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Would love to know what went through the heads of those that had read, and was fan of the httyd books before the first movie came out, and then saw the trailer and movie, deeply confused, but still pleasantly surprised.
“what do you mean Ruffnut is a teenager? Oh she’s funny.”
“Who is Astrid?”
“Wait how old are the kids in this?”
“Wait, Hiccup and Snotlout are still cousins? RIGHT?! No?”
“Gobber is……… supportive? Mostly kind? Huh??????”
“Toothless is black, and big? AND SO CUTE.”
“This is NOT the plot of the books, but it’s SO good!”
“WHERE IS OLD WRINKLY?!?!”
“Terrible terrors huh? That design is…. Huh.”
And so on and so on, i literally can’t imagine these weren’t legit reactions for a lot.
"I'm slowly forgetting your face" but it's snotlout from the books
Just … why a hole in the ground ? Why ? Why is the supposed hidden dragon paradise the movie is named after just a really big cave with some magical looking biology and crystals inside it ? Why all the dragons just go live there ? Don’t they have free will ? How are they living in that place ? It’s a hole in the ground ! There is no way there is enough food down there for everyone ! And definitely there wouldn’t be enough space ! How about their habits, huh ? In this freaking hole in the ground how would each dragon species specific habits occur ? I’m talking about migrations, territory, egg laying season, their nests, predator and prey populations inside the damn hole in the ground, how would that work ? I don’t know ! The writers just wanted the dragons to be out of the picture in the end so they just literally buried them in the ground.
In the books, it’s just so much more simple. It’s stablished since book one that dragons are aquatic creatures able to breath underwater and that they are able to go into a deep coma sleep that can last years and via just that info you don’t need to think about any logistics of dragons going to sleep in the bottom of the ocean. It’s simple as that ! All our answers came from freaking Green Death of all dragons before they were even really questions outside of what Hiccup says about dragons going away in the prologue !
The fact that Hiccup thinks Camicazi’s biggest flaw is being a bit too pleased with herself. never mind the k*lling, stealing, occasional annoying behavior, and slightly questionable morals.
"I can excuse murder, burglary and profanity, but I draw the line at arrogance"
the How To Train Your Dragon books by Cressida Cowell are gothic literature, i will be elaborating at some point and that is a threat
Much like how well meaning grandparents will let their children read Watership Down because its just a silly book about rabbits, how bad could a rabbit book get, the How To Train Your Dragon series has a veneer of childishness and humor that overshadows its darker subjects. Further, the HTTYD movies are family films through and through, no matter how sad or violent they may get.
And, since that childish, humorous veneer is so thick at the beginning of the series, and because the movies differ so much from the source material, the HTTYD books get treated as just another silly children's series as a result, and the fact that they are prime examples of modern gothic literature is generally left unexplored.
Which is criminal.
If I had majored in Literature I could give you a comprehensive run down of what gothic literature is, and if I had ever finished this series and/or read the books that I do have within the last 5-10 years then I'd be able to connect it beautifully to the text with citations and everything, but dammit Jim, I'm a mathematician with health problems, so bullshit and half remembered genre conventions are going to have to do.
One of the main, lasting emotions in HTTYD is fear.
Oh sure, it might not seem like it at first. Hiccup is almost constantly afraid until he gets hit with the ADHD hyperfixation zoomies (relatable), Fishlegs is almost always afraid until he gets Enraged™ (also relatable), Camicazi is Very Definitely Not Afraid until things inevitably Get Worse, Toothless....well, Toothless isn't afraid until he's the one being threatened or he momentarily gets over his selfish nature. But, most of this is played off as humor, and we the readers aren't really afraid, regardless of what the characters feel.
Until, you know, the end of the first book.
Or those couple of chapters in the second book (the one about the baby dragon especially).
Or a fair bit of the fourth and fifth books.
Or almost the entirety of the eighth book and onward, especially that one fucking witch illustration (and isn't that interesting too, that the messy scribbles found throughout the series go from looking like childish doodles in the early books to something horrifyingly desperate, like the scratchings of a madman staring into death's eyes?) that has haunted me for years.
And yeah, sure, it's a very cartoonish sort of fear, the kind of fear where you're well aware that this is fiction and Not Real, so it doesn't actually matter, not really, not like it would if something bad was actually happening to you.
