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finally some good iliad discourse
there’s got to be at least one trans woman named eve out there whose deadname is adam. and she’s the funniest person to ever grace this earth with her presence.
She’s right
Apollon
Inspired by Nicolas-Sébastien Adam’s work "L'Histoire d'Apollon"
WHERE is that poem about that person learning all about their partners hyperfixation before getting dumped the last line is like "love is a stack of books on my nightstand with a bookmark near the end" I need it to feel whole help me please
NYT Tiny Love Stories, 2/11/2020
A Bookmark Near the End
He loves history. He wanted to write a biography of John Quincy Adams. I, shamefully, knew almost nothing about John Quincy Adams, so I went online and bought every biography of him I could find. One day, he called me, claiming that we wouldn’t work out long term. He said he loved me but that we had different interests. “What does love mean to you?” I said. “That’s an impossible question,” he replied. I, however, find love to be quite simple. Love is the stack of biographies on my nightstand with a bookmark near the end. — Julia Nicole Camp
im crying so hard
long days end in restless nights...
Olympos, Pieria, Greece by Maria Valsamidou
I only just realised I’ve never seen an image of the Olympos… That’s where the gods are hanging… And I’ve never seen it, only a mental image in my mind. Now I understand why the Greeks chose that mountain as the home of their gods.
I am happy you like the pic! Tbh, Olympos is no different from the thousands of mountains we have in the country - just a little taller! People live on its foot or on it (they certainly live around it). If you look on the left, there is a village called Vrodou! (“She-Thunder”!) People often go hiking and climbing on Olympos. There are cute doggos up there 😊
@nocturnal-diary you may also want to see the “Throne of Zeus” (or “Mitikas” = “he-point”, I guess) on the mountain. It’s the mountain’s higher point.
I think “Throne of Zeus”, aka the pictured peak and the generally most photographed one, is Stefani which is the third highest peak. Mytikas, the true summit of the mountain, is hidden behind Stefani in all these pictures and is also known as “Pantheon”. Mytikas is actually a bit easier to climb than Stefani which is one of the hardest peaks to climb in Greece.
Really?? 😱 *Mind blown*
ooooh!! amazing!!
Am I the only one that always imagined Olympos as looking like a cross between Everest and Fuji? Like, some impossible to surmount, cloud covered mountain that no one’s ever seen the top of? Because I would never have guessed that was Olympos.
Maybe it’s just because of Disney’s Hercules fucking up my perception idk
I mean, if it was like Everest you would have seen it multiple times included in lists with the highest peaks or toughest peaks in the world. You haven’t, right?
Distance and giving something cultural the dimension of mythical / fairytale / fantastical certainly makes people imagine things more than they are. Greeks chose this mountain as the home of their gods simply because it was the tallest in their own territory, not overall.
Having said that, the mountain is bigger than it looks in these photos. It is also very massive, it has more than 55 peaks. It has a bigger prominence than many taller mountains do, including several mountains in the Alps for instance. And all these peak photos are taken in the middle of summer, in other seasons people are actively discouraged to climb up to the peaks - unless it’s a very experienced climber who takes up all responsibility - winter is out of the question. We unfortunately have around 1-2 deaths annually. For its height, mountaineering in Olympus is challenging. Not the most, but like in the top 5 probably in Greece. Sadly Greece does not have mountains over 3000 meters (Olympus almost makes it there) but it has the largest number of ultra peaks (2000+ m) in Europe along with Italy and scores extremely high in terms of prominence.
Apollo and Hector are ghosts to each other
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Please fullview! There's a detail shot below the cut, as well~
Yanno what drives me crazy about cave paintings of horses? Those artists had no idea that one day, those animals would be our friends. That one day, their ancestors would domesticate them. That together, they would discover the world, fight monumental wars, create some of the most captivating sports, and forge some of the strongest interspecies bonds. Our destinies have been linked from so early on <3
this art of horses, from the Chauvet Caves in france, is believed to be between 30,000 and 32,000 years old. Thats over 25,000 years before domestication of horses!
self-admitted purple prose lover and fan of madeline miller coming out with a Feminist Odyssey Retelling about the hanged slave women. i haven’t been this conflicted in months
haha. oh god. oh no
oh for the love of god
I will never forgive Madeline Miller for not including Troilus in tsoa. Just saw a take where someone said the reason Apollo hated Achilles so much was because he was in love with him/Patroclus and that their relationship reminded him of Hyacinthus, and he was jealous.
