"Misha can get Jensen to do anything"

Mostly an archive blog @ this point. I'm in my 40s, and have been watching SPN since Season 1, September 13, 2005. Dean is Bi.

[clucku]

Okay not a photo op but HOLY SHIT U GUISE IS THIS A STORY.

So, @consulting-cannibal​ drew this for me a little over a year ago at the last @destielcon​, and I’ve been teasing her since then that I was gonna ask the actors to sign their censor bars. 

So Misha’s auto was first, and went like this:

Me: *hands photo to handler* 

Handler: *stares for like ten seconds while giggling* *slides art over to Misha while watching for his reaction*

Me: Hi Misha um you totally do not have to sign that I have something else for you if you don’t want–

Misha: *grinning* Oh, I’ll sign it. *studies art for several seconds*

Me: *hands Misha a fine-point silver marker* I was hoping you could sign your censor bar.

Misha: *signs bar* *shakes head, chuckles* *starts writing at the bottom*

Now at this point I can’t see what he’s writing because it’s silver ink on white paper in not-great lighting and my contrast vision is shit. So when he’s done he slides it back to me and I read it and laugh and ask “Is this a message for Jensen?” And Misha smiles and says “Yep!”

So the next day (like three hours ago and holy shit I’m still dying) I have Jensen’s auto, which goes like this:

Me: *hands art to handler* I brought an alternate for him to sign he totally doesn’t have to–

Handler: *huge smile* He will definitely sign it. I’ve been waiting for you guys to show up.

Me: Oh wait were you at Misha’s table yesterday?

Handler: Yep!

Me: *gestures to Jensen* Does he know?

Handler: Nope, I wouldn’t dare spoil the surprise. *hands the artwork back to my mother while we wait our turn* 

When it’s our turn, the handler leans down on the table to watch Jensen’s face. And then:

Mom (to Jensen): *not yet showing him the artwork, pointing to me* She’s waiting to see your reaction to this.

Jensen: I have to warn you, I’m not a very reactive person.

Mom: *slides him the artwork*

Jensen: *stares at the artwork for like thirty solid seconds while making his Grumpy!Ackles-trying-not-to-laugh-because-he’s-pretending-to-disapprove face.* *studies the artwork some more*

Me: *starting to get nervous that we’re seriously holding up the line* Misha left a note for you at the bottom there.

Jensen: *head still down, trying not to laugh*

Mom: *hands him the fine-tipped pen* Would you sign your censor bar?

Now this whole time I’m elbows down on the table watching his face because he still hasn’t picked his head up, and he’s just all pursed lips/suppressed smiles/eye crinkles and I’M DYING. So he signs the censor bar very, very carefully, and starts to pass the art back to me, and then changes his mind and pulls it back and writes #snag on it and promptly LOSES HIS SHIT. At which point I also lose my shit (and so do all the volunteers around the table, as it’s now been like a full minute and nobody’s even pretended to try to move us along because everyone’s so fucking amused by this), because he was trying so hard not to break and he just couldn’t hold it in and it was fucking GLORIOUS.

So he finally hands it back to me and he’s still chuckling and grinning huge at me and we thank him and he thanks us and off I go to look up whatever the fuck #snag means because apparently I am old and have no fucking idea. Urban dictionary tells me it’s either Australian slang for “sausage” or Native American slang for hooking up, and really either one works, but now I wish I’d asked him what he’d meant. Imma guess “sausage” :-p

And Scout is my roommate at this con so I showed it to her and told her what happened and her reaction was glorious too.

Anyway that is the story of how I and also how Scout both died at SPN NOLA. 

[spn-icanteven]

Since a certain blog has me blocked and is SPEWING LIES (link here)

I decided to reblog the original post, with what happened.

The whole reason we knew what this was about  is PEOPLE SPAMMED CreationEnt WITH COMPLAINTS, the SAME people who HAVE NO PROBLEM with hateful photo ops, or incest-related shipping material.

Go figure.

[spn-icanteven]

MTTG Rebuttal Part 2

(regarding THIS)

Submitted by @ErvaJMin on Twitter (link to thread)

If you guys want to run this counterpoint, go for it.  With or without credit, I don't care.  The shriekers will of course ignite if they see my name.

