ngl if you're gonna villainize the canon love interest to prop up your ship, I don't think you have anything valuable to say I fear.
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ngl if you're gonna villainize the canon love interest to prop up your ship, I don't think you have anything valuable to say I fear.
Actually I WILL talk about Mai's seeming 'radicalisation'. With the upcoming comic, I can see why a lot of people are confused/caught offguard by Mai suddenly having a vested interest in reforming the Fire Nation's school curriculum.
However, I don't think it's as much of a heelturn as one would believe at first glance.
Mai is a difficult character to pinpoint on some levels, particularly due to her upbringing which stripped her of a lot of her self expression. I think most of the fandom underestimates the trauma and effect of Mai's upbringing. I elaborate on it here.
However, the long and short of it is that Mai was not encouraged to question, criticise or, god forbid, rebel against her enviornment. To the point where her parents scared her with stories of spirits that would kidnap her if she misbehaved.
Ukano's involvement in politics and relatively high status should also be taken into account. Mai would have grown up being strongly encouraged to conform to her father's beliefs and go along with his politics.
Mai : My mother said I had to keep out of trouble. We had my dad's political career to think about.
We've seen the propaganda and indoctrination of the Fire Nation school system, how it uses misinformation in its curriculum and how it punishes deviance.
Most fire nation children won't have the tools to find the cruelty and danger in the philosophy of the Fire Nation. Zuko had to get banished from the country to even start his deconstruction. And he had Iroh at his side to guide him.
It's not shocking that Mai would not be able to see the flaws of the Fire Nation. Despite this, she still shows no attachment to the Nation's cause, either. In fact, she actively refused to take part in the war effort when she thought she could get away with it.
I don't think Mai had much sympathy to the other nations, nor will I claim she secretly harboured anti imperialistic sentiment. I simply want to state the fact that Mai was, from a young age, forced to do things she didn't want to do and conditioned by multiple parties, to accept this. Mai has been trained to be passive, with only the method of passive aggressiveness and gloominess to defend herself.
I think after the fall of Ozai's rule and the slow restructuring of the Nation, Mai got more freedom in her life. Ukano's political role diminished, so Mai was allowed to think for herself. She gets to discover the world more and develop her own thoughts and ideals, rather than the ones she'd been forced to conform to.
This line in the upcoming comic seems to confirm my thoughts:
Mai's upbringing is the underground and darkness. She was never given an alternative or agency in her life. And thanks to Zuko, she was able to see and experience a different world than the one she was brought up with. She is able to help to try and achieve it.
Initially, Mai is angry at Zuko's joining of team Avatar. She feels betrayed and upset that he did not talk to her in person, even if it was to protect her. And yet, she saves him. While I believe that most of her motivation was genuinely out of love for Zuko. But she also, ekther inadvertently or deliberately made the choice between Azula and Zuko. Between the two potential duture leaders of the Nation.
And she chose Zuko. Who is not only the boy she loves, but also the boy who can heal her nation.
There is an argument to be made about how Mai represents the Fire Nation itself and its relationship to Zuko, but that is a topic for another day.
The theme of Mai caring for the future of the Fire Nation can be seen expanding in the comics. As 99% of the fandom will tell you, the comics have their flaws, but I do enjoy their handling of Mai for the most part.
I think it's interesting that we are shown that Mai not only wants Zuko to be Fire Lord, but for him to be a good Fire Lord.
We see her dissapointed in Zuko secretly meeting with Ozai. At first glance, what she says to Zuko is that she is dissapointed in him keeping secrets from her, which is understandable, since the last time he kept a secret from her led to him joining the opposite side of a war.
However, with her next appearance, we see that Mai may have had another concern relating to Zuko's communing with Ozai. When Ty Lee informs her of Zuko also enlisting Azula's help, Mai exclaims 'so he really is turning into his father', which seems to denote that Mai has a distaste for Ozai and his rule, whether that be from the begining, or recently acquired.
Mai also criticises Zuko's callous and controlling restrictions over the frightened townspeople. This serves to further cement the idea of Mai becoming disillusioned with the similarly inclined authority figures of her past. Authority figures who were a symptom of the Fire Nation's utilitarian and imperialistic system. We see this disdain manifesting in its full force in the teasers for the upcoming comic.
I think people tend to not realise how restricted in her self expression and thoughts Mai was, despite all the puzzle pieces being laid out for us in the show.
Mai has gone through a very quick and yet realistic episode of character growth in my opinion. Not unlike a lot of people raised in heavily Conservative and restrictive households who peel off later in life, she's settling into her own mindset and motivations.
Ans I don't think it's an unrealistic idea for Mai to want to help change the education system. The Fire Academy for girls is where she met Azula, and as an all girl school alumni, I can tell you first hand how toxic and confining these enviornments can be.
While Mai may not be seen as a particularly empathetic or kind person (though I think this interpretation is flawed), she can sympathise with the young girls who will be placed in the shoes of her younger self.
She can want to not see these kids go through what she, Ty Lee AND Azula did.
