#manwendil

[darkfrozenabyss]

The half-elven.

[anghraine]

Felt like another poll (a RL complication is happening while I'm grading, so I take my joys where I can find them):

Pick a thing Tolkien wrote about peredhil

Arwen bears a very strong physical resemblance to her father, Elrond

Two of Elros's sons are named for the Valar

Aragorn, raised by Elrond, regards Elrond as the eldest of his own people

Elladan & Elrohir delay "the choice"* and we're never told what they choose

"Undómiel" mirrors the name of Elrond's long-dead niece, Tindómiel*

In the Mithrellas* draft of the Dol Amroth history, her son is the first prince

Elrond and his children (esp his sons) are not fully identified as Elves*

Elros's son Vardamir (and likely his other kids) was given "the choice" as well

Elrohir's name is in Númenórean Sindarin & Elladan means "Elf-Númenórean"*

The most beautiful man in Middle-earth was Dior Eluchíl*

Celebrían could have had more children if Arwen hadn't been so uniquely powerful

Eärendil's ship Vingilótë is named after the Sindarin* "gwing" in Elwing's name

Voting ended onDec 24, 2024

*The choice of immortality vs mortality, that is: being counted with Men or Elves in terms of their fates wrt death. We know they delay choosing after Elrond's departure, though not why, but (despite the common assumption that both would choose immortality) we're told absolutely nothing about what they chose in the end, or even if they made the same choice.

*Undómiel is derived from the Quenya word undómë, which literally translates to "evening twilight." The other twilight (morning twilight) is tindómë in Quenya, suggesting that Arwen's name was patterned after that of Elros's daughter, dead for thousands of years by Arwen's birth. We know nothing else about Princess Tindómiel.

*There are two basic versions of the backstory for the Princes of Dol Amroth—one draft in which the first prince in their line was a cousin of Elendil who received his unique title from him, and a completely different draft in which the first prince was Galador, son of Imrazôr and the Elf Mithrellas, and brother to Gilmith. These backstories are usually conflated into one grand unified backstory in wikis etc, but as written seem to be two alternate versions Tolkien considered at different times, never meant to be reconciled (the Mithrellas version is the more popular because it accounts more easily for Legolas's response to Imrahil in LOTR, and comes from the same source as a whole ton of useful information about Imrahil's family, including the existence and name of Faramir and Éowyn's son).

*IIRC the only half-Elf fully identified with Elves is Lúthien, whom Tolkien describes in POME as the greatest of all Elves (in the context of Fëanor and Galadriel being the greatest of Valinorean Elves). LOTR in particular excludes Elrond and his sons from generalizations about Elves (and Tolkien emphatically stated that Arwen is a peredhel, not an Elf).

*Tolkien translated the names of Elrond's sons in his letters—both names indicate Elf+Man, but he specifically translated Elrohir as later Númenórean/Gondorian Sindarin for "Elf-knight," and Elladan as "Elf-Númenórean."

*Dior, son of Lúthien and Beren, is described in the Silm: "He appeared as the fairest of the children of the world, of threefold race: of the Edain, and of the Eldar, and of the Maiar of the Blessed Realm."

*The essay that suggests a Bëorian rather than Sindarin origin for Elwing's name was explicitly discarded as a failure by Tolkien, who ultimately reverted to his usual idea that Bëorian disappeared completely and Elwing's name is fully Sindarin, with Sindarin gwing (and Q. wingë) related to Quenya winta ("scatter, blow about"—certainly apropos for the fate of her family and herself).

[kisselshore]

Some numenorian sketches

Here they are from left to right: Atanalcar, queen of Numenor, Tindomiel, Elros, Vardamir and Manwendil

So, another joke about Middle-earth and light bulbs, but this time with Vardamir in the lead role, because why not?"An outstanding scientist" is a thing.

Vardamir: Idea! So, there's Arien, she flies around with the Laurelin fruit, and it's bright here during the day, right? What if we could somehow make lots of these constantly glowing little Laurelins and not waste so many candles?

-...

Manwendil: And how do you imagine that?

Vardamir: You're so boring!

And older siblings in colour

[magicalhideoutengineer]

The Choice of Elros's Descendants

Eärendil was only 39 when he came to Valinor. He was not allowed to return to Middle-earth, but he obtained the grace (from Eru via Manwë) that his children, being half-elven on both sides – descendants of Idril and of Lúthien – should (a) have a choice of which kindred they would belong to, and (b) should in each kind have “a long and fair youth” – sc., should only slowly reach maturity – and that this should extend to the second generation: thus Elrond : Arwen and Elros : Vardamir.

[As first written, this passage read: and that this should extend to the third generation: thus Elrond : Arwen : Eldarion and Elros : Vardamir : Tar-Amandil.]

