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!! vents && rambles blog
!! Syscourse gremlin now.
for my syscourse stance: i am 'anti'. not in the way ppl may think, tho. i won't deny anyone the ability to say tht they r things, bc ultimately tht's their choice etc. howevr, personal perception doesn't mean you can use those same experiences as tho they r scientific fact. it's important to undrstand the differences between personal perception and terms vs wht is scientific undrstanding. ty for reading.
actually i thought about this. this isn't a callout, this is a call-in. white systems, i am literally begging you to hold each other accountable. stop making it safe for other white systems to engage in racist bullshit.
stop letting alters that don't belong to an ethnic group claim it.
stop letting fetishization of "exotic" culture slide.
stop letting people google names in other languages and not show those languages the respect they deserve. like ffs, at least learn how to pronounce what your part is calling themself. at least learn the context the word is used in.
stop being nonconfrontational about racism. yeah, you'll ruffle some feathers. maybe those feathers need to be ruffled.
stop. letting. this. shit. slide.
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i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
Hi, diagnosed (clinical) traumagenic DID system here, whose alters see themselves as separate people
- Talking about personal experiences and identity, and intentionally educating others, aren't the same thing. Your wording indicates they're either the same, or that most people talking about their experiences are trying to educate people, when they're not.
- You're saying you dislike the entire plural community because they identify as plural, and say that they're plural, or that they see each other as separate. You dislike a community because of a personal experience they share and discuss.
- Alter might have meant only fragmented pieces in older clinical settings, but not anymore. It has multiple uses in medical literature now, and not all of them are talking about alters as fragmented pieces, because many alters come from creation, and not fragmentation (although different terms can also be used and are sometimes more popular). There's a reason 'self-state' and 'part' are popular in medical literature.
- You're claiming that 'alter' only has a singular use, and so can't be used by anybody who doesn't follow your use, which results in you either trying to exclude a multitude of traumagenic, disordered systems, from their terminology, or trying to make people share your view of alters
- People talking about their lived experiences of identifying as multiple people, aren't trying to educate others on what alters are for everybody. That's why they're personal experiences. They're not generalising experiences of alters, unlike what you're doing here.
- You're claiming that no system in a clinical setting can identify their alters as separate people, and/or that systems can't be in a clinical setting unless they identify each other as fragments.
- Not what all alters are, and not educating when just talking
- You're basing your views off your personal experience, and refusing to take into consideration anybody else's experiences, leading to you dismissing everybody else, and trying to gatekeep terminology. This is why you're forcing your personal views onto others, because you're trying to have people share your view when your view goes against their experiences. You're saying that others are automatically in the wrong because they don't adhere to your view.
- You were originally talking about the plural community, and how their alters are all fragments. Not that alters in dissociative disorders are all fragments. That's not making things 'abundantly clear', that's contradicting yourself. The way you've worded every comment leads to you talking about every single system, not dissociative disorders, like you've now claimed.
- Again claiming it's not possible for a system with a dissociative disorder in a clinical setting to identify their alters as separate people
Also, you need to understand the definition of a person. Even going solely by the definition of fragmentation, many alters still align with concepts of personhood. They can be both separate people and fragments at the same time.
We can sort of see where you're coming from. But you've worded all of this as generalising all systems experiences with alters, and ignored others views and experiences on the basis that yours is correct and superior in comparison, and that anybody who doesn't share your views, don't have valid experiences of alters. It might not have been your intention, but you keep doubling down on your disregard for others' experiences, because they don't share your experiences, and because of medical information that's no longer accurate. Hopefully, that makes sense.
either your incapable of reading properly, or your incredibly dense and obtuse pick your struggle
yh, pls read the comments of this blog and my follow up blog to undrstand wht was actually meant here 😭
i am talking abt conflicting personal identity/self-terms to wht clinical undrstanding is. i nvr say tht ppl can't hve this view even in the original blog. i undrstand may b it wasn't written the best way but i do go into more depth so pls read more of it. tysm for ur criticism it is heard and i don't mean to come across as tho i am generalising.
