#itbc

[creature-wizard]

Why Project Monarch & Alter Programming Aren't Real: The Masterpost

With current events the way they are, it's more crucial than ever that everyone understands where the conspiracy narratives about cults practicing secret mind control techniques and conducting all of these ritual murders and tortures comes from, and how we know that all of this stuff is straight-up not real.

(To be clear, I am not saying that people's trauma symptoms aren't real, or that they weren't severely abused in some way. I am saying that alter programming is not actually required to explain anyone's trauma symptoms. People's symptoms are real, but special mind control practices are not the cause.)

The Basics

How we know false memories exist (and no, it's not because the FMSF says so!)

How Project Monarch fails the "Six Ways To Debunk Any Conspiracy Theory" sniff test

How the discovery of real cases of religious abuse, csa, government conspiracies, etc. actually weaken claims of Monarch-type programming

Recovered memory therapy from the perspective of former patients

The History

The Shared Origins of Reptilian & Ritual Abuse Conspiracy Theories

What the Project Monarch alter programming conspiracy theory is (and what it's not)

How the Project Monarch alter programming conspiracy theory developed

The Proponents

Cathy O'Brien - One of the first Project Monarch "Survivors"

Cathy O'Brien claims transgender is a mind control agenda

Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler: Two Of The Most Dangerous Conspiracy Theorists Most People Have Never Heard Of

Svali, a "survivor" cited by people like Alison Miller and Ellen Lacter, is a conspiracy theorist

Svali: An Underacknowledged Influence on Alter Programming Conspiracy Theories

Origins of the Five Steps of Discipline - it was made up by Svali!

Yes, Dr. Alison Miller is a conspiracy theorist

Yes, Dr. Colin Ross is a conspiracy theorist

Unwelcome Ozian copied Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler - see for yourself!

I just read Unwelcome Ozian's "Rules of Programming," and Oh Boy.

Other

Why the survey cited by Ellen Lacter is worthless and meaningless

How singlets can be misled into believing they have DID

Let's talk about The Symptoms(TM), and how they're a red flag for bullshit

Don't let people guilt trip you into accepting substandard evidence

How to explain to others that Project Monarch isn't real

Check your conspiracy theory. Does it sound anything like this?

Check your conspiracy theory part two: double, double, boil and trouble

Check Your Conspiracy Theory Part Three: Babylonian Mysteries?? In My Religion???

[outnumberedsins]

What "Counts" as OEA?

I saw a post that disgruntled me enough to want to talk about this, so here we are. There seems to be a heavy amount of misinformation on what "counts" as OEA, often excluding adult victims and non-programmed victims. So, within this post, we'll go over what the terms "OA, MC, and RA" mean, as well as commonly construed myths.

Organized Abuse

all-encompassing.

Organized abuse is a wide term that includes experiences of ritual abuse and mind control but is in no way exclusive to them. Often, only organized child sexual abuse is mentioned, which leaves out a lot of experiences it includes.

The most simple definition of organized abuse is "Abuse that involves a number of people doing something together in a pre-planned and/or structured way, rather than acting alone." In short terms, abuse done by multiple people in a planned way. [1]

All groups under the RAMCOA/OEA label will fall under this category. This includes, but is not limited to, Cults, Trafficking Rings, Labor Camps, "Troubled Teen" Camps, Intra-Familial Organized Abuse, and other experiences that fall under this definition. This includes victims indoctrinated into cults, trafficked, or otherwise abused as adults, as well as children born or brought into it. Location of the abuse (at home, in a church, at school, at a daycare, etc) doesn't matter, and someone does not have to go through ritual abuse or mind control to have experienced organized abuse.

Ritual Abuse

not inherently satanic.

Ritual abuse is a term often confused with SRA, or "Satanic Ritual Abuse," an outdated and often harmful label for forms of organized extreme abuse. Not all forms of organized abuse are ritual abuse.

Ritual abuse can be defined as "Abuse that occurs in a context where symbols or activities have superstitious, supernatural, or religious connotations. It is organised, often involving multiple perpetrators, and the abuse often happens as part of a rite or ceremony." Alternatively, the word 'ritual' refers to "a rite, ceremony or pseudo- religious service which involves a series of actions performed in a fixed order and/or at certain times; something that is done in the same way whenever a particular situation occurs." [1] [2]

Because of this, ritual abuse can be defined while including spiritual themes and non spiritual themes. So, many definitions include other forms of abuse that is ritualized/specifically repeated in nature, such as on a specific day or time or in a specific order.

This type of abuse is most dominated in literature by satanic overtones, once again from the term SRA. However, this is not exclusive to satanic cults. Any group based on a belief system or using other reoccurring themes/abuse can perpetrate ritual abuse. Though ritual abuse is also more commonly linked with mind control and child abuse, programming and age have no impact on if an experience is ritual abuse or not.

Survivors of ritual abuse include things like ritualistic ceremonies, games, symbols, set-ups, abuse on specific days/holidays, abuse in a specific order, etc as common experiences.

