Dandylioness

Mostly Chris Messina, Noah Wyle, The Pitt, Tick Tick Boom, and Hamilton related

[mariacallous]

[fromchaostocosmos]

[honeyapplebutterfly]

If things related to Jewishness or Judaism immediately make you say Free Palestine you are an antisemite. If you cannot see a Star of David without thinking Free Palestine then you are an antisemite. That’s all there is to it. “But there’s no bad time to advocate for a free Palestine!” Yet you don’t say it on LGBTQ pride posts. You don’t say it to random Christian people. You don’t say it about random posts about disabled people. There is one and only one minority who’s existence elicits a flood of “free Palestine.”

[sweeetestcurse]

Chris Messina as Will Harper in The Boogyman 02/?

[sweeetestcurse]

Chris Messina as Will Harper in The Boogyman 01/?

[kosher-toasty]

If the only Jewish thing you could name in the past week is your bagel; if you understand that racists use "inner city" when they really mean Black but unironically carp about "AIPAC dark money" even when it rankles Jews; if you have the "antizionism isn't antisemitism" card at the ready for the next attack against a Jew or synagogue; then I'm not sorry - I don't trust your politics and I don't trust you, no matter how blue your ballot is. And when you complain in the future about how your Jewish acquaintances no longer talk to you, I'm giving you a mirror so you can see exactly who cashed in those tokens.

[snowviolettwhite]

I am so sick of people saying if someone is a person of color or queer in some way they can’t be antisemitic, despite the fact history books will tell you the opposite, multiple times.

Non Jews want Jewish allyship while praising people like Kayne West as geniuses, if he was a white man you would call him a white supremacist and a nazi.

Having a nazi and racist phase a teenager is not normal. Also just saying if I had friends who hate-crimed me, I wouldn’t still be friends with them. You cannot say nazi symbols are racist while saying Jewish people are white.

[denimbex1986]

[thebreakfastgenie]

Sometimes people talk about diversity on the Pitt as if Robby is not a part of it and I’m honestly not sure if it’s always antisemitism or if some of it is people having the attention span and memory of goldfish and forgetting that he’s Jewish.

[thebreakfastgenie]

Despite the Jewish doctor stereotype there was one Jewish main character in 15 years of ER and he only had one Jewish parent and it rarely came up and the writing was kind of inconsistent when it did. He was the original lead but he also left halfway through.

Grey’s Anatomy, for all its diversity, had one Jewish character in the original main cast and it was mostly played for the humor of the unexpected. She has a Jewish stepfather and her mother is implied to have converted when they got married. It doesn’t come up a lot and her name is literally Cristina. I haven’t kept up with the show, I think there has been at least one other Jewish character in the main cast since, but Cristina was it for a long time.

House had two Jewish characters in the original main cast but it rarely came up, even when Cuddy and Wilson became more central to the story and certainly never had the significance. Chase’s Catholicism did. I think Taub is Jewish but that also barely comes up and again his name is Chris.

I haven’t seen Chicago Med so I’m not sure what the situation is there but that’s the only other big medical drama I can think of in recent years. Not sure about Scrubs either, but the current hospital sitcom St. Denis Medical doesn’t have any visibly Jewish characters so far.

[imadandylioness]

People don’t realize that Jews are an ethnicity. We are a people that also has a religion. Dara Horn’s great quote:

“Jews are a joinable tribe with a shared culture, language, history, religion, and place of origin.”

I think even if unconscious it’s that if it’s something to be celebrated or depicted positively, they “forget” or ignore Robby or Noah’s Jewish identity. So talk about inclusion and diversity and underrepresented identities?Jews just don’t count that way. Please read David Baddiel’s Jews Don’t Count.

If they want to use it for something negative, use an anti Jewish trope or cloud it in “Zionist” accusations, they “remember” or reference his Jewish identity usually with coded dog whistles they may not even be aware they are using.

Jews have always been defined based on that person’s perception. Most of the time Jews are grouped in as only “white” and our ethnicity erased if convenient for a narrative they are telling. More often than not if the perception that “white” is negative, inauthentic, without culture, Jews are uber white, extremely privileged, most likely rich, face zero adversity. For white supremacists, Jews never pass the test, not only are they not “white” but accused of great replacement theory of trying to poison the race. We are the definition of conditionally useful for their own psychiatry. It’s about them, not us. It is a Rorschach test based on the person speaking. Jews predate the concept of race.