[The panels of Mai glancing between the stifling interior of the school and the open window and choosing to go outside and lead the Nation's youth outside... ugh]
Not only is this a rather logical progression for Mai's character, in my opinion, but it also feels like a very big 'healing your inner child' moment for Mai. Since she was not really seemingly allowed to be a child, as most children in the Fire Nation appeared to have such restrictions placed on them.
I don't think it's much of a stretch of the imagination that Mai would want to have at least a small part in dismantling the system that harmed her and so many other children of the nation.
She is a young woman now, she has grown from the oversheltered, apathetic teen she was in the show. She has been able to make her own informed opinions about the state of the nation, has been able to hone her trauma into determination. And it seems we're going to see the fruits of this development in "Ashes of the Academy".
I have very high hopes for the upcoming comic, since what we've seen of it appears to make a compelling story, one I relate to deeply, as well as a good study of Mai, a character I find often misinterpreted by the fandom.
why is the entire atla fandom shipping everything BUT maiko recently😞i've been seeing a lot of the usual suspects like kataang, sukka, zukka, and jetko but i'm even seeing a lot of rare pairs... like those two people were never even on screen together why don't you pick an actual couple that have known each other since childhood🙄it's like a ghost town going through the maiko tags on here💔
My current thoughts on Maiko and Zutara as a former hardcore Maiko shipper.
In retrospect, the reason I felt so strongly about Maiko is that Mai goes against patriarchal ideas of what makes “a good woman,” yet Zuko accepted her for who she is.
My former frustration with Zutara wasn’t about Zutara itself- it was about demonizing Mai as an undesirable woman because how she expresses her femininity isn’t palatable.
Mai doesn’t force herself to be bright and cheery. She knows it isn’t her responsibility to manage other people’s emotions. She speaks her mind unapologetically. She despises the way her individuality and agency are stripped away in the name of upholding societal norms of what a nobleman’s daughter should be like. Her character emphasizes the importance of individualism.
In contrast, while Katara is very much a feminist, she does fit into the classical idea of femininity much more than Mai does.
Katara is motherly and nurturing. She will go to lengths to protect others’ feelings even at her own expense. She is expressive, outwardly affectionate, and sentimental. Her character is more focused on her relationships with others and her community.
And so, I always saw Maiko vs Zutara as “this character who does not fit the traditional mold of what makes a good woman is a bad love interest. This other female character who does fit that mold deserves the male interest so much more.”
Maiko drives home the point that it’s others who should try to understand these women who deviate from societal expectations instead of pressuring those women to mold themselves into someone they’re not.
Criticizing Maiko by saying Mai is too dour and bland for Zuko sounded awfully close to “you would be prettier if you smiled more” comments. Especially because Mai was raised in a strict household obsessed with image- I can picture Michi telling her “Mai, if you want to attract a good suitor you have to act this way!”
I was never anti-Zutara, I was anti-Mai slander. So, while I still enjoy Maiko, I now causally ship Zutara in the sense of “I think their dynamic is cool and they had potential”
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I actually like zutara as a concept, it's a ship I'll casually read fics about them sometimes.
it's just zutara fans are fucking delusional. Stop treating their Canon partners as abusive when it's the complete opposite. Especially Mai.
Aang isn't a misogynistic monk that forces katara to be his house wife. If he did katara would leave him in a millisecond. He actually cares so much about her. It's actually Canon HE cooks and accommodates his cultural food with kataras.
And Mai was literally ready to die for zuko. Even when they just broke up, she was ready to get electrocuted by azula if it wasn't for ty lee chi blocking azula.
I'm aware it seems like she doesn't care about him the way she's quiet and aloof but I understand where she was coming as someone who somewhat has similar tendencies of being a little awkward when trying to show emotions and it coming off as being uncaring or rude. But at the end of the day she really shows she loves him, so people saying she's abusive is completely inaccurate to her character.
Her bottling up her emotions was taught by her parents as she explains in the beach episode somewhat where she had to worry about her father's reputation all the the time, forcing her to be quiet as a form of behaving.
Personally I think her quiet personality fits with Zukos loud ass, especially giving him a reality check during the beach episode calling him out for being angry all the time and how he needs to keep it in check.
Zutara is a nice ship I agree but you can ship it without mischaracterizing tf out of thier Canon partners.
“Zuko and Katara wanted each other from the beginning” (actual take I’ve seen) MY GUY Zuko didn’t even KNOW Katara’s name he literally only knew Aang’s name after joining the group he would only address someone by name after he heard someone else say their name
Beyond knowing her name or not - WHEN did Zuko ever, ever show he "wanted" Katara?
When he was on a date with Jin? When he had a full on relationship with Mai and was so into her, he'd constantly suck face with her and would get jealous when other guys showed interest?
When he stayed up at night thinking of Aang saying they could have been friends, or when he had a fever dream in which he literally becomes Aang because the obsession was that strong?
(When he had sexual tension with his sister thanks to Grey reading her lines like she was still doing voice-over for literal porn?)
And when did Katara show she "wanted" Zuko?
When she blushed when Haru praised her? When she was literally being swept off her feet by Jet?
