This is such a bullshit post so I'm gonna go through and talk about it bit by bit.
it's funny how status-quo-hater told me transandrophobia wasn't actually about misandry but was transandro-phobia which you know, isn't how words work anyway.
"isn't how words work anyway" - I don't know who made you the arbiter of the English language, but "trans + andro + phobia" does indeed follow the normative rules for creating a word like that. "transandro" meaning transgender man plus the suffix "phobia", literally meaning fear but has obviously expanded beyond that to include hate and bigotry. If we can understand that "bisexual" does not literally mean "of two sexes", or "biphobia" does not mean "fear of two things", then we can understand that "transandrophobia" means "bigotry targeted at trans men/mascs". Skill issue, I guess.
and i looked at st-dionysus' post about it (the creep who popularised this shit) and oh, he doesn't define like that. he defines as the intersection between misandry which is 100% a legitimate oppression and transphobia.
You mean this post, I assume. Which. Doesn't say what you're describing here at all, actually. Misandry is never mentioned, or that it is a form of oppression. How transandrophobia is defined is: "Transandrophobia is the way that the fear of men impacts the material reality and mental/physical health of transgender men." I don't see how that's at odds with the definition above, either.
genderkoolaid talks about it in the same way, including on his shitty little guide to mra theory and bragging about how much trans women sleep with him "in the real world".
Again I'm assuming you mean this shitty little guide, which doesn't mention MRA theory whatsoever. There's an inherent difference to "trans men are a marginalised group of people and experience unique discrimination targeted at their gender identity (being transmasc/trans men)", and "(cis) men should be allowed to own (cis) women as property, (cis) women are actually at fault for (cis) men's suffering (and not the patriarchy), and also (cis) women are able to cry about their problems to get away with being bad people." Newsflash, MRA's actually hate trans men. Saying "well this group of marginalised men are asking for rights because of their marginalisation, so that must mean that they're the same as MRAs, because they're men asking for rights" is just stupid. That's like saying white disabled people are white supremacists because they're white people asking for rights. It's a non-sequitur.
There's also no mention of said bragging on this post, so it seems like you just pulled that from elsewhere (out of your ass, perhaps?) to tack onto this like it's relevant. It's not.
Before moving on, I'd like to reiterate OP here says: "genderkoolaid talks about it IN THE SAME WAY" and then goes on to say:
if you can't even be honest about what you believe, then i don't trust you on anything.
Buddy you JUST SAID they agreed. You just said those two bloggers that you mentioned talk about transandrophobia in the same way. How is that dishonest? And between those two definitions and the one status-quo-hater gave, there's really not much of a vast difference.
either your theory is wildly inconsistent on the most base level
Currently, there's two ways people understand transandrophobia theory:
Discrimination, oppression, or bigotry aimed at trans men and transmasculine people
The way that hatred and/or fear of men is used in tandem with transphobia to create a unique experience that negatively impacts trans men and transmasculine people
These two definitions are not at odds with each other, and in fact the latter fits neatly into the former. I think the main thing people are still figuring out is whether the intersection of misogyny and transphobia aimed at trans men and transmascs counts as transandrophobia. Some say it does, as it comes under the first definition, and some say it doesn't as per the second.
With all that being said, this theory is still in its infancy, and so many are working toward establishing it better, which means people are going to disagree and there's not really going to be 100% concrete ideas just yet. And it's people like you spouting this kind of crap that are actively pushing back against this progress, and then crying "look! some people are saying slightly different things! this means everything you're saying must be wrong and you must be lying!"
or you're a liar saving face so you can shut down trans women critiquing you.
I wish I was joking about the lying part. People disagreeing or having slightly differing opinions about the nuances of a newly formed theory isn't lying. Also I don't think trans women should be "critiquing" a theory that is about a different subset of marginalised people, nor talking over their experiences. The use of critiquing here is wild too, because, that whole post? Very much not a critique but rather a very bitter and bad faith argument for why a subset of people shouldn't be allowed to talk about their experiences and oppression the way they want. That isn't criticism, that's plain bigotry.
that's what you use your supposed educational history for, isn't it? to position yourself as a true trans activist above the trans women critiquing you. they're just infighters looking for a scrap while you, well, you're the enlightened feminist who conveniently doesn't talk to transfeminists or have any really engaging positively with you.
The rest of this is just bitter and sad and just a completely untrue strawman. I find it ironic that this person is trying to position people who talk about transandrophobia theory as just dismissing "critiques" as infighting, when this very post is, well, just discourse infighting. Like we can actively point to posts and people where that actually is the case, and this is one example.
I do love the whole, "conveniently doesn't talk to transfeminists or have them engaging with you". It really goes to show the attitude of current "transfeminism" on this website. Because there are actually many many transfeminists talking about this. You just don't think it's transfeminism because it doesn't centre trans women 100% of the time. Transandrophobia theory is transfeminism at its core, and yet, that's not good enough. And that attitude just stems from bigotry and transphobia. It's really, truly, quite ironic. But also just really, really sad.