i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
like guys wht r we doing tht's wht alters literally r 😭 also lwk i find it so funny tht i came alive again purely bc of this
also if ur the person who put me in ur doc calling me a systemphobe or at least implying tht pls remove me from tht bc wdym being upset abt misinformation is me being 'systemphobic'?? if ur gna say u hve alters u gotta know wht alters actually r
for some systems, their headmates are separate people. especially plural systems without a cdd. some view their experience as systems as 'multiple people in one brain' so of course they may say their headmates as separate.
tho this is a different experience than having a cdd and being a system because of that, because cdd systems are usually fragmented identity states because of trauma.
hey, jst saying here tht in this post i am talking abt alters as a clinical thing, which means yes, they r fragmented pieces of a whole. i am not saying tht ppl can't feel as tho they r plural/multiple but i am expressing my distaste for the info of "alters r LITERALLY separate", bc in tht clinical standpoint, and wht i was saying, tht is fundamentally wht is true abt alters
oh yeah completely agree. alters are fragmantations. don't people usually agree on that?
apparently not 😭 it's wht my gripe actually is and i think tht i am in fact p valid in hving my opinion on tht lol. tysm for undrstanding where i'm actually coming from and sry if tht wasn't as clear in my original post. i did say in comments wht the issue actually was tht i had but those r relatively new so i undrstand if you didn't see those
You're fine! I think people are having trouble understanding what you're saying because of how's written. with all the "cutting letters from words" thing. I get you're trying to shorten the words, but it makes it much more difficult to understand what you're saying /gen
(also not completely your fault, people's reading comprehension is usually bad anyways. I get a pass because English is not my first language)
tht's fair! yh, sry 😭 i do use abbreviations bc it's easier for me but i do ofc undrstand tht. ty again for listening to wht i actually mean tho i'm glad i cld clear tht up!!
That's crazy "pro science" and ignores the science.. It's like they're TRYING to make a fool of themself </3
NO FR 😭😭
also wdym i'm 'shoving my view down ppl's throats'?? like pls. if i'm doing tht then say tht scientific undrstanding is too
i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
like guys wht r we doing tht's wht alters literally r 😭 also lwk i find it so funny tht i came alive again purely bc of this
also if ur the person who put me in ur doc calling me a systemphobe or at least implying tht pls remove me from tht bc wdym being upset abt misinformation is me being 'systemphobic'?? if ur gna say u hve alters u gotta know wht alters actually r
for some systems, their headmates are separate people. especially plural systems without a cdd. some view their experience as systems as 'multiple people in one brain' so of course they may say their headmates as separate.
tho this is a different experience than having a cdd and being a system because of that, because cdd systems are usually fragmented identity states because of trauma.
hey, jst saying here tht in this post i am talking abt alters as a clinical thing, which means yes, they r fragmented pieces of a whole. i am not saying tht ppl can't feel as tho they r plural/multiple but i am expressing my distaste for the info of "alters r LITERALLY separate", bc in tht clinical standpoint, and wht i was saying, tht is fundamentally wht is true abt alters
oh yeah completely agree. alters are fragmantations. don't people usually agree on that?
apparently not 😭 it's wht my gripe actually is and i think tht i am in fact p valid in hving my opinion on tht lol. tysm for undrstanding where i'm actually coming from and sry if tht wasn't as clear in my original post. i did say in comments wht the issue actually was tht i had but those r relatively new so i undrstand if you didn't see those
you’re literally right about alters, people who decide to see themselves as 20+ separate individual entire human beings who somehow share a body I guess don’t change anything about the reality and science of alters and dissociative disorders. people just take any post tagged syscourse as an excuse to whine at you about their personal identity and how your view of a medical condition must account directly for their personal self-understanding lol.
