I don’t think it can possibly be overestimated how fucking important Celeborn would have been in second age politics, specifically to Gil-galad. I don’t think I see this pointed out enough, and I don’t think it’s possible for it to be pointed out enough.
The fall of Doriath left three (or two, depending on how old you think Thranduil is, either way he was probably a small child if he had been born yet) Sindarin princes alive. Assuming Elmo, Galadhon, and Galathil died in the dwarven invasion or second kinslaying (which they probably did, we never hear anything about them afterward), that takes total princes of the Sindar from nine (or eight) to three (or two).
During the second age, Oropher and Thranduil bugger off and live in their little isolationist forest kingdom. That leaves Celeborn.
See, Celeborn married Galadriel, a lady of the Noldor (despite being only a quarter Noldor but I digress). Galadriel is one of the few remaining Noldor royals in the east (the rest are Elrond and Gil-galad). So, Celeborn, our final free agent prince of the Sindar, is kind of entangled with the Noldor. And over time, I think it becomes obvious that Celeborn is far more involved with Noldorin politics than anything else.
He’s present for the fall of Eregion (most troops in this conflict were either from Eregion or sent by Gil-galad under Elrond’s command), then the founding and first siege of Rivendell. He lives in areas controlled by the Noldor (Eregion/Rivendell specifically), and theoretically is kind of played about with by Gil-galad, who one hundred percent sees the advantage in what he brings to the table.
And nowhere, I think, is Celeborn’s ancestry more important than during the siege of Barad-dûr. Make up your own mind about whether or not Celeborn was there, but Gil-galad would have been a fucking idiot not to bring him.
Let’s get into it. There are three elven kings commanding troops in the Last Alliance- Oropher, Amdír, Gil-galad. Oropher is characteristically ornery and gets himself and a fuck-ton of other people killed at the Battle of Dagorlad (this is the origin of the Dead Marshes) because he doesn’t listen to Gil-galad (for anti-Noldor reasons). Amdír dies during the siege, theoretically pretty early on.
This leaves Gil-galad with a fuck ton of Sindar and Sylvan soldiers who I cannot see being particularly inclined to listen to him. So what’s the best move? Thranduil and Amroth (who are both stupid AF, ngl- Thranduil is hot-headed and loyal to Oropher and one hundred percent not listening to Gil-galad, and everything to do with Amroth’s life and times is just stupid, I’m sorry, I just can’t get over how dumb it is), are now in charge of their peoples, but how effective are they going to be? Neither of them are super loyal to Gil-galad, and both are grief stricken and likely rather volatile for that reason.
What’s the move? Celeborn. Celeborn is the ace up Gil-galad’s sleeve here. He puts Celeborn in charge of liaisoning with Thranduil and Amroth’s armies. Because they will listen to Celeborn, the last prince of the Sindar. And Celeborn is loyal to Gil-galad as much as he’s loyal to either of them. Because of Eregion, because of Rivendell, because of Elrond and Galadriel.
Gil-galad never has a problem like Oropher going off mavericking in the Dagorlad again. Because Celeborn has his back. Just more reasons why Celeborn is the bestest most underrated character in the legendarium.
I find the version where he´s Galadriel and Celeborn´s son charming, so I headcanon him as fostered by them after Amdír´s death, as well as childhood friends with Celebrían, and then only becoming king when Galadriel sails west I am willing to cut in canon if it means my boy can be part of it
I gave him a bit of Noldo third age inspired clothes because of Galadriel but tried to keep it a bit Sinda still, as that is what he is maybe he just likes Noldo fashion more?? but with far less jewelry
I HC Noldor third age fashion as very layered and heavy, while Sinda third age fashion is much looser, and has as few fabrics as possible, not afraid to show skin, often accompanied with a dupatta
It is Mothers' Day today and I wanted to post something, so here is a shortish post collecting together my thoughts on this question :)
As with so much re: Galadriel there is a short answer and a long answer, and the short answer is “one, obviously”, and the long answer begins with “Well...”
In the published LOTR, the only child mentioned is Celebrían. Given that Tolkien only invented Galadriel while writing LOTR this is probably the original idea and it's the one Christopher went with when composing the Silmarillion. But, in Unfinished Tales where you see more of the different ideas for Galadriel's Second Age story that he wrote afterwards(? we presume), Amroth is also the child of Galadriel and Celeborn, and when Galadriel passes through Moria after Annatar and the gwaith-i-mirdain stage a coup she's 'taking with her Amroth and Celebrían'.