You know I usually don't touch gender politics, but there's some irony in what the current fandom wank is carrying in #Supernatural . 

 Part 1: Ten year washout cishet white male producer tells fans to stop bullying Jared for rape joke, ignore Weinstein.   Surprise.

Part 2: Bibros fail to understand impact of their own agenda and carry bad PR flag while complaining about bad PR.  Ten year washout cishet white male producer's failing site doubles traffic while distributing Jared's bad PR.

Part 3: Sam trends lower, StandWithJ2 rises (will not tag to encourage this bad PR wank), people think they support Jared, Jared's trends nosedive worse while floating the wank of the fan-kraken screeching while numbers drop.

Part 4: Cishet white male Hollywood washout saying Weinstein-esque behavior is okay in article, says to submit complaints to editor, himself, who answers to the site owner, himself.  Claims any media accountability is bullying.  Agenda driven fandom drives his wank.

People that would normally shriek against this man are literally being tooled for a destructive narrative - not just to Jared, but their own beliefs and causes - while continuing to carry a bad PR flag.  Good game, guys.  You got us good?

It's no wonder this community is full of sock accounts. The sheer amount of insane warwank can be triggered be as much as a perceived icon.  I happened to have a Castiel stuffie because of my spouse, of which I was happy and photographed, despite being our group's Sam girl.

Ergo, a Castiel icon is mindlessly an enemy regardless of their content, suggestion or discussion. Reasonable conversation becomes impossible. Positive trends are refused and negative trends continue to reign, unable to be reasoned with. Talk about severe wank. Of course, due to the constructed war being catered to, they will accuse the Sam-girling, despite my public support of him consistently, or the 40-man game confirmed for the last two years, of being some sort of lie or fabrication.  Has objective thinking become untrendy? 

And furthermore I missed the law from the overlords that I must see Sam/Jared as a siamese attachment of Dean/Jensen to be a fan, and/or ship them together to be a Sam fan.  Why do they think I constantly encourage his independent trending? I'm sorry, great slash ship masters, for not battling for invisible content and/or being willing to respect, identify, or objectively observe existing content outside of my favorite's causal prism.

Sam fans - actual Sam fans - are interested in #SamWinchester - not some Wincest wank, bibro pterodactyl screams, not some relegation to being Dean's left kidney. 

Jared fans - actual Jared fans - want the best position for his future career, whenever he chooses to break from his declared likely hiatus which the J2hijack bag can't even connect it to the fact he's probably sick of the wank that follows him as said fankraken. This has been an amazing social experiment as well. 

Don't get me wrong.  I do in fact support Destiel as well, but don't run it as tagging trends. In fact, a simple check of my hashing will show you Sam is my most tagged or discussed character, and most other discussions are in relation to #TFW - which Sam fans will also acknowledge, as Sam himself acknowledges it in the show.  And that's where we end this.

The show.  If you don't like the show, you are free to leave or keep your hatred to yourselves. If you can't be in an area without shitting on everything people enjoy there, you should probably find something you enjoy.  And as Pellegrino himself said, if you pull unsolicited negativity on someone else's TL, what does that say about you? 

Critique, review, statistics, and observation are not hatred.  They are observation, and even fans are allowed observation.  If you can not identify the difference between objective review and "hatred," you are free to stay in small domes where only what you want reaches you, but then stay in those bubbles. Once you leave, shrieking and insulting, calling people bitches, cunts, or losers - that's on you.  

This is the true way to "end bullying," not floating a sinking Hollywood producer feeding on your arbitrary fanwars at Jared (And Jensen's) expense while twisting you into making his tanked website relevant again beyond his Russian referral websites. In any other condition, you would be fighting against him. You have played into a very cruel hand. This extends well beneath the realm of the Supernatural bubble and does indeed make a PR bomb that you are unwittingly carrying in the name of a wank slash ship war that doesn't even exist.  

STOP.

And before any wankmeister rolls in here with "You follow/are followed by mostly Dean or Cas lovers!" No shit, because the better part of Jared's fanbase has become overly aggressive and impossible to discuss with for the thousand issues I have discussed on this wall. 