But it doesn't change the fact that these books are positively dripping with fear. Bathed in it. To the HTTYD books, fear isn't the one time a serial killer takes an interest in you, or the one time someone brings home a cursed doll. Fear is something inevitable. You can run from it, you can soften it with silly names and fun chapter titles, but you cannot escape it. Fear is the inevitable trajectory of these books. Like death. Like fate.
Which, as it just so happens, comes up a lot in HTTYD as well.
Much like the role of fear, the role of fate in the HTTYD series ramps up with each book. It's faint within the first book in comparison, but still present--Hiccup brings up fate quite a bit with regards to Toothless and his place in the tribe, for example.
The fourth book deals a lot with the idea of escaping fate, if I remember correctly, as does the seventh book, though that's more of changing fate, or more accurately, an ax.
The sixth book (again, if I remember correctly) starts to play with the idea of Hiccup's fate as the third Hiccup Horrendous Haddock in particular, which, as far as I know (yet again, I never finished this series) is basically The Entire Point of books eight and onward.
Alvin the Terrible is fate and fated.
Hiccup's mere existence runs withershins to the pull of fate, given who his mother had been fated to marry.
There are prophecies, and omens, and ghosts, and the songs of the dead (quite literally!) throughout.
Fate and fear are the bones of this series. Its atmosphere and aesthetics only add. The connection between Bad Things Happening and the environment is clear throughout the series, and its use is undeniably gothic in nature.
Gloomy weather is for brooding, sunshine is for brilliant escape plans. Fortresses loom. Home is bleak and muddy, and other islands are either untamed wilds home to horrors inside, or even more bleak because Something ate up all the life.
The sea is an unsurmountable distance between the Parent and Child that cannot understand one another, a depth that hides friend and foe alike, the thing that separates one consciousness from another, tribe from tribe, that which is to be feared because it is known and that which is to be feared because it is unknown.
The bird sings whip-poor-will.
Anyways.
The HTTYD books are gothic literature, but most folks never got far enough in the series to see them as such because they were introduced to them from the movies and expected something quite different, and those that did read them are not dissimilar to the saying about boiling a frog since the shift to darker and darker material was so artfully gradual. There's a lot more to be said about just how gothic HTTYD is (the villains, the plots, the conflicts, the way each book builds from the previous, the use of book six as both a resting point and as exposition, the role of dragons as the gothic, etc. etc.) and the genius of Cressida Cowell, but I've made my point and now I'm going to lie in it.
Consider the threat fulfilled.
Concept: How To Train Your Dragon but from the pov of Hiccup I and/or Hiccup II following around Hiccup III as ghosts.
@juniemunie tagging you because you drew something like this
Hiccup I and Hiccup II as narrators would be amazing. Hiccup I is sweet and supportive and whispers “you’re doing amazing sweetie” every chapter while Hiccup II is a sarcastic little shit whose commentary is entirely in Dragonese until Furious shows up, then he starts sobbing.
Hey guys so I know a film/series adaptation of the httyd books would never happen but a girl can dream so here is my dream cast for that:
Ok so this might be a bit controversial but I'd actually love this casting so much
Stoic as....
David Tennant! I know he doesn't have the Stoic build but I think his voice acting makes up for it like imagine him in a massive ginger wig it would be awesome.
Gobber as....
Doovid Toonant
I think Doovid is a great fit for Gobber as you can see in this picture he is great at yelling, and also a really underrated actor.
Hiccup as...
Davidé Tenné
This guy is already French so he can do Hiccup's french speaking and the ginger hair is a perfect fit. I know he looks a bit older than 10 but CGI can do anything these days so no hate please.
Camicazi as....
Dellina Tennont
Tell me that smirk doesn't give Camicazi it's perfect. Dellina just needs a big blonde wig and she's there.
Fishlegs as...
Doovid Teenie
I mean come on this is self explanatory guys
Alvin as...
Delvid Tannent
I think he would play an amazing villain given the chance!
Or Dannid Tootee:
Maybe he would be good for book 2 but after Delvid could take over for when Alvin is a bit more twisted.
The Witch as...
Davidette Talent
She looks weirdly similar to both of my Alvin picks imo and although she often plays nicer roles I think she could really pull this off.
And finally the voice actor for Toothless....
Doody Toont
This is only on my dreams though because he's currently in prison but yeah.