When she'd get jealous over other girls paying attention to Aang? Or she asked to him? Or got mad when he said he didn't want to kiss her? Or kissed him back when he kissed her first? Or got all up in his business while "helping him with his waterbending stance"? Or flat out told him "I don't see you as a little brother"? Or the literal DOZENS of times she blushed around him, showed him physical affection? Or the time she THREATENED TO MURDER ZUKO IF HE EVER HURT AANG?
Oh, I know! They showed their Totally Not Fanon mutual attraction when they made disgusted faces and physically slid away from each other at the realization that people assumed they were a couple - that's how people who are into each other act, right?
Mai truly is for us emotionally repressed girlies like
Her whole character arc is like she’s emotionally repressed and was never allowed to express herself so she puts up all these walls and acts like she doesn’t care about anything and is so closed off.
And then her whole arc culminates with her loudly and proudly declaring the love she feels so deeply for Zuko. she expresses just how deep these emotions go, she is willing to die for him. Because she cares so much. Her emotions, her care, her love are so strong that they overpower her fear. Not just her fear of Azula but her fear of expressing herself, of stepping out of line, of standing for what she believes in. Which at this moment is Zuko- she doesn’t even fully understand what he’s doing, but she knows she trusts him more than anyone else. More than the fire nation propaganda and brainwashing, more than Azula, more than her parents. She knows Zuko has a good heart, she loves him for it, and she trusts it.
And that trust and love empowers her to finally express just how deeply she feels.
I don’t know if I’m articulating this very well but as someone who has always struggled to express myself Mai is just so fucking good and powerful to me.
Since zutarians are cowards, as usual, and think that blocking means "I'm right because you can't talk back now, HA!" I'm gonna have to be petty
1 - Poiting out that Mai explicitly complains about not having a relationship with her parents, that her friendly canonically conclude this is why she's so emotionally closed off, and that said parents are indeed never around is, in fact, not a contradiction or "reading into things". What's next, us being told that Ozai disfigured and traumatized Zuko, seeing that Zuko has a scar on his face and shows signs of trauma, and connecting the dots to say "Being physically abused by his father messed him up" is also "making things up"?
2 - Kissing your boyfriend, who kisses you back gladly, is not coersion or forcing yourself on someone who's not interested or being inappropriate, what planet are you from? Zuko is NOT shy about pushing away people who are getting on his nerves, or even just being too physical when he doesn't want it (see when Song tried to touch his scar). If he's constantly sucking face with Mai, even making moves on her after she yelled at everybody to fuck off and leave her be, it's because he likes her. Deal with it.
3 - Once again, you're acting like Zuko repeatedly seaking out Mai for comfort isn't indicating that she's proving said comfort, even as she's literally talking things out with him and cuddling him, ON SCREEN. Zuko likes to vent, he also doesn't like being ignored. There's a reason we see him going to Iroh and not Ozai. If Mai was giving him nothing, he wouldn't bother with her. And you're being extremely dishonest by acting like Mai EVER shut him down emotionally after the events of The Beach. We see her visibly concerned over his emotional wellbeing in Nightmares and Daydreams all the time, and once again, if Zuko didn't think it was genuine/didn't appreciate it, he'd treat her like a foe that is being nice either as a trick or to get something, aka how he treats his sister whom he has an actual power imbalance/struggle with.
4 - Mai not having a panic attack everytime Azula is in the room doesn't mean their friendship wasn't seriously screwed up with a heavy element of coersion, by that logic Zuko and Ozai's relationship is perfectly fine. Azula repeatedly shows to everyone, including her friends, that she's got zero problem taking advantage of the fact that she's a princess and gets to just demand things, and threaten or hurt people if she doesn't get her way. Mai being fed up with being treated like that is, by extension, being fed up with the Fire Nation's system, same way that Zuko being sick of Ozai's bullshit led to him changing sides in the war instead of just leaving home.
5 - HOW IN THE FUCK is Mai saving Zuko, and in the process commiting treason against the royals in power by knowingly helping someone who wants to take down the current rulers, not political? What's next, Zuko joining Aang isn't political?
6 - Mai's arrest and her release are literally two episodes apart. Zuko only escaped the Boiling Rock at all because of her and the warden is her uncle (who clearly cares for her), while he is busy both training Aang, being hunted down by Azula, and eventually needing a place to hide with his friends. He couldn't have gone after her immediately, just like he couldn't go after Iroh immediately, he was still glad to see them both when it was the right time. If he had tried, he'd likely just get captured again AND possibly make things worse for her - something we know he wouldn't want, as he literally said he didn't even try to ask her to leave the Fire Nation with him because he didn't want to risk her safety by making her a fugitive too. That's called "caring", which seems like a foreign concept to you.
7 - I literally said I don't like the comics and don't even consider them canon. YOU brought them up and LIED about Mai's political views not being made clear in them (and not being independent from Zuko despite them not being together in said comic), so I pointed out YOU were contradicting yourself. At this point, I'm wondering if you know how to read. Did you get ChatGPT to do a response for you, or did you turn to the cheap go-to response of the bully friends you tagged (No wonder someone who likes Sokkastyles can't understand the basics of how abuse, coersion and toxicity work)
8 - "I'm not lying" *proceeds to lie*. And the worst part is that I'm sure you believe your own bullshit.