Again, there is no war, and people with objective brains can hold constructive conversation about issues or opinions despite having different "favorites," and not all discussion must entirely vortex on one specific obsession. You're a fan of Supernatural, or you aren't. You're a fan of #TeamFreeWill or you're not, you're a fan of #J2M or you're not, but this is the current state of the show, and has been for years.  You will not shriek or abuse the production team out of removing him from main credits. 

You can encourage better stories for Sam. This wankwar has gone so far as to battle against him getting important storylines or trying to weaponize that to attack other people who know better than it being a threat.  One of my first posts on twitter was: this is not a warzone, this is a fandom.  

If you do not enjoy current SPN, stop engaging current SPN, enjoy your S 1-5ish DVDs.  

If you want to enjoy SPN, adapt to it.  TPTB do indeed have an agenda: Their show. Enjoy it or leave it.

(the thread continues from here with comments/replies from/to other users)

[spn-icanteven]

MTTG Rebuttal Part 1

(regarding THIS)

Submitted by Anon:

You asked for a well thought out counter argument? I tried... although it's hard to argue against a text that has no real content in the first place... I made a real effort to keep it civilized so it can't reasonably be dismissed as hatred or bullying. Feel free to use it if you want, and I would like to be anonymous. I can do without the guaranteed harassment.

It seems strange to attempt to link Trump with Supernatural fandom. What is your main target here, Trump or fandom bullies? If it’s Trump you’re after, and you want to shed a light on how his behavior on Twitter empowers others to engage in cyberbullying, it would probably be more effective to choose examples that were a) more demonstrably connected with Trump, and b) more transparent and understandable for the general public outside the pretty convoluted and obscure SPN fandom. How Congresswoman Frederica Wilson was treated on Twitter just recently, just as one example of many, seems much more useful to write about if your purpose is to explore the connection between Trump and the increase of cyberbullying.    

But you chose to go with a conflict in the SPN fandom. A conflict that few people understand and even fewer, if any, have all the information about. A conflict that has admittedly been upsetting, but to only a small group of people who are deeply involved in the Supernatural fandom. Maybe a couple of thousand, at the most? It seems unlikely that anyone outside the fandom, or even just more casually involved in it, would have any way of understanding this convoluted conflict. That makes it completely ineffective as a commentary on Trump. Or cyberbullying. So I guess that the conflict itself is what you really wanted to write about.    

So: this piece is not about Trump. The first few paragraphs about Trump are there to make your piece look more serious and ambitious, more like real journalism. It’s a bit of window dressing for a piece of fandom gossip.    

Let me quote a paragraph of your text and then discuss it:    

”It came as no surprise that while many felt a sense of relief that ‘someone had finally said it,’ a small minority tried spreading their vitriol to disavow it. Even going so far as slandering us, and I would like to personally thank Entertainment Weekly for being so supportive with one person’s false claims.”    

This is a paragraph that looks like it contains information but doesn’t. There is no factual content there at all. It sounds like it contains some hints and references, but even that is giving it too much credit. I’ve seen the whole conflict play out from the beginning, blow by blow, and I’m privy to more information about it than most, and even I don’t know what your hints are supposed to refer to.    

”Many felt a sense of relief” – who are ”many”? Can I assume you mean the people behind Mark Pellegrino and the OnlyLove hashtag, since that’s the side you are positioning yourself on (insofar as it’s possible to make out anything about your position through the haze of nothingness)?    

”Someone had finally said it”? Said what? The tumblr post was as devoid of actual content or information as your own text. What it did contain was a lot of unpleasantness and insults, and that was nothing that hadn’t been said before.    ”A small minority” – who? Can I assume you mean the people who are supportive of the SPN fan, let’s call her L, who was attacked by Mark Pellegrino and William Shatner in one of the beginnings of the whole conflict?    

