’s diagnosis of schizophrenia

more invalidation of the same person’s diagnosis + “if you’re not schizophrenic why do you want to be called schizophrenic?”

invalidating the same. person. again. + “how do you think it makes schizphrenic people feel that your ass wants to be one so badly”

tokenizing schizophrenia + comparing being called schizophrenic to being called violent slurs

calling people “hypersexual horndogs” and excusing it because they’re autistic

purposefully triggering someone

‘autistic people don’t have the right to reclaim the r slur’

part 5: guilttripping

fatfae posting about how they might self harm over being outed as a pedophile

guilttripping people who are saying that “butch” is for only lesbians

‘i didn’t get good sex ed’ + ‘you’re gonna make me self harm’ in response to being outed as a pedophile

“i named the burns on my back and arms after you”

“i don’t care [that this is literally an abuse tactic]” + “i want you to hurt the way you made me hurt” + “this burn is for you honey”

part 6: homophobia/misc

called a gay person queer after being asked not to, accused anyone who hasn’t reclaimed a slur of being anti bi and nb, + “gay was originally a slur”

defending the classic homophobic behavior of using bible verses against lgbt people

‘gay and lesbian are both slurs,’ again

conclusion: 

fatfae is a pedophile, a lesbophobe, and a transmisogynist, among much more. the people defending them are defending pedophilia. they should no longer be given any sort of platform or be given a presence in discourse spaces. this behavior must be condemned and stopped. 

[beyond-batpanda-pride-flags]

Redmeat- Pride Flag

Redmeat- (sexual/romantic): When you only experience attraction to red meat, typically aligns with objectosexual.

-Mod Anthroposexual

[graysoncourse]

YELL HEAH

[graysoncourse]

i really literally cant grasp what goes through peoples heads when they use the SAM and theyre not ace/aro like,,,,youre either bi or you have internalized homophobia you cant be a h*moromantic bisexual

[otoconia]

I mean, yes, you can be, it’s just kinda uncommon and also complicated by stigma.

Also wtf re: censoring homoromantic?

[graysoncourse]

you cant be gay and bi. youre either gay or youre bi. you cant be both. also @honeynuttedcheerios said my thoughts exactly in the replies, the word makes me really uncomfortable lol. im allowed to censor and think it should be censored, im a gay guy

[otoconia]

“Gay” is pretty dual-use at this point, covering both SGA and 100% gay men/lesbians. This has been a thing for some decades and has worked pretty well, despite some confusion.

[graysoncourse]

yeah i know that but im talking about exclusively gay men/women here. you cant be gay and bi. h*moromantic is an exclusively gay identity, while bisexuality isnt. you cant be gay and bi at the same time. youre either exclusively attracted to your similar gender, or youre not. you just,,cant be gay and bi at the same time

[otoconia]

I’m confused on what you’re objecting to here. Is it split-attraction model identities themselves being incompatible, or the fact that someone who identifies as homoromo/bisexual would later identify as gay? Is it okay if they say that those orientations make them technically bi?

[graysoncourse]

i think the first one is closest to my point. im saying that you literally cant be attracted to more than one genders at once and call yourself h*moromantic. youre not gay if you like more genders than your own/a similar one

[otoconia]

But if you only feel romantically drawn to same-gender folks, it’s useful to have a word to describe that - “homoromantic” is descriptive of *that particular domain*, whereas “bisexual” describes an entirely separate domain. They aren’t incompatible in theory, since they describe things that are (for some people) entirely dissociable. 

It’s not just “I’m attracted to multiple genders and one gender,” it’s “I’m only attracted to this gender this way, and multiple genders that way.”

[graysoncourse]

hii sorry it took forever to get back to u, quarter was ending and school was a lot.

anyways i feel like im going in circles here?? you just literally cant be h*mo and bi. im literally a huge h*mo and im saying you cant be gay and bi at the same time because gayness is exclusive attraction and being bi is more than one gender. i dont know how many times i have to repeat myself for you to get that you literally cant have exclusive attraction and multiple attraction at the same time.

[adiratus]

Couple in a photo booth, 1953

[softlyfeel]

YALL CANNOT TELL ME THEY DONT LOOK LIKE SIBLINGS

[homoethotic]

Hey can u fucking not

[softlyfeel]

white gays all look alike

[godkincourse]

This is a historical picture, reminiscent of the times where photo booth were pretty much the only place gay couples could get pictures without being outed, and you, tunglr user vtaeshyung with the kpop icon who makes genderbend aus of real life people, could only think about making an incest comment.

[lemon-bunny]

at this point, ace discourse is essentially “cishets violently oppress our entire community, ace or not. could you please respect that i feel unsafe around them” with the reply “suck it up, white cis gays oppress the community too but they’re still around for some reason?? and Cishets Need To Feel Valid”

[queer-gladion]

So what’s your favorite lie told by regs? Mine are “bear has been a slur against gay men for ages” and “gay men never refer to themselves as tops or bottoms”

[graysoncourse]

[graysoncourse]

i really literally cant grasp what goes through peoples heads when they use the SAM and theyre not ace/aro like,,,,youre either bi or you have internalized homophobia you cant be a h*moromantic bisexual

[otoconia]

I mean, yes, you can be, it’s just kinda uncommon and also complicated by stigma.

Also wtf re: censoring homoromantic?

[graysoncourse]

you cant be gay and bi. youre either gay or youre bi. you cant be both. also @honeynuttedcheerios said my thoughts exactly in the replies, the word makes me really uncomfortable lol. im allowed to censor and think it should be censored, im a gay guy

[otoconia]

“Gay” is pretty dual-use at this point, covering both SGA and 100% gay men/lesbians. This has been a thing for some decades and has worked pretty well, despite some confusion.

[graysoncourse]

yeah i know that but im talking about exclusively gay men/women here. you cant be gay and bi. h*moromantic is an exclusively gay identity, while bisexuality isnt. you cant be gay and bi at the same time. youre either exclusively attracted to your similar gender, or youre not. you just,,cant be gay and bi at the same time

[otoconia]

I’m confused on what you’re objecting to here. Is it split-attraction model identities themselves being incompatible, or the fact that someone who identifies as homoromo/bisexual would later identify as gay? Is it okay if they say that those orientations make them technically bi?

[graysoncourse]

i think the first one is closest to my point. im saying that you literally cant be attracted to more than one genders at once and call yourself h*moromantic. youre not gay if you like more genders than your own/a similar one

[graysoncourse]

but you chose to be lgbt. you're a heterosexual female who identifies as trans - you're still heterosexual, you're not gay at all bc you're not exclusively attracted to the same sex and gay men want nothing to do with females. gross homophobe.