And this doesn’t even get into the fact that Jews come in every single skin tone.

[thebreakfastgenie]

One time in high school I said I was ethnically Jewish and one of my classmates tried to tell me that wasn't a thing because Judaism is a religion not an ethnicity. This was an overwhelmingly Evangelical Christian area, I literally knew of one other Jewish person in town besides my mom and sibling. You're absolutely right and "Jews predate the concept of race" is an excellent way to phrase it.

I think what's getting me about this take I've been seeing is even if you don't know that, Robby is still clearly a member of a religious minority. That's still diversity. And maybe they're using "diversity" as a synonym for a very specific definition of people of color but I suspect they'd automatically include LGBT characters in their definition of diversity regardless of race and I suspect they're including Mel on the basis of being an autistic woman even thought she's white.

[imadandylioness]

It really is amazing how non Jews feel qualified and confident to tell us what we are and what we aren’t. And I agree, it’s still diversity but many consider religion strictly belief based, like an elective choice. In most religions, stop believing you’re no longer a member. Some are really shocked by the concept of Jewish atheists, but very much exist.

[splattergutz]

so let’s Not imply that a jewish person is lesser based on the shape of their nose. that’s very odd & anti semitic behavior !

[imadandylioness]

This is literal Nazi behavior. And dehumanizing to Isa too.

History lesson/Nazi Propaganda:

[thebreakfastgenie]

Sometimes people talk about diversity on the Pitt as if Robby is not a part of it and I’m honestly not sure if it’s always antisemitism or if some of it is people having the attention span and memory of goldfish and forgetting that he’s Jewish.

[thebreakfastgenie]

Despite the Jewish doctor stereotype there was one Jewish main character in 15 years of ER and he only had one Jewish parent and it rarely came up and the writing was kind of inconsistent when it did. He was the original lead but he also left halfway through.

Grey’s Anatomy, for all its diversity, had one Jewish character in the original main cast and it was mostly played for the humor of the unexpected. She has a Jewish stepfather and her mother is implied to have converted when they got married. It doesn’t come up a lot and her name is literally Cristina. I haven’t kept up with the show, I think there has been at least one other Jewish character in the main cast since, but Cristina was it for a long time.

House had two Jewish characters in the original main cast but it rarely came up, even when Cuddy and Wilson became more central to the story and certainly never had the significance. Chase’s Catholicism did. I think Taub is Jewish but that also barely comes up and again his name is Chris.

I haven’t seen Chicago Med so I’m not sure what the situation is there but that’s the only other big medical drama I can think of in recent years. Not sure about Scrubs either, but the current hospital sitcom St. Denis Medical doesn’t have any visibly Jewish characters so far.

[imadandylioness]

People don’t realize that Jews are an ethnicity. We are a people that also has a religion. Dara Horn’s great quote:

“Jews are a joinable tribe with a shared culture, language, history, religion, and place of origin.”

I think even if unconscious it’s that if it’s something to be celebrated or depicted positively, they “forget” or ignore Robby or Noah’s Jewish identity. So talk about inclusion and diversity and underrepresented identities?Jews just don’t count that way. Please read David Baddiel’s Jews Don’t Count.

If they want to use it for something negative, use an anti Jewish trope or cloud it in “Zionist” accusations, they “remember” or reference his Jewish identity usually with coded dog whistles they may not even be aware they are using.

Jews have always been defined based on that person’s perception. Most of the time Jews are grouped in as only “white” and our ethnicity erased if convenient for a narrative they are telling. More often than not if the perception that “white” is negative, inauthentic, without culture, Jews are uber white, extremely privileged, most likely rich, face zero adversity. For white supremacists, Jews never pass the test, not only are they not “white” but accused of great replacement theory of trying to poison the race. We are the definition of conditionally useful for their own psychiatry. It’s about them, not us. It is a Rorschach test based on the person speaking. Jews predate the concept of race.

And this doesn’t even get into the fact that Jews come in every single skin tone.

[noeggsalad]

It is interesting that the people who go on hate-rants about the Pitt are in two camps that directly oppose each other.