Christopher says of this:
The text is much emended, and it is not always possible to see what belongs to the time of composition of the manuscript and what is indefinitely later. This is the case with those references to Amroth that make him the son of Galadriel and Celeborn; but whenever these references were inserted, I think it is virtually certain that this was a new construction, later than the writing of The Lord of the Rings. Had he been supposed to be their son when it was written, the fact would surely have been mentioned.
By the late 1960s JRRT seems to have gone back to considering Amroth the son of Amdír.
But then, when Nature of Middle-earth was published it contained more notes of Tolkien trying to figure out the years of birth of Galadriel, Celeborn, Amroth and Celebrían, and the considerable tangle he was trying to unpick regarding when elves have children and when Amroth (as the first child of Galadriel and Celeborn) could fit into his narrative while leaving room for Celebrían. And this is where we find out he also considered a compromise to this where Amroth was the son of Celeborn from an earlier marriage:
As first written, before most of it was struck through, this concluding sentence (after the colon) read: "The following calculation is probable. Celeborn's wife [?stole] away and left him with a son, Amroth." In conjunction with this, it appears that the following footnote was supplied:
The Elves did not normally marry again, but after the judgement of Míriel they were permitted lawfully to do [so] if one partner deserted the other. This very seldom occurred; but in such a time of divided feelings as [the] end of [the] First Age this could occur.
But then Tolkien struck this out, leaving us with nothing more than a lot of intriguing possibilities to explore in fanfic :)
So. The answer to how many children Galadriel has is: One - No, two - No, one - No, one plus a stepchild from her husband's first marriage - No, just one.
But finally! Back to LOTR, and Treebeard's greeting to Galadriel and Celeborn:
A vanimar, vanimálion nostari!
Which Tolkien translates (in Letters) as 'O beautiful ones, parents of beautiful children!'
I was going to treat this as conclusively "she has more than one child, at least as far as Treebeard is concerned", but then Parf Edhellen translates Quenya 'nostari' not simply as 'parents' but also as 'ancestors'. So: back to "one child" or at least "not necessarily any more than one child".
But finally! The whole reason for translating 'nostari' as 'ancestors' there and not simply 'parents' is because:
the couple to which the phrase Q. a vanimar, vanimálion nostari was addressed (Galadriel and Celeborn) had only a single child, and so the phrase only makes sense if it refers to them as ancestors of all of their descendants: their daughter Celebrían and her children Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen.
Which is a fine and coherent way to reconcile "they only have one child in LOTR" with "Treebeard speaks of them as parents of children, plural, in LOTR" I suppose - but is not the only explanation. And Tolkien translated that greeting of Treebeard's as "parents of beautiful children", not "parents-and-grandparents-and-ancestors of beautiful children".
Maybe Treebeard just forgot. Or maybe they end up having other children post-LOTR and he foresaw it. Or: maybe there are more children, and always were, and Ents know better than we do...
A belated entry for @tolkienfashionweek, Day 13: Fiber & Jewelry & Material. Also in combination with Back to Middle-earth Month 2026, Day 28: Eärwen’s Requests. This got quite long, wandered a ways from the focus on fashion, and turned rather melancholy, but I hope you enjoy!
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In its earliest days, the forests of the Vales of Anduin in the shadows of the Misty Mountains were named Lindórinand, “the Vale of the Land of the Singers,” by its first inhabitants, the Nandor. These elves had partaken in the first part of the Great Journey, but turned back at the mountains, preferring to remain in the beautiful woods. Their leader was Lenwë, known later as Dân.
Over time, this group and their descendants splintered into several sub-groups; among them were the Laiquendi, who crossed into Beleriand under the leadership of Lenwë’s son Denethor, and the Silvan elves, who remained Lindórinand and mingled with the Penni, an Avarin tribe who eventually made their way westward.
Lindórinand itself also changed, especially as the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm (and later Men) took their axes to the trees of the forest. Eventually the wood was separated into Greenwood the Great to the north, and the much smaller forest of Lórinand, “the Valley of Gold,” to the south.
(Here ends the mostly-canonical description of this land; what follows is mostly headcanon.)
The forest of Lórinand was made up primarily of beech trees, with other common trees being birches, gingkos, and willows, the autumntide golden leaves of the latter two giving the wood its “golden” name. Bamboo, flax, and hemp also grew in the valley, cultivated by the Silvan elves, and the open glades between copses of trees were dotted with elanor flowers. The Silvan elves used birch bark and bamboo to create paper upon which they wrote poetry and music; they wove hemp and flax into linens to clothe themselves. Their telain (singular: talan), tree-platforms in which they made their homes, were constructed of fallen trees and of bamboo.