tysm actually lmao. the fact tht the person i'm 'arguing' w has in their intro tht they're 'pro-science' and 'anti-misinfo' makes it sm funnier bc i am talking abt the clinical view. ppl can read the othr comments to know tht i hve no inherent issue w ppl who use terms like plural/multiple etc but it's esp an issue when they educate abt dissociative disorders and only go by tht specific self-view and not wht the clinical undrstanding is. it adds to misinfo, it doesn't take away from it
tysm for ur support and taking the time to send me this, much appreciated! i thought i was going insane lwk
okay so apparently it's NOT an issue to spread misinfo abt wht alters actually r within clinical contexts. good to know syscourse usr who's 'pro-science' yet speaks as tho science somehow doesn't apply.
since ur so against misinfo, let me put wht i hve been saying straight: alters, in context of dissociative disorders bc alters is a MEDICAL TERM, r fragmented pieces of the whole. you shld know this. ppl shld know this is the actual reality. i am not saying ppl can't feel as tho they r plural/multiple nor am i saying they can't at all say they r as if they're 'multiple ppl', but when you choose to educate on dissociative disorders, like i hve been talking abt, it's vital tht you explain alters through the lens of clinical instead of personal opinion or view. you can still state ur view even when educating, but you hve to also make it clear tht alters in science r fragmented pieces of the psyche. tht is wht i hve been saying. i am not 'forcing a view down ppl's throats' bc tht is wht science says. if you hve a problem w me citing clinical studies/undrstanding, then take it up w medical professionals, not me who is talking abt it. i am not in the wrong for being upset tht ppl who r claiming to educate abt dissociative disorders r spreading the rhetoric tht alters r LITERALLY SEPARATE PPL bc tht is not wht the science actually says. i am not in the wrong for being an upset pwDID bc of how medical terms r being used. it is not right to call me 'systemphobic' bc of an opinion i hve based on my clinical views of a disorder tht i hve to live w daily. i nvr said or even claimed tht ppl who use the terms plural/multiple r wrong bc i do undrstand why ppl like those terms and tht's fine. i hve no inherent issue w tht.
i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
like guys wht r we doing tht's wht alters literally r 😭 also lwk i find it so funny tht i came alive again purely bc of this
also if ur the person who put me in ur doc calling me a systemphobe or at least implying tht pls remove me from tht bc wdym being upset abt misinformation is me being 'systemphobic'?? if ur gna say u hve alters u gotta know wht alters actually r
for some systems, their headmates are separate people. especially plural systems without a cdd. some view their experience as systems as 'multiple people in one brain' so of course they may say their headmates as separate.
tho this is a different experience than having a cdd and being a system because of that, because cdd systems are usually fragmented identity states because of trauma.
hey, jst saying here tht in this post i am talking abt alters as a clinical thing, which means yes, they r fragmented pieces of a whole. i am not saying tht ppl can't feel as tho they r plural/multiple but i am expressing my distaste for the info of "alters r LITERALLY separate", bc in tht clinical standpoint, and wht i was saying, tht is fundamentally wht is true abt alters
i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
like guys wht r we doing tht's wht alters literally r 😭 also lwk i find it so funny tht i came alive again purely bc of this
also if ur the person who put me in ur doc calling me a systemphobe or at least implying tht pls remove me from tht bc wdym being upset abt misinformation is me being 'systemphobic'?? if ur gna say u hve alters u gotta know wht alters actually r
i find it so funny tht i hve now been called a 'systemphobe' bc i said tht i disliked the plural community for talking abt alters as tho they're literally separate instead of fragmented pieces of a whole 😭 so funny actually pls
alters is a symptom, not the disorder. DID/OSDD disorders are a collection of symptoms.
having one symptom of the disorder doesn't mean you have the disorder. you can have intrusive thoughts without OCD, you can feel nervous without anxiety, you can hallucinate without schizophrenia, etc.
someone who has alters/headmates/whatever without a CDD are not people "trying to fake having a CDD" by having that one symptom.
except for the fact that "alter" is a CDD-specific term and isn't the same as whatever the fuck endogenics have going on. so yeah, if you say you have alters, you're inadvertently saying you have a CDD.
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