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Haunted by the ghost of Jason Todd I’m afraid. Occasional art and writing posting! Blink and you’ll miss it other obsessions <3

[margotelizabee]

Hi! A little intro if you care :)

I love comics and character driven stories!

Mostly Jason Todd centric stuff here but I occasionally branch out (not a lot lol)

I write on A03 too! They are all Jason Todd centric stories focused on character dynamics

Check me out if you want!

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[glorioleapri]

Love the use of passive vs active voice here.

Died = something that happened

Murdered = something that happened to him

Never forget that regardless of the supposed justifications, regardless of whether Jason was reckless or naive or violent or angry or anything else of that sort...

Jason Todd was murdered by someone else.

[nivora128]

*head in my hands* You don't understand, you can't understand "Bruce brought Jason to the place he died" as merely an action, you have to understand it as a concept. Bruce didn't just brought Jason to a place, a geographical location, the Magdala Valley, Ethiopia, he brought Jason to the exact place where he died: a situation where he followed his parent out of trust and that person betrayed him. Jason didn't just died in "a warehouse in Ethiopia," he died in a warehouse where Sheila led him to and betrayed him, sold him out the Joker. Bruce led him to this exact place too, a place/ a situation where someone he trust betrayed him. Sheila led him to where he'd die, Bruce led him to where he died, it's the same, the same thing.

You still don't get it, do you. Listen, it's not a "--This is where you died." It's a "This is how you died."

Sheila 🤝 Bruce: Betrayed Jason's trust, chose the Joker instead of him, lied to him, led him to where he's die/ died (he still forgave them after that.)

And I just found out that Bruce knows that his mother sold him out to the Joker. Which makes this a hundred times worse. Bruce brought Jason here knowing it. Madness, madness, madness. Jason knows that Bruce knows too and do you think that hit him like a truck.

And this will be the second time this happened to Jason, what do you think he felt when he realized that he've walked right into that trap twice. Not only so, Bruce was there in adift too, and his role was the hero, someone who supposed to come to rescue but failed to. Now, Madgala Valley, Jason saw Bruce shifted from the role of a failed hero, but is still a hero, to the role of the parent who betrayed him. He saw Bruce shift from someone who once played the role that came to rescue him to the role of the one that actively took action to led him to his death. The horror. And Bruce, playing into the role, knowing he's playing into it.

This, Jason? You forgave him after this?

We'll never learn.

[thatsmurphyslaw]

My Spider-Man: Brand New Day Review! (Spoiler free)

This might be the movie of the year for me. Which is a big thing for me to say after Project Hail Mary.

This movie brought me right back to when i was a small kid getting into superhero movies for the first time. It was wonderful.

The Cinematography is absolutely stunning and brings New York City really to life. (If you get the chance go see it in 3D and/or 4DX —as i am gonna do for my second viewing) The world they build feels lived in, as if you'd actually see Spider-Man swinging if you'd come and visit.

Peter Parker is finally the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man again and i hope they make many, many more of these type of movies

[margotelizabee]

It’s been so long since I’ve seen a marvel movie that made me this giddie!!!

Please for the love of god go watch Spiderman brand new day!! It is so good!

Funny, smart, quick witted, I feels so much like a comic I’m going cry I loved it so much

[bloodsustainsme]

men beaten, bruised and covered in blood. i want you.

[fyresfly]

rent-lowering gunshots because my memesets and bop posting has welcomed a lot of new friends, but i just want to make sure we’re on the same page:

- i love jason todd.

- you should read jason’s robin stories. especially moench’s work.

- jason todd’s narrative does imply that he is a csa victim (bruce’s will recording in battle for the cowl, jason’s dialogue to mia in “seeing red”). it also explicitly includes him having deeply emotional reactions to sexual violence and violence against women (“dumpster slasher” and “diplomat’s son”).

- jason todd’s overarching narrative arc includes heavy themes of victimization and (institutional and interpersonal) violence. i have also read interesting metas about reader interpretations of jason’s stories as an allegory for an inadequate response to sexual assault.* due to all these factors, it is no wonder that readers who have been impacted by these real world themes identify with him.