The two main cultures of Silvan elves diverged early on. The Northern Silvan folk were hunters and woodsmen, slaying prey, cutting trees, and breeding livestock. They did all this sustainably, but in these practices they differed substantially from their southern kin. The Southern Silvan elves, from which the Laiquendi sprung, were vegetarians and refused to take axes to trees. Thus while the Northern Silvans were (at first) amiable with Men and dwarves, the Southern Silvans shunned them and closed their borders to them. Ents, especially Entwives, were common visitors in their lands, though none were permanent residents, as the trees of the Valley of Gold were already well-shepherded by the elves.
Thus only the branches and trunks of naturally-fallen trees were used in construction in Lórinand. The Silvans of Lórinand did, however, farm and harvest “lesser” plants, including linen and hemp, from which they weaved fibers for clothes, and bamboo, which they used as a building and crafting material. These Silvans likewise had no livestock; but a few families formed a clan of silk-makers, who discovered the secrets of silkworms and wove the finest silk-fabrics east of the Sundering Sea. (In Valinor, the elves were introduced to silk by Vairë, and did not develop that craft on their own. Still, the greatest of all elven weavers, Míriel Þerindë, was of mixed Tatyarin-Nelyarin descent, and it was of these groups that the first Nandor were composed.)
In the Second Age, after the destruction of Beleriand, the Sindar and Noldor elves came eastward en masse. Nearly all the Noldor, and a sizable portion of the Sindar, dwelt in Lindon and Eriador on the western side of the Misty Mountains, but some Sindar journeyed further east, particularly those who had once been of Doriath. With them were some Laiquendi, the Guest-elves who had once served Denethor but were absorbed into Thingol’s folk after the First Battle of Beleriand; but for the most part the Laiquendi remained in the remnants of Ossiriand, their longtime home.
Thus came Oropher and his son Thranduil to the Vales of Anduin, and with them Amdír and his son Amroth. Both were lords of Doriath, and both were proud and unwilling to bow to any Noldo king. Their pride ended in a quarrel, from which their hosts divided. Oropher took two-thirds of their followers north to the Greenwood, and there established his realm, later assimilating into the Northern Silvan community; but Amdír went south with the remaining third, and came to Lórinand.
Now Lenwë, the original leader of the Nandor, had long ago traveled south and established a residence in the White Mountains, and none more was heard of him. But his sister Nimrodel* remained, and she was displeased with the Sindar who would make themselves lords of her people. She welcomed those of her long-sundered kin, descended from her nephew’s people, but treated Amdír with suspicion. But the Sindar brought with them jewels and metals from the West which were not to be found in Lórinand, and the greater part of the Silvan elves made them welcome. Thus Nimrodel removed herself to her white grotto, and continued to wear only the traditional garb of the Nandor, even while the world changed around her. There she daubed herself with white chalk in the ancient practice of ninkwi-helthwin, signifying her vow of solitude.
*Note: Nimrodel has no canonical relation to Lenwë or Denethor. This is purely my headcanon, as is her position as the once-leader of Lórien’s Silvan elves.
The Sindar brought with them different species of flax and hemp, furs of deer and elk, and seedlings of cedar and oak trees from Doriath. The new plants were welcomed and tended, though not all took to the new climate; but while the Sindar were permitted to wear their pelts and furs, they consented to cease hunting and abide by the customs of the Silvans in this manner.
Neither the Sindar nor the Silvans were adept in stonemasonry or smithery; but both had (somewhat reluctant, though for different reasons) trade with the the Noldor and the dwarves, both of whom were fabulous masons and smiths. Any decorations of stone or metal, and any jewels (other than those found uncut in the riverbeds of Lórinand) were thus obtained from commerce.
Amdír called himself King of Lórinand, but in truth he ruled only those Sindar he brought with him, the Silvans tolerating his lordship with some amusement but living mostly as they always had. His son Amroth, young and still desiring to see the wider world, left the Golden Wood and traveled further south, where he and a few companions joined the Falathrim Sindar of Edhellond. Among them were some of his mother’s kin, who welcomed him gladly, and there he dwelt for many centuries.
As the Second Age continued into its second millennium, the noble lady Galadriel came to Lórinand with her daughter Celebrían. They stayed there for 250 years. Galadriel’s influence upon the elves of Lórinand, combining her Noldorin and Falmarin heritage with her husband’s Sindarin customs, was pronounced. Her garb and appearance were singular: she had ropes of coir (coconut fiber) from far-off Alqualondë; cotton fabric from the fields of Yavanna in Aman; shell-jewelry from either side of the Sea; and most exotic of all, a shawl of byssus (sea silk), an heirloom of her mother, the Swan-maiden of the Falmari. Though none of these could be reproduced for the Silvans and Sindar to wear and use themselves, much work was done to emulate their appearance: bamboo ropes woven in the Telerin fashion, freshwater shells (before rarely harvested, and now used both for food and fashion), and a marked increase of silken garbs woven from native silkworms, which Galadriel herself adopted.
