#oea programming

[2thecosmos]

I hate how people portray cult trauma and OEA/RAMCOA in general because a lot of the time it's not as exciting as you'd think. it's not always gore and blood and death. i will not give examples as to what i mean for safety reasons, but just know this: if cults and OEA/RAMCOA were exciting and big and dramatic all the time, then the acts done would be too visible to get away with.

[granulesofsand]

Hello there!

I had a question for you-- do you know much of anything about duality programming?

How to combat it? How it works? I know what it is, but knowing more would be a great help to my system.

Duality

🗝️🏷️ RAMCOA/OEA (de)programming

We have a lot of duality programming. Do we know much of anything about it? Hard to say (only wrote a short essay on it).

The most active dual we deal with is good/evil. For us, this looks like angels and demons, white and red, mind and heart. These groups have the heaviest training to fight each other, though some of our duals maintain more of a distrusting truce.

Dealing with Duals

We started by keeping them away from each other. Both groups have their own extreme ideals, many of which are harmful to the body (white obeys unquestioningly, including orders to deprive the body of survival needs and cause harm to us or outsiders; red acts on emotion, including sexual and violent behaviors). The angels agree not to come around during mealtimes and to leave if we need sleep or the toilet, the demons practice impulse control, both go back inside if they have urges that would be dangerous to act on. They don’t front for urges, so they don’t fight over urges.

We taught them how they were lied to, which beliefs they held came from which shoddy staged events. We gave them choices, how far they wanted to move how fast. Let them stay within their belief system if they wanted to, and let them define the words they were fed for themselves. Taught them the different between natural consequences and punishments.

After a few months of preventative measures, we started to pick out which of each group was the most mild, who had similar external experiences, who was most willing to interact with other insiders without escalating. We tried to pair them up, getting them used to one another like introducing a new animal to a pet. Usually, the first reaction was disdain, which often led to escalation. Find them hobbies to bond over, media they can consume together, topics they both tolerate.

We have some pairs that are doing okay. ‘Good’ is a stretch, but okay.

Their groups’ higherups started to ostracize them. The few who were already working with us helped settle the defensiveness from the rest, and they’ve mostly given up trying to break the pairs.

Progress

The fighting is ongoing.

More and more of the ‘lesser’ angels and demons are coming forward looking for a partner — the ones who were mass-made, who have group loyalty but not as much ideology, or who have ideology but not so much group loyalty. These are the cannon-fodder who get recycled during the battles, and they don’t like that course so much.

We’re at a point where the violence is still going, but is more enjoyable for the participants? The higherups have some weird sexual tension happening that we’ve taken to therapy to see if it’s appropriate — it’s harm reduction, which is about as good as it gets.

How It Got Here

This dynamic was programmed in deep over the years, and it’s entangled in several of our integral structures with this dual alone. There are reflected layers for us, and they’re like pyramid schemes with each cluster under another person (in a cluster under another person). The higherups have mirrored roles based on the mythology we were raised with, and the top of each pyramid is another dual (yellow and black).

We were trained wearing clothes of the color, surrounded by people dressed like us and spewing similar beliefs. The second layer of each pyramid was trained for specific jobs, and they have symbols that code them. The bases are the mass-produced ones, and they were mostly trauma holders. The points are the most elaborate, magical-esque programmed systemmates, and they are… something else.

We had staged fights with color-coded teams, readings from cult texts and plays acted out for us. This was big for our group of origin, so we got the whole shebang. Growing up, we thought these sidesystems were external spirits from other planes.

So…

I don’t know how similar of an experience y’all had, but we’re open to talk more in DMs if that’d suit you. Only so much we can put out for the whole of the internet while staying safe ourselves.

I hope the process goes well for you, similar to ours or not.

[2thecosmos]

TW for programming + programmed systems, as well as the incompetency of "willogenic"/non traumagenic systems.

I saw this post earlier today about how programmed/"conditioned" systems are proof of "willogenic systems" being possible. How incompetent can a person get??? Programming is a type of trauma. When a child is programmed, typically, alters are "created". But it's not just trauma + will = alter. Because the goal of programming isn't to create a system. The goal of programming is to create a person who is entirely loyal and will do any task they are given. And to get that, you have to traumatize said person over and over with some of the most vile methods on this Earth. "Willogenic systems" are not at all comparable to programmed systems. Because programmed systems didnt just stare at a character until they split an alter based off of it. And "willogenic systems" didn't go through torturous events for years on end.

The audacity of these LARPers sometimes makes me want to do heinous crimes.

[2thecosmos]

What does the label HC-DID mean to us?

A quick explanation.

(under the cut, + tw for mentions of ramcoa)

To put it simply, HC-DID means "highly complex dissociative identity disorder". It is related to a "version" of DID where the system is formed in a diverse, often confusing way. For us, and many others, HC-DID is not meant to be a label that competes in trauma olympics. In fact, it doesn't necessarily have to do with trauma at all.