”Tried spreading their vitriol” – give some examples please. This is really just you making several unsubstantiated claims. It’s so vague I’m genuinely not sure what you’re talking about. ”Many”, ”somoeone”, ”a small minority”, ”one person”. As for the reference to Entertainment Weekly, please link or clarify what you’re talking about. And in the next paragraph you talk about ”the real bullies”. Who do you mean? What is the ”shiny object”? And please provide concrete examples of your ”rational answer”, ”logic and rational thought”. Because there isn’t any of that so far in this text of yours.    

The following paragraph about Trump and the state of the country insidiously implies that the people you’re attacking are somehow just as bad as the church shooter. It makes my heart sink to see it and I wish you had treated this with perspective. Not to mention respect. The tenuous motivation for including that paragraph at all is that Trump’s America is horrible, people need escapism, and ”this small minority” is trying to spoil it. If this is how you defend SPN, you’re not helping at all. The time seemed right to discuss it? Well yes, if you wanted to get clicks on your site. Not at all, if you wanted to do something positive for SPN or the fandom. Your incendiary piece was sure to worsen the conflict.    

It’s quite impressive to see so much vagueness crammed into so short a text – ”this group”, ”the person on Twitter”. If you’re referring to L, which I’m not 100% sure of in this vagueness Olympics so please correct me if I’m wrong, it’s quite upsetting to see you accuse her of not doing enough activism or volunteering for causes. Please do your research about all the work she put in during the hurricanes which helped save a lot of lives. Among all the other charity and volunteer work she does and supports, which takes up a big chunk of her life. She HAS brought a lot of positive change into the world. She has certainly earned the right to spend a day trying to hold you accountable and defend herself against you, if she wants.    

Ironically you claim that ”by showing our readers what Trump and the government were doing it would be more proactive and way more fulfilling”. Yes, probably. It would be better for everybody if you DID that, instead of whatever this article is. Because, as I established, this article is not about Trump.    

I am very sorry about your friend who was lost to suicide. Having been through that yourself, you might perhaps have the empathy to ease up on L, who has expressed suicidal thoughts several times the last couple of weeks.    

It doesn’t really matter if it’s a ”small minority” or a big majority that objects to your previous article. What matters is the substance of their reservations. Some of those are more than just ”hatred, lies, and innuendo”. Have the intellectual honesty to do the work, look at the objections, quote them and put forth civil arguments. What you’re doing here is just namecalling.      

Lastly: ”we respect it as we do all opinions”. Do you see the irony of this claim? You do not respect all opinions.

[spn-icanteven]

Temporary Un-Retirement

I’ve been asked to host some rebuttals against a series of articles posted by a wank-baity, disreputable “entertainment news site.”

The owner, “editor-in-chief,” and co-author of most of these articles, Curt Johnson, is a shit-stain. I’ll say it, come at me, bro. (anyone who wants his contact information can find it via a whois search of the “movie TV tech geeks” website (conveniently located here)

If you’d like to know more, please feel free to visit this twitter account: @bronlythings. Plenty of receipts to be had. (Nobody should be surprised I know these people.)

Anyway, in conjunction with BronlyThings, I’ve collected a list of the articles in question that have crit-shamed fandom, and given a loudspeaker to the bro-onlies, the true bullies of the fandom. (Don’t worry, these are Wayback Machine links, you won’t give their site a single click)

November 3, by Carol Hansson: ‘Supernatural’ fans going from ‘snowflakes’ to ‘Be the Clarence’ - Rather than be the snowflake that melts down over every offense, take Rachel Miner's advice to 'Be the Clarence' instead.

November 6, by Curt Johnson: ‘Supernatural’ fandom gets a mirror held up to the cyberbullying

November 8, by Curt Johnson: ‘Supernatural’ fandom cyberbullying microcosm aka Donald Trump effect - A follow up on our "Supernatural" fandom cyberbullying article to answer questions posed along with why we felt this topic was so important. (how ironic that he equates the situation to Trump, when the next article is about Mark Pellegrino. Not to mention, how Bronlies have been equated to Trump and his supporters since last year’s election cycle.)

November 8, by Carol Hansson: ‘Supernatural’s’ Mark Pellegrino has his say on defending yourself and Twitter backlash - "Supernatural" actor Mark Pellegrino talks about his experience with a Twitter backlash after trying to defend someone being cyberbullied.