- obviously jason todd is not the only character who contains these themes and events. please ask me about dinah lance and my various watsonian and doylist interpretations of the fallout of longbow hunters. but not here, because this is a jason todd post. and multiple characters can explore themes of victimhood. in multiple different ways. and you are doing a disservice to characters like mia and tara by saying “jason fans are making this up about him. read mia/tara instead” BECAUSE THESE ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS AND STORIES WITH DIFFERENT CONTEXTS, EVEN IF THEY SHARE THEMES.

- you do not have to base your reader interpretation of jason as heavily on these themes as many of his fans do. but that does not mean these reader interpretations are unfounded. neither are yours.

- jason todd has been an antagonist who’s done fucked up shit. (it was really cool he should do it again.) he’s also been a hero and a lover and a major cunt and a sweetie pie. all of these things are true (often all at once) and that’s why i love him.

* here

[arcade-confetti]

I'm so obsessed with what this comic had to tell us about the neck on Jason's Red Hood suit. Really opened my eyes to the potentials I'd missed before. He can open it up discowing style...

[vinelark]

everywhere i go i see his face—

[lookingthroughmirrors]

Jason was always going to leave.

That’s something I fully believe.

The breakdown of his relationship with Bruce started at the very beginning of that relationship. It was always built to fail.

Even if the Joker never happened, I feel like so many people skip the fact that Jason ran away. He ran away for a reason. Bruce drove him away. If he hadn’t run away then he would’ve later. He and Bruce are such different people and have such different fundamental morals that they were always going to clash in the end.

His whole tenure as Robin shows he was never content with how they were handling things. He’s always believed some people are past redemption. That has always been his character, well before Red Hood was even a thought.

He was always going to leave, even if the story changed.

[ladyloveandjustice]

Lying Retcons about what Jason was like as Robin:

Jason HATED criminals and has NO empathy for them and beats the shit out of all of them and doesn’t think they’re human. He doesn’t believe they can change, even simple thieves, despite the fact he’s a former thief so this makes no sense. Batman will have to point that hypocrisy out to him because Jason’s stupid I guess.

Actual Post crisis Robin Jason comics:

Detective Comics #571

Barman Annual #11

(Noticeably, Bruce is the one who argues criminals can't change here. He does change his mind at the end of the issue though)

Detective Comics #581

(I actually don't know if any other batkid has ever expressed that they feel sorry for one of their parents killers? Bruce does it in some versions of the 'meets Joe Chill again' stories, so Jason might be the only batkid who has that specific thing in common with him)

Batman #415

This one was even by Starlin!

(It's kind of interesting to consider the early scarecrow one was from when he was 12 (Bruce's imagined gravestone for him in this story actually confirms his exact age in it! yes there's an imagined gravestone) whereas I'd put him at 15 here, which (completely accidentally) gives the impression his thinking grew to be a little more like Bruce's over the years, since his "but they're dangerous/we can't let them do this" echoes Bruce's response to him back then.)

But yeah there's such a significant pattern of him being a sympathetic and compassionate kid who DOES try to understand when you actually read the comics, it's almost laughable.

[margotelizabee]

Can I just ask wtf if going on with my feed? Like why am I suddenly getting Tim fans that are shit talking Jason on my feed???

Like in the man who has everything Superman, Wonder Women and Batman(his dad) where just defeated. Like that’s a child. He’s allowed to freak. Also he notably saves the fucking day in this story.

And the other one… I genuinely can’t express how much it pissed me off. Take Jason’s name out of your goddamn mouth!

Have Tim! Like him! Whatever but leave Jason out of it

[nivora128]

I... okay, so I just started reading Countdown. I read two issues in the standard order before realizing the series is meant to be read backwards. I find it pretty interesting, but after switching to the correct reading order, I’ve already got a lot of questions after just a little bit of reading.

Basically, Duela Dent gets killed. After the Titans attend the funeral, they start investigating and discover that Red Hood is involved.

And then, after that:

Alright, here’s the wiki summary. The power of words is truly something, just reading these lines makes me feel like I’m about to explode.