Simultaneously, the Pitt is unwatchable because of how it centers woke critical race theory and feminist epistemology, and unwatchable because it is one white man's* racist misogynist egocentric drivel

Like these are the two kinds of hate-opinions shared about the Pitt:

and

*Noah Wyle is obviously Jewish (nor is he the only one in charge), but if you mention this, then he just gets called a Zionist instead

[imadandylioness]

Not the only 🧲 that exists but a good primer example

[satanicfranic]

the way some of you guys in the fandom speak about Noah Wyle, not even his character of Robby, but specifically Noah Wyle the actor is incredibly concerning to me, actually

i’d like to preface the rest of this by saying that i’m white, i did however pay attention in my history class, and do believe in freedom, respect, and dignity for all

when you guys hear about Supriya leaving, or Shabana not being in the show in the same way (which many took as leaving outright) and you blame Noah Wyle, claiming he made these decisions unilaterally, you are implying he has ultimate control or power over the show and its decisions (which, by the way, is ostensibly false).

i beg for you to consider what that says. what you’re saying is that a Jewish man (because despite how white you believe he is, he is Jewish) holds total control, the puppeteer of the production. you are directly feeding into that antisemitic trope.

this only gets worse when you deem he has a racist, misogynistic vendetta. again, what you are saying, when stripped of the morally righteous facade, is that a Jewish man with a secret plan is controlling your show to enact said plan.

this is not only word for word historical antisemitic tropes seen in nazi propaganda, but it is also the same rhetoric seen in contemporary antisemitism which claims that Jewish people, in particular Jewish men, control the media.

you are, whether intentional or unintentional, well intended or ill intended, consciously or unconsciously, spewing the very same antisemitic dog whistles.

and when Jewish folk call you out on it, or the women of colour who work with Noah Wyle speak positively of him, you ignore it. you cover your ears and keep talking.

or you switch gears and label him a zionist. why? because he’s Jewish, and he’s proud of his Jewish identity, so he must be.. right? (sarcasm) while completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of anti zionist Jewish people, or the complex nuanced relationships that Jewish diaspora have with the state of israel and its crimes due to propaganda. or, again, you ignore the fact that many people he works with, who speak positively of him and who he speaks positively of as well, have aligned themselves with the pro palestinian movement.

it is also just straight up antisemitic to hear a person is Jewish and immediately assume they must be a zionist.

i’m not here to tell you that you have to love him, you don’t, but we all have a responsibility to not spread hateful, violent, dangerous rhetoric, even when we don’t mean to.

for those who are interested in understanding this more, i want to direct you to, first just listen to Jewish members of the fandom

and also

@club-medical who has labelled themselves as a resource for historical antisemitism as well as antisemitic tropes/conspiracies

two good starting places are HERE and HERE

and

@shakedownstreet73 whose posts (and fic) highlight the multifaceted elements of modern Jewry and Judaism

a great starting post is HERE

i got express permission from both of them to include them at the end of this post

[imadandylioness]

I very much appreciate this post and I must call attention to this one part because I think it’s important

“the complex nuanced relationships that Jewish diaspora have with the state of israel and its crimes due to propaganda”

Implying that only Jews are propagandized or manipulated about this is just inaccurate. I say this as a Jewish fan of this show, so I hope the ask to listen to us is in fact genuine. The antisemitic tropes correctly described above are the evidence of propaganda and manipulation. It’s not a jump that those same people could be manipulated about their perception of the only Jewish country in the world and all the people who live there.

Perhaps everyone should reflect on whether they have been propagandized about this: for falling into antisemitic tropes and thinking long systemic in the world, AND if they are subject to antizionist propaganda as well.

The very term of Zionism bandied about so easily is not even the definition used by most that identify with it.

If someone wants to accuse Noah of something be specific not use a blanket term whose definition(s) have been so warped no one is even having the same conversation.

[noahwhyle]

NOAH WYLE for Variety’s Actors on Actors with Noah Wyle and Sally Field (June 12, 2026)

[chutzpahchesed]

people online be like “I’m not antisemitic” and then they see any famous Jew and talk about how ugly they are, compare them to rats and demons and insects, say they must have paid zio money for their careers, accuse them of eating babies, call them Jew (pejorative) supremacists, claim they have no culture, and say they’re degenerates corrupting art and society. Goebbels would be so proud of the goyische internet right now.