Meanwhile, this is the same site which provoked ire by posting a Wincest photomanip at the end of an article last year, <HERE> (thankfully, the wayback machine finds the image as offensive as I do, so there’s a screencap under the cut.)

Where are the articles slamming the behavior of Bronlies, who for years, have harassed Danneel and Genevieve? How about an article discussing the constant braying and harassment of cast and crew whenever Misha or Castiel are mentioned in a positive manner? Or even attacking journalists, for DARINg post something Misha/Cas positive? Where are the times fans have physically threatened Misha, requiring increased security presence at conventions? Or the time they petitioned to get him fired? Or the threats at BOTH Jensen and Misha for the YANA campaign?

I could go on, but you get the point. 

If anyone wishes to post a rebuttal to any of the above linked articles, let me or BronlyThings know. 

I’ll post it. Anonymous or not. Your call.

(this is under the cut)

[clarkegriffins]

[mjluevano]

[eternalroommates]

[x]

[comtessedebussy]

I love how dean rolls his eyes, all “sigh, the boyfriend is being a jerk to the suspect again, but isn’t he so cute?”

[flannel-cake-deactivated2015030]

destiel seems like just another fan-created homoship and then you watch supernatural and you realize dean and cas are actually real damn gay 

and you like it

[carryonwaywardstar]

#accurate #before i joined the fandom i definitely thought it was just bc the fans had their shipping goggles on #but then i watched it #and jesus christ its not even subtle how gay they are #destiel

[judasvibe-deactivated20210603]

‘Cas has never saved the Winchesters’ and Bobby’s asses!’  

my friend my pal it is time for you to sit down. Castiel:

raised Dean from Hell

told Dean about the archangels, allowing him to force Lilith to flee instead of buying Sam’s soul (or worse)

got Dean out of the green room

found Sam and Dean, killed Zachariah’s henchmen and then threatened Zach until he left

took Dean away from Zachariah following his trip to 2014

took Sam and Dean away from Lucifer when he raised Death

cut off Pestilence’s ring before he could kill Sam and Dean 

shot a Croat point-blank before it could kill Sam

resurrected Bobby and healed Dean’s arguably life-threatening injuries

resurrected Sam

saved Sam and Dean from Crowley in Caged Heat (deal or not Crowley would have had them dead as we know from 6.20)

saved Sam and Dean when they nearly incinerated themselves in 6.17

saved Sam and Dean when Atropos dropped an industrial fridge on them

brought Sam and Dean back from 1861 Wyoming

killed every single monster in the diner where they’d confronted Eve

destroyed the demons Crowley sent to kill the brothers

killed that demon who escaped Dean’s devil’s trap in 6.21

took Sam’s hallucinations 

i mean i could go on but i think this is a pretty substantial list as it is

[keikomivra]

Impressive…Jensen knows exactly what Cas would enjoy on his birthday (>ω^)

Happy Birthday, Castiel ⇢ September 18, 2008  ♡

[x]

[sunlitcas]

[spn-icanteven]

and now I will fill a few days’ worth of queue with lovely destiel to wash that vile taste out of my mouth

[htae-bolg-4shame]

A woman just died, and her friends wish to commemorate her death with a re-creation of a HATEFUL PHOTO OP.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Keep reading

[htae-bolg-4shame]

Remember this?

Well guess what happened at the Dallas convention this weekend?

Keep reading

[htae-bolg-4shame]

Also, this is NOT a healthy reaction to the ops, either.

THIS IS NOT OK

Keep reading

[htae-bolg-4shame]

The saga continues.

One of the people in the photo ops posted screencaps of a very long explanation.

You know what? If Misha was fine with those ops, and nobody is allowed to complain, then nobody is allowed to complain about Jared’s airline ops, either.

More under the cut because photos/screencaps.

Keep reading

[spn-icanteven]

I got this link in a message and it prompted me to log the FUCK on and say something about this.

WHAT THE FUCK

FUCK YOU AND FUCK ALL THE APOLOGIST BITCHES that think this is in ANY WAY ACCEPTABLE

Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick.

We have receipts of almost every single one of these bitches being hateful skunkbags.