Let me break it down for you all:

“Jason knew very little about the murder, only that she was killed by an alien,”

Excuse me? I’d argue Jason knew more about the murder than anyone else standing there, considering he was basically right there when it happened. You’d think a description of the guy’s appearance would be valuable. The type of gun he used? His outfit? What about what he told Jason regarding Duela being an anomaly that could harm the multiverse? Or the fact that he intended to kill Jason right after for that very same reason? And then there’s the part where an identical-looking guy showed up and stopped him? I feel like that information could have been incredibly useful.

Meanwhile, the Titans just decided went to the scene of Duela’s murder and found absolutely nothing. I mean, Jason was right there. I don’t know, doesn't it seem like if they had just asked him nicely and thoroughly, they could have gotten a ton of information?

Also:

I actually think Jason has a point. I mean, all they did was go up to Jason and said they knew that he had his "dirty fingers" in this, and "Were you lying? Did you kill Duela Dent?"

I think the comic tried to portray Jason as uncooperative, given how he fought back and made sarcastic remarks, but even while being accused, he told the truth, and the information came out surprisingly easily. He stated he didn't kill her, that he tried to save her and that her killer was an "alien," and a powerful, smart one. I honestly think if they had just asked politely, they would have learned a lot more.

Secondly…

"Donna has to restrain Nightwing from attacking the brash Jason Todd," "Robin however, feels no such reservation, and kicks Todd in the crotch."

In the comic, the moment they met Jason, they accused him of killing Duela; then Dick and Tim grabbed him, pinning him from both sides. Even in a situation like that, he still managed to punch Tim and kick Dick in the crotch? He only stopped because Ravager intervened. Yet the scene is portrayed as if, had Donna not held Dick back, he would have beaten Jason up?

"Brash Jason”? He voluntarily shared information with them and stopped the moment Ravager stepped in, whereas Dick was the one still struggling while Donna restrained him, ready to pick a fight. And what about Tim? He "feels no such reservations and kicks Jason?" That's when they've already stop the fight and Jason was standing there harmless. He basically proved Jason's point of them just want to pick a fight with Jason rather than really doing the investigation :) He was being incredibly petty and ridiculous. Did they really just go to see Jason to accuse him and beat him up?

If you ask me, then I'll- *quickly deleting everything I was about to say and starting to type furiously* hey, did you see that? There was this guy who approached Jason and very politely asked if he could tell him what happened regarding the Joker's daughter, and Jason said, "Sure, why not?" I just want to cry. Then he told him the whole story from start to finish. Then told him whom to go to and ask. What were the Titans doing, seriously.

Jason... *sighs loudly.*

[movalise]

Fascinating how defensive Tim and Dick fans will get when people will note how Batman TAS and Dynamic Duo gave Tim and Dick Jason's backstory (guess what Timm and Dini thought that Jason's backstory was just more compelling than lpod) while erasing Jason or his heroism "oh Jason isn't the only character allowed to be a street kid !!!!!" but pre crisis Jason growing up in a circus was too much ?

[hiddenwarlock]

every time i think about jason todd i want to cry. he was just a little kid who did not want to be a criminal. he wanted so much to be good. and look at what happened to him. and it’s not even written like a tragedy, it just happened because writers just didn’t and still don’t care about him. that’s so fucking unfair. jason todd deserves so much more both diegetically and non-diegetically. 

[crimebosscommunism]

waking up in his own coffin, scrabbling frantically past the lid, clawing up out of six feet worth of waterlogged earth without dying a second time from hypoxia, and immediately getting hit by a car. one bedbound coma later and bam: second stint of homelessness, this time following a year of immobility and atrophy. lazarus pit must’ve been so peeved when he got dunked cuz what the fresh fuck happened

[twistpixel]

pre crisis jason being from the circus is not stealing dicks backstory but it is COPYING. the todds only even know dick because dick was in the circus and they affirm that the graysons were the best and they respected them a lot. nothing about dicks character or story was altered in any way to make room for jason

the dynamic duo movie is STEALING jasons robin origin story to apply it to dick. jasons specific story of refusing to be party to organized crime is being taken from him and changed so that dick can have it. not the same!!!