[sturstead]

some of the discourse around noah wyle really demonstrates how people treat jewishness as simultaneously invisible and hypervisible depending on what rhetorical purpose they need it to serve

[sturstead]

let me elaborate even though i didn’t want to: when the point is privilege, he’s just a rich white man. his jewishness disappears into whiteness, because acknowledging it would require people to think with a little more nuance about how jewish people can be perceived differently in different contexts. but the second people want to turn him into some kind of uniquely sinister figure, suddenly the language starts looking very familiar to me and to other jewish fans.

he’s “demonic”, he looks “satanic”, he’s secretly controlling everything behind the scenes. he’s allegedly harming actors he doesn’t like. he has this hidden power over the workplace, over the show, over people’s careers, over the rest of the writers, over the SHOWRUNNER. he will fire fellow cast members that piss him off or are “too progressive” to his liking. and whether people intend it or not, that is not neutral language when it is being aimed at a jewish man, because this is the thing: antisemitism is not just slurs and swastikas, and a lot of the time it works through older narrative patterns. the jew as secretly powerful, the jew as manipulative, the jew as corrupting, the jew as physically marked by evil. the jew as someone who tries to appear respectable in public while supposedly pulling the strings in private. those ideas have been around for a very long time, and they do not suddenly become harmless because the people saying them are in a fandom space and think they are just “criticizing a celebrity.”

and to be clear, this doesn’t mean ashkenazi jews are never white, or that jewish celebrities can’t have white privilege, class privilege, or industry power. the point is that jewishness does not always fit neatly into the sometimes flattened american white/non-white framework we’re all familiar with. ashkenazi jews can be perceived as white, move through the world with many of the advantages of whiteness, and still be racialized through antisemitism when the context shifts. that conditional quality matters. jewishness can be treated as irrelevant when people want to talk about privilege, then suddenly become legible through conspiratorial or dehumanizing tropes when people want to construct a jewish person as dangerous.

just like with every other minority, you do not have to personally believe you are being bigoted for the shape of your argument to fall into harmful patterns. and if your criticism of a jewish public figure keeps circling around secret control, behind-the-scenes manipulation, career destruction, satanic/demonic appearance, and moral contamination, then you should take another good fucking look at yourself.

[librastrai]

"noah hates woc!! he's getting rid of them all / threatened by them" would hold far more weight in the pitt if

there weren't multiple woc & poc in general on the show (3 mains & multiple reoccuring characters)

the people saying this weren't so determined to cast robby as the evil white man when he is a jewish man (a racialized ethnic minority) in a show that is incredibly jewish, has helped noah come back to his jewishness & in a time when jewish hate crimes are on astronomical proportions

& lastly, weren't salivating consistently to have a spin off centred around dr abbot / begging to all but have his dick out on screen !! the actual fully white wasp american character !!

[jewish-vents]

“you hate every artist for being pro-Palestine! they can’t be pro-Palestine without risking their careers! the Zionists try to silence them!” yeah no. everyone who’s done this, every single one, has spun it into a career boost which is a kinda nasty opportunistic way to treat a war they insist is a genocide. the media totally whitewashes the shit these celebrities say and pretends like it’s normal.

I don’t have a problem with artists being pro-Palestine, but ARE they? or are they anti-Israel even existing? are they antisemities who finally get to get away with it out loud? are they posting and repeating blood libel, misinformation, demonizing Israelis, calling Hamas “resistance,” and helping stoke the flames of Judenhass globally? show me where famous people like Susan Sarandon and Mark Ruffalo and whatever actor of the week Variety decides to post puff pieces and videos where they claim to be “against genocide” have helped at all or ever promoted peace? Julian Casablancas ranting about (((Zionists))) and being racist, how did that help Gaza? Kneecap got famous for worshipping terror orgs, have they helped Gazans? how about Hayley Williams and Lorde and the rest of the xenophobic crowd who pulled their music from Israel, or Emma Stone and everyone else who signed that film boycott list, did that materially impact Palestinians? no? wow how weird. it’s almost like they’re high on their own supply of a hate campaign. there’s also too many of these names to even remember any more yet barely any famous Jews are even able to say one word about antisemitism because they know what will happen if they do.

I’d love to see literally anyone on “Artists for Ceasefire” actually give a fuck about the ceasefire. I’d love to see any celebrity who claims to be pro-Palestine do that by being anti-Hamas and be able to hate Bibi without hating all Israelis and promoting Protocol type conspiracies. I’d love to see any of them support a better future of coexistence. it’s been nearly three years though and we haven’t seen that from any of the ones being the loudest.

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