Eldarion was mortal and was not by promise included in the “grace of Eärendil”, but he had in fact a long youth: which took the form of remaining like a young man from maturity at 20 until 60 without change. He then lived another 65 years: making him 125, but in life-age 20 + 65 = 85. His descendants became normal, but long-lived.

- The Nature of Middle-earth: XI: Aging of Elves

Which appears to contradict The Lord of the Rings: The Appendix: The Númenorean Kings where no choice is specified:

Elros was the first King of Númenor, and was afterwards known by the High-elven name Tar-Minyatur. His descendants were long-lived but mortal.

Nonetheless, Tolkien did once consider that Elros's children had the choice as half-elven. If that were the case, Vardamir must have chosen the fate of Men as his date of death was given, and it's possible that Tindomiel, Manwendil and Atanalcar chose the fate of Elves.

[riding-with-the-wild-hunt]

"But to Elros, who chose to be a king of Men, still a great span of years was allotted, many times that of the Men of Middle-earth; and all his line, the kings and lords of the royal house, had long life even according to the measure of the Númenóreans. But Elros lived five hundred years, and ruled the Númenóreans four hundred years and ten." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion, "Akallabêth"

@halfelvenweek day 3 ⇢ heritage + númenoreans || THE LINE OF ELROS

[ID: four graphics in shades of brown and desaturated dark blue.

1: A large image of Cherokee Jack framed by a brown rectangle covers the left side of the graphic. He is an aniyunwiya model with light brown skin and long, straight, dark brown hair. He is shown in profile, facing left and looking slightly down. The right side of the graphic shows a diamond-shaped image of ocean surf and rocks, divided into four sections and framed in brown. Below that, white serif text reads "Elros, later called Tar-Minyatur, was the first and founding king of Númenor. Born of Elwing of the line of Lúthien and Eärendil the Blessed, he chose to be numbered among the Edain and led his people to the hallowed island of Elenna. Elros was long-lived, as were all of his House, and he ruled for many years in great splendour and wisdom. He was exceedingly devoted to his spouse Saelhenien and their children, as well as to his brother Elrond."

2: Same format as Image 1, but the sides are switched. The large image shows indian model Shonali Singh. She has brown skin and black hair tied back in a bun, and is looking to the side. The small image shows birds flying over the ocean, and the text below it reads "Saelhenien, a descendant of Bëor, was gentle and wise, though firm of will. As queen of Númenor, she took the name Tar-Maiwendë, but though Saelhenien occupied her role with grace, she knew herself to be at heart a man. Elros her husband encouraged Saelhenien to live as his true self, but Saelhenien feared civil unrest, and remained Tar-Maiwendë for the sake of practicality. To honor this sacrifice, Elros gave his spouse a new name in secret: Meldaro, he who is beloved."

3: The whole graphic is framed in brown, and contains two smaller rectangular images each with their own frame. The image on the right side shows Reef Titcomb, a young man with brown skin and dark curly hair, facing to the side with his eyes closed and head lifted. White text below the image reads "Vardamir Nólimon was the eldest child of Elros and Saelhenien, and first heir to the throne of Númenor. He preferred scholarship to politics, however, and largely deferred to his sister Tindómiel in matters of state." The second image shows Logan Alcosiba, a native hawaiian/filipino/mixed european model with freckled brown skin and straight dark hair. She is looking at the viewer intently, turned slightly to one side. Text below the image reads "While still young Tindómiel declared her affinity as a woman, to the great joy of her parents, especially Saelhenien. She proved an adept and clever diplomat, and helped to construct the earliest Númenorean courts of law." Between the two pictures is a small drawing of a white crown.

4: Same format as Image 3, but this time the first image shows Josh Armstrong, a young man with brown skin and dark brown curly hair tied back in a bun. He is wearing a white shirt and looking at the viewer with a thoughtful expression. Text below the image reads "Manwendil inherited Elros’s curiosity and Saelhenien’s gentle spirit. He was greatly pious and while still a youth dedicated himself to the service of Manwë; it was said that he learned to speak with birds, even as the Lord of Air." The second picture shows Mase Somanlall, a guyanese/canadian model with brown skin and wavy dark hair. He is leaning back with his arms folded behind his head, looking up at the viewer. Text reads "Atanalcar was the youngest child of Elros and Saelhenien, greatly beloved by his family and his people alike He was charming and had exceeding skill in the sporting arts, though he was most known as a runner and javelin-thrower." //End ID]

[elronds-library]

A Sail in the West

by bunn (@cycas)

The first ship to return from Numenor since Elros sailed away comes to Mithlond. Elrond is there to greet it.

General, No Archive Warnings

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[velvet4510]

How many children did Elros’ son Manwendil have?

None

1

2

3

4

More than 4

Voting ended onDec 18, 2025

[leavespics]

Family of Elros 👑