Mind Control

programming and beyond

Mind control tends to be the term that receives the most problems, as many people tend to only think of programming when hearing it. However, MC is not exclusive to programming survivors, and many types of MC have been recognized.

A good definition of MC is "Methods of thought reform to force submission or information from enemies and victims, or to indoctrinate and increase cooperation in members and captors," and is a synonym to coersive persuasion, defined as "attempts to force people to change beliefs, ideas, attitudes or behaviors using psychological pressure, undue influence, threats, anxiety, and/or intimidation." [3] [4]

Programming is an example of the far end of mind control, a severe form of conditioning. However, things such as cult and religious indoctrination, psychic driving, terrified submission, etc, are all also forms of MC that can occur within organized abuse. MC is not exclusive to child victims, as most forms of MC can be performed at any age.

Thank you for reading. If you have any questions or additions, feel free to send an ask or reply to this post. A reminder that I am not a professional, I am flawed, and I am just doing my best.

[ghost-jester-sys]

i dont talk abt my childhood RE ITBC and OEA on here anymore really to avoid the whole "its a conspiracy" people

but i feel a NEED to say this

there is a side to the internets portrayal of ITBC that IS conspiratorial and falsified.

when i say im programmed i mean i was conditioned via extreme measures to respond to specific stimuli, people and inputs a certain way.

eg: Person A asks [specific phrase] and i will respond how they have made me to every time

because of how my brain chose to respond to this, i split alters to respond accordingly

from what i know from other HC-DID systems that have spoken about this.. most of us werent intended to be separate alters, but states of being and "approved" behaviours. DID wasnt the intention, "correct" behaviour was.

i think the amount of misinfo out there especially spread by people who cannot for whatever reason fully research is the main detriment to spaces where this is talked about

also a lot of us dont have the words or understanding to describe what actually happened to us.

this post is pretty messy and i do NOT SPEAK FOR ALL HC-DID SYSTEMS ABOUT THIS

im just tryna explain this stuff in a more easily understandable way hopefully

[2thecosmos]

oea/ramcoa is one of the more "abhorrent" forms of abuse. it's less to do with the trauma olympics aspect and more to do with the way oea acts are committed. but sometimes i wish more people understood it better.

i always feel terrible when i say that, because the only way to truly understand oea/ramcoa is to go through it. i wouldn't wish that upon my greatest enemies. it just really sucks when the trauma i've faced and the effort i've given to get where i am today get dismissed and even pushed under the rug. i've spent my whole life not being believed by the people who were supposed to protect me. what makes my trauma so unbelievable?

most people don't understand and they never will. i think one of the worst aspects of oea/ramcoa that a lot of us don't mention is the loneliness of it all. even if i do talk to other survivors, oea/ramcoa is such a broad term, and its practices are vastly different from each other. there's not really a single safe person who will get everything about my story.

i guess i just wish i had someone who could listen and understand. but i'm not provided that luxury and it hurts a lot more than i expected.

[programmed-cultureis]

Programmed culture is going from pre-discovery "I am a horrible person and my thoughts and behaviors mean I deserve to suffer"

Tothe post discovery "ohhh that was a sign huh... and not even subtle about it"

[brokemirrorsyndicate]

So apparently being survivors of ITBC/RAMCOA, being a programmed system means you are an extreme right wing conspiracy theorist....please tell that to the survivors who have been tortured by extreme right wing abusers

[coining-system-terms]

Tattletale - An alter who tells handlers when another alter goes against their programming.

Flag Meaning : The green stripes represent insecurity and fear of failure or punishment if the alter doesn't report to the handler(s). The high number of stripes represents this being a repeating pattern of behaviour. The stripes getting thinner as they get further from the center represents the lack of trust the system may feel toward this alter.

[granulesofsand]

Silence vs Silence

🗝️🏷️ ITBC/programming

The way I differentiate between silence as trained verbal shutdown and the tendency of brains to shut off language during times of stress (or reliving stress) is whether it affects all language or just my English. If I could say the thing in French or ASL (even with shoddy construction), it’s usually a trained thing. Both can feel like being forced out of my body, and I’m not sure the feeling of having my jaw bound is unique to coerced responses.

Scramble is hard, too, because dissociation will just do that; make everything hard to process, either blipping in and out or sliding right off without soaking in. Sometimes it comes with a visual effect that makes the lighting look warmer than it is or the room darker, with shapes out of place.

The truth of it is that they’re probably related, and the only way I really know is if someone admits to having intentionally caused that change and having been trained to do it. Programs are taking the capacities of the mind and turning them against it. Sometimes it is specific methods of abuse and repetition, other times it’s building on natural defenses. Usually it’s both, and that’s why it’s difficult to untangle.

Either way, the solution is learning that this is not a threat like it used to be, and that we can handle it with the resources we have now, inside and out. Trauma taught one lesson, but we can learn another in the present.