Highly complex DID forms during RAMCOA/OEA abuse. It is characterized by one or more side systems, with layers, fragments, hierarchies, and/or specific ways of functioning. Most of the time, HC-DID is a result of programming, although it can be from other types of RAMCOA/OEA.

We have seen a lot of controversy over the label HC-DID. It's not a label used by medical professionals, it's often seen as a way to describe systems who are "worse off", it was coined by a not so great person... on and on. So why do we choose to use the term?

It's the easiest way for us to describe what we went through without completely exposing ourselves.

When there is a label that I and other survivors of this horrific abuse can use to describe our experiences, it is often shut down by outside members of the system community. For us personally, it feels like yet another attempt to silence people like us. We will not be silenced again.

When we use HC-DID, here is what we are not doing:

- we are not saying our trauma was worse, more severe, or provided more of a result.

- we are not saying our system is better than anyone else.

- we are not supporting the individual who made the term.

- we are not using the term to explain our medical experience.

here is what we are doing:

- we are using the term in a non-medical, purely descriptive label.

- we are spreading awareness about what we survived.

- we are keeping ourselves safe from outside harm.

- we are providing basic information as to why our system functions the way it does.

hopefully, this clears things up :)

[2thecosmos]

I wish more people understood that I'm not claiming to be a programmed system for shits and giggles. This DID happen to me. Im not faking it. You werent fucking there.

[2thecosmos]

When people use the fact that there are little sources that discuss ramcoa to "prove" that RAMCOA exists as a whole, i get so confused. i feel like it's obvious to me as to why there is next to no definitive proof of this abuse, especially not in a scientific sense. and especially the stuff that is available not easily accessed online. below the cut i ramble about it if you're curious to my reasoning.

TW: RAMCOA and programming.

NOT a specific process or type of programming, but it discusses how and why children are programmed, and how the timing correlates with the current resources we have.

let's look at the process of programming for example. programming typically happens to YOUNG children. this is because the younger you are, the easier it is to traumatize you. children are entirely dependent on the adults in their life to teach them certain skills, such as emotional regulation, critical thinking, navigating problems, group participation, etc. because a child does not already have these rules implemented (at least not as heavily as adults), it's easier to change them up. so, as a general overview, programming will usually happen to young children. what else do we know about child development psychologically speaking? well, a child's memory is kind of finicky. someone who is abused at 4 years old might either completely block out those memories or have them jumbled up by 18 years old. so, that means that survivors of ramcoa in childhood are going to have a really hard time explaining their trauma, let alone creating scientific sources about it. what about non-survivors? why arent they writing about it? a few reasons. one reason is that it would be entirely unethical to run even an observation of programming in a scientific context. you would have to stand by and allow a child to be tortured, and part of the time, you would have to keep this secret from the family/parents/relatives/guardians. another reason is because the government, law enforcement, etc frequently have ties to programming. groups work with them to keep out of trouble. and then there's a pretty common reason, which is survivors not being believed by those who could possibly help. obviously, the programmers and abusers doing the tasks are not going to write about programming; it would expose their own actions. also, i am begging yall to realize that the age of which children are being programmed is intentional. young children are programmed because it's easy, because they won't remember things properly (if at all), because they won't be believed later in life. young children are chosen because almost all of the time, they will never speak up about their abuse and be believed and press charges. and if they don't do any of those things, there will almost never be any research, proper sources, or even personal accounts of the abuse. the sources that are out there are also not going to be easily accessed on the internet. if they were easily accessed and more people saw them, then not only would there be public outrage, but more survivors would come forward. it would force the abusers to face the consequences of their actions. they would lose money, they would lose access, they would lose buildings, they would lose tools. part of this is being shown right now, with the general public finding and reading the epstein files.

so i feel like it's obvious as to why there are no scientific sources easily accessed on the internet, if at all, about ramcoa and programming. but that is just me and i am a survivor, so i probably think about it way too much. please take this with a grain of salt, this is not the end all be all and no programmer/abuser/group/etc is the same!!

[2thecosmos]

if I see one more minor say theyre a ramcoa survivor online I will lose it 😭

TO BE CLEAR: Im not saying you cant be a ramcoa survivor as a minor. What I AM saying is that saying you are one is dangerous in general, but especially as a minor.

[2thecosmos]

TW: a vent about the normalization of the trauma I experienced, I guess?

Having to accept that the normal parts of my childhood are also some of the most horrifying abuse experiences out there is so difficult. How am I supposed to cope with the fact that the things I called regular are what others would call pure evil? Or the fact that if I were to talk about the adults in my life by name, the ones I thought were kind to acknowledge me would be ridiculed and possibly thrown in jail forever?