In other news, I hate.
heres an art from recent 💪😏
Hello um this is a bit of an open-ended question but could you tell us what you find compelling in Agamemnon as a character? My background in this section of the Greek mythic storyworld is almost entirely Odyssey-related and all we really hear of him there is about Iphigenia & his "if she breathes she's a thot" rant in the land of the dead lmao, so I'd be interested in your take <3 (Also I just read the Menelaiad for the 1st time (in one sitting!) so u can imagine my state of mind right now lol)
ah yes. the first 'post-menelaiad-read-depression' we've all been there, friend. and it doesn't get better.
i just .... love agamemnon? and i just feel the need to stress that loving him isn't the same as excusing him BUT ALSO i feel there's so much to him that never gets said, almost like people actively ignore it because it doesn't fit the whole 'aga is a total clown' narrative. people will move heaven and earth to justify the likes of achilles and diomedes (dont start me on diomedes) but aga doesn't seem to get the luxury.
for starters. aga is such a family man. whether that be his own family (his wife and babies whom HE LOVES, i'll get to that in a sec) or y'know - menelaus. now i get that menelaus isn't sUPER popular or w/e, but the consensus seems to be that he's half-decent, kinda mellow, nice dude ---- where do you think he got that from? cause it wasn't atreus i'll tell ya that much. aga and menelaus are different in their personalities and i fully believe it's because atreus had his claws a lot deeper in aga than he ever did in menelaus. i think a lot of what menelaus knows and does was taught to him by agamemnon. so how can aga be totally heartless? ALSO. the whole scene were menelaus gets shot in the iliad - aga is CRUSHED. he's not a heartless monster. a lot seem to think he's like 'if menelaus dies we go home and i cant have troy blah blah blah' NO. he's fearing the loss of his BABY BROTHER.
he does the same with iphigenia - he's CONSTANTLY blaming and berating calchas for the sacrifice of his daughter. and i can hear everyone now 'uhh why didnt you just Not sacrifice her?' you really think it worked like that in ancient greece? hm? you really think that menelaus being dishonoured by paris and artemis demanding a sacrifice could just go ignored? no. the whole point is aga HAS to make that sacrifice. and it can't be one he makes fucking easily.
he's even told (in some traditions) to sacrifice the most important thing he gained in the year he shot artemis' deer ---- his daughter. his first born. his first BABY. was the best thing that happened to him that year. he loves his family so much. you can see it in how electra and orestes remember him and stand by him. the dad they had before he went to troy was GOOD and LOVED THEM. also he and cly were in love because of the whole 'tragedy cathartic' thing but that's a whole new kettle of fish.
i completely agree that some things he did in the iliad were bad and kinda like 'dude... y'gotta not' agamemnon is not without blame. YES he's cursed, but you can't always use that as an excuse for him. BUT I THINK it's also important to remember that the iliad is set nine years into the war. a war that agamemnon has given EVERYTHING for. he knows when he goes home it's not gonna be pretty, he may even suspect his fate. so he can't just give up. he can't leave it unfinished or go home empty handed. towards the end of the war / the iliad aga is sorta slipping a lil bit. he's kinda losing it. and whilst you may not agree with it, you can understand it. tbf he actually WANTS to go home and just give up and give in he's so TIRED but ODYSSEUS makes him stay.
like i said, i love agamemnon. he is Fascinating. from everything that happened in his childhood with atreus, thyestes and aegisthus right through to walking into the jaws of death knowing everything he'd done and having experienced everything he had.
just ........ give him a chance. please.
also if i can just get salty for a sec - odysseus and aga are VERY similar in regards to like ..... their war crimes ig and odysseus is lot more liked and kinda .,.. accepted?? like he gets meme-d and stuff and like people acknowledge his faults, but with aga there is none of that. it's like 'bad man. we don't talk about him' i mean if you're gonna do that, at least be consistent please. like this is what it feels like to talk to odysseus fans sometimes:
Pomegranate gardens/ Iran
Photography: amir sadeghian
Paris chooses Hera;
he's crowned in the blood of hundreds of thousands (you can't have a kingdom such as she's promising without conquest, even if it might start by marriage). he sits on a throne made of the bodies of his own family (he's not his father's heir), most specifically the bodies of Priam and Hektor.
kingdom-building might invite retaliation from the countries being laid under the new kingdom, and Troy falls (with or without Paris dying as well).
Paris chooses Athena;
he wears armour drenched in the blood of hundreds of thousands, lives and cities torn apart in the search for renown and glory, and war comes to Troy. Paris falls after killing thousands more, a glorious death as a capstone to what his gift entailed, and in his wake Troy falls.
Paris chooses Aphrodite;
his bed drips blood through the floors of Troy's palace, and Troy falls.
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Where is the mistake, where is the fault, other than Paris being born, when he couldn't have refused to gift the apple at all? (Murdering an infant or someone who's done nothing "wrong" isn't a solution.)