I hope you enjoyed reading and if anyone has suggestions for other characters please add to this!
Characters in httyd that never got to be children:
- Fishlegs
- Hiccup III
- Hiccup I
- Bearcub
- Eggingarde
- Camicazi
- Fireworm
Characters in httyd that never got to grow up:
- Hiccup II
- Snotlout
- Furious (kind of)(“I have been dead for many years…”)
HTTYD book things movie watchers are missing out on
(this is just propaganda to make you read the books)
Fishlegs is sassy. Possibly even more sassy than hiccup
Hiccup blows up the red death, while Still Inside the red death
There are actually tribes in the archipelago outside Berk and the Berserks
Toothless is a horrible small creature that regularly wakes Hiccup up at 3 AM and eats spoons
Camicazi
Hiccup realizes he’s left handed and immediately learns how to sword fight
Snotlout actively tries to murder Hiccup for about 11 books
There is a real character named Big-Boobied Bertha who’s main quality is her boobs that have killed before (and will kill again)
Hiccup Horrendous Haddock I and II are given backstories and are actually super important
Hiccup is shot in the foot with an arrow that was once In A Potato and becomes immune to every poison
The main characters spend a whole book traveling to America, only to immediately turn around the second they make it to shore
Toothless “cock-a-doodle-doos” like a rooster when he’s happy
Hiccup has a second dragon named Windwalker who’s basically just an extremely nervous borzoi
The Beserkers do monthly human sacrifices
Hiccup locks a witch in a cabinet and then beats her at chess
Every once in awhile Fishlegs gets to go on a murderous rampage
Hiccups shoots a man in the ass. While on skis
Toothless often wears a very small fur coat
Hiccup, Fishlegs, and Camicazi win a swimming race by coming back to shore three months later
Camicazi owns a dragon that speaks Norse, is a pathological liar, and changes color like a mood ring
The Vikings are actually pirates
Toothless stops a volcano eruption (after it’s already happened) by throwing a rock into it
Berk owns one ☝️ book that consists of two ✌️ sentences
Dragons have their own language that Hiccup taught himself
Hiccup trips and falls into becoming the boy of prophecy while moaning and groaning the entire way
Fishlegs writes a love letter to the heiress of another tribe, which leads to him and Hiccup becoming human sacrifices
Valhallarama (Hiccup’s mom) is a 6-foot buff war hero
Hiccup manages to trick his father and village into believing he is an entirely different boy by putting on an eyepatch
I feel like the httyd book fandom as a whole does not talk enough about Doom of the Darkwing bc wdym there's a prophecy that Camicazi and Hiccup will become enemies and also we will get a book 13 someday what
Hiccup the First was inspired by movie Hiccup, the movie came out before First's story appears in the books. Maybe actually do some research before you post your "theories"
if you’d actually fully read my post, you’d see that i specifically said i don’t know whether it was done intentionally or not but that it’s cool it could be interpreted that way :)
besides, cressida cowell worked very closely with dreamworks to develop the movies, and she must’ve had hiccup i and ii’s stories already thought out in her head, so she very likely could’ve communicated with the studio about it.
I love how the movie version of Hiccup took inspiration from all three Hiccups in the books. I have no idea if it was done intentionally or not, but it’s cool that it can be interpreted this way.
In the books, Hiccup I was the one who bridged the gap between humans and dragons, bringing a peace to the ongoing conflict. This storyline is also the main driving force of the movies.
Although less obvious, Hiccup II can also be seen in movie Hiccup. Hiccup II had an innocent personality which sought to keep peace between humans and dragons but ultimately led to his own demise. This naive trait is reflected in the second movie, except movie Hiccup’s lack of planning led to his father’s death and not his own.
Lastly and most obviously, movie Hiccup (whose name is literally Hiccup III) is based on Hiccup III, the main protagonist of the books. This can be seen through how movie Hiccup lives on Berk, has a father named Stoick the Vast, a best friend named Fishlegs, and a dragon named Toothless, etc, similar to book Hiccup III.
There is a scene in rtte (i really don't remember which episode) where the riders are getting attacked by the dragon hunters and Hiccup is like "Snotlout watch out for the arrows" and Snotlout is like "what can a little arrow do to me" ...ummm helloo??
Sir have you read the books?
Because an arrow did quite a lot to you.