But perhaps the most impactful contribution brought by Galadriel were the mallorn saplings, given to her by Gil-galad, King of the Noldor, who in turn had them from King Aldarion of Númenor. With Amdír’s leave, she planted them in Lórinand, and by the time they were full-grown, the name of the wood changed to Lothlórien, the Dreamflower, for Galadriel said the land now reminded her of the Gardens of Lórien in Aman, where mallorn trees first were grown. Some Silvans, and Nimrodel most of all, disliked this change, and though a few joined Nimrodel’s seclusion (including Mithrellas), most held their tongues or else departed for other lands.
But Galadriel and Celebrían did not stay forever. After the Fall of Eregion, they traveled through Khazad-dûm, that kingdom’s last visitors before the Doors of Durin closed, to reunite with Galadriel’s husband Celeborn in the newly-founded haven of Imladris, and the family dwelt there for many years.
In the War of Eregion, Amroth son of Amdír returned to his father’s kingdom to defend Lothlórien. There the Sindar earned their renown and their place among the Silvans, for they led the defense of the forest, and many who had once disdained them came now to respect them. Around this time, Sindarin customs, fashion, and language became dominant, and some of the Silvan traditions were lost. The hunting of small game and the use of rabbit pelts even became allowed, though the taboo against the slaying of animals remained strong, and was not widely adopted.
Hearing of Amroth’s return to Lothlórien, Galadriel and Celeborn (and Celebrían their daughter) departed Imladris to meet him, for they had not seen him since he was a boy. Amdír welcomed them frostily, for he had only now reasserted his lordship over the land and was not keen for Galadriel to usurp the people’s favor once more. He and Amroth invited the couple to travel to Edhellond where Amroth had dwelt, and so they went, and dwelt there in Belfalas until the end of the Second Age.
In the War of the Last Alliance, Amdír led his people to battle alongside Oropher, where he perished along with many of his host. Most of these were Sindar, for the Silvans were hesitant to fight for a land not their own, and thus the host Amroth led back to Lothlórien was much diminished, and along with it the Sindar presence in his kingdom. But he did take upon himself the mantle of King, wearing a mantle of fur as part of his coronation, unmistakably a Sinda king.
But he and his followers were weary of war, and strove now to assimilate further into the customs of the Southern Silvans. Nimrodel came at last out of seclusion, and became a spiritual leader to rival Amroth’s political position, and against all odds the two of them fell in love, though Nimrodel refused to wed him. When Khazad-dûm was finally destroyed and the dwarves ousted by Durin’s Bane, Nimrodel, growing weary of Middle-earth at long, long last, finally assented to marry her sweetheart, should he only join her in the long journey to Valinor.
Much is said of this sad tale, where they were separated, and Amroth drowned in the Bay of Belfalas where he once was prince; but as for Nimrodel, none know. The last she was seen was in the White Mountains, and there are those among the Silvan elves who hold she met her brother Lenwë there, long-sundered, and lived with him and his secretive folk. But more suspect she perished also, or else passed over the Sea alone.
At this time the people of Lothlórien were leaderless, and hearing of their plight and their plea for aid, Galadriel and Celeborn came again to the Golden Wood. (Celebrían was not with them this time, for she had wed Elrond, Lord of Imladris, and lived there with him.) In Lothlórien they stayed, now its Lord and Lady, and there they remained until the end of the Third Age, when Galadriel departed across the Sea.
For some years, East Lórien lingered under the leadership of Celeborn; but a new Age of Men had arisen, and the woods were shrinking and diminishing, and the mallyrn slowly dying. Thus, a hundred years into the Fourth Age of Arda, the last of the Silvan elves hid themselves away: either secreting into the grottos along the riverside, or fleeing into Greenwood the Great or perhaps further eastward, or following their lord at last to Aman. In the wood died Arwen Evenstar, Celebrían’s daughter, whose fate was that of Men; and for a time her grave was tended, but eventually even those last Silvans who had dwelt in the Golden Wood, now gone silvery in age, ceased to stir, and faded with their Avarin kindred from the knowledge of Men, taking with them their mallryn, their telain, and all their rich traditions.
Many fantasize that Galadriel and Marion (Sauron) have a child called Celebrian. However, in the Legendarium, Galadriel also has another child, a boy born before Celebrian, named Amroth. He ruled Lothlórien for a time. Since he was the older one, I think he might have been the half-Maiar child, not Celebrian.
I made a couple of AI pictures of him.