I don’t give a FUCK what the op was supposed to be, you are a DISRESPECTFUL SACK OF SHIT for even CONSIDERING THIS FUCKING OP 

OMFG I AM SO FUCKING MAD

I don’t give a FUCK that this was that poor girl’s first time @ a con or her first op, you DO NOT DO THIS SHIT

YOU, people who arranged this op, RUINED THIS GIRL’S CON. NOT THE PEOPLE REACTING TO YOUR PILE OF GARBAGE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY OP

I’m GLAD someone got a picture of it, because YOU DESERVE TO BE EXPOSED AS THE SACKS OF SHIT YOU ARE

[tchaikovskyyy-deactivated201408]

21st Century AU fic where the founding fathers write the Declaration of Independence using Google Docs

[live-love-laurens]

“You guys! Stop deleting everything I write!”

[brandybottle-fox]

“Unalienable!” “Inalienable!”

[acquaintedwithrask]

I’M LAUGHING LIKE A MANIAC

[zadca]

“SO HELP ME I WILL LOCK THIS DOCUMENT IF YOU DON"T STOP CHANGING THE FONT SIZE JOHN HANCOCK!!!”

[aalbons]

“STOP HIGHLIGHTING EVERYTHING!” “WHO DELETED THE ENTIRE FUCKING DOCUMENT!”

[backwards-into-hell]

“FOR THE LAST TIME, WE ARE NOT DECLARING OUR INDEPENDENCE IN COMIC SANS”

[gish]

Will you draw destiel?

[hastobealock-deactivated2018022]

FOR THE MILLIONTH FUCKING TIME, WHY IS NANCY NOT MEANT TO FOLLOW THESE SAME RULES WITH ALL OF HER SIDE BLOGS?

HOW ELSE DOES SHE GET GHE SCREENCAPS FOR THEM, HMMM?

lol, and Nancy doesn’t like drama?

AHAHAHAHA.

I guess it’s not drama when she goes on Twitter to send direct hate to Misha fans & to Misha himself, then?

No, FUCK YOU.

STOP TRYING TO BLAME ME FOR SHIT THAT THE ONE YOU’RE DEFENDING DOES THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

[destihellersunited]

Nancy: *screencaps my post with the anti-bibros tag*

Nancy: aah yes. finally i will defeat the deestihellers

Nancy: you’re harassing me you’re a hypocrite get off my blog tag your shit fuck off you whiny child special snowflake who raised you

Nancy: perfect. now let’s get dozens of my followers to reblog this and once again spread my hypocritical views

[destihellersunited]

hey, real quick i want to talk about hijacking posts. regarding the recent issue between broken wings and miss chat hijacking a post, i have a few words to say.

of course, this is an issue and shouldn’t have been done, but they’ve already gotten reprimands from the rest of the destiel shippers, so i really don’t feel the need to add anything further. what’s done is done, and i believe they’ve both apologized to erik, which i applaud.

what i want to point out, though, is the hypocrisy of certain parts of the fandom towards addressing these shippers. when a wincest shipper hijacks a destiel post, we see little to nothing in terms of a backlash from their own side of the fandom, while it seems to be ONLY destiel shippers who speak up, and rarely do people of their own side say “hey, this is wrong”.

however, when a destiel shipper hijacks a wincest shipper post, almost immediately both destiel shippers and wincest shippers called them out, and some shippers called them out more rudely than others.

why isn’t this the case when wincest shippers hijack a post? how come it’s almost always the destiel shippers getting attacked, to the point where multiple members involved are stressed out to the point of having to actually remove themselves from the situation?

i understand that this may be the case sometimes with wincest shippers, but it seems to happen far less frequently.

if we’re going to address the issue of hijacking posts, we need to involve BOTH destiel and wincest shippers, and we need to set equal consequences for those who hijack posts.

some of the things that have been thrown around have been unnecessarily hateful, but I can honestly understand, because it’s an issue that’s been going on for a long time.

i don’t really know what else to say. basically, i just feel that how we treat people hijacking posts is quite different depending on which part of the fandom you’re in. hopefully that made sense…

if anyone would like to correct me or add something, feel free. i’d like to know how you feel.