when i’m crying about faking being a system because of a tiktok and then i remember that i don’t need fucking tiktokers to tell me how i should run as a system and how i should act and how i should feel.
literally in the process of being diagnosed rn too sooooo
i think you boys genuinely ruined tracking apps. some people really benefit from it. i think that this community has a serious entitlement problem for two major apps to go under.
i used to think i was an endogenic system for almost a year and when I finally realized i wasn’t i ended up posting something on tiktok saying i found out and was no longer pro endo and i decided id stay endo neutral. all the anti endos in my comments were comforting me and extremely accepting and the pro endo people immediately called me a sysmed and made weirdly rude-ish comments. yeah i decided no. I’m anti endo now. especially since pro endos are saying psychosis and adhd can cause a system.
I hate the term sysmed so much, it reeks of transphobia
Why the hell do I keep scrolling through Systok? It's so depressing. Like...Stop telling me I'm faking! Stop trying to gaslight me into thinking I'm fully traumagenic! Stop trying to say that my sysmates don't exist!
Just leave non-trauamagenic, and mixed origin, systems alone! Stop trying to invalidate our existence! Damn!
System TikTok is so fucking annoying and are very entitled, to a point where I feel the need to say this again. (Rant under the cut)
(This post is not welcoming origin discourse. I am “neutral” at best and not giving a shit at most)
Systems can not claim the word “source” nor the idea of “source memories”. Source means “to originate from”, you cannot claim a basic word as a system only experience as that is factually incorrect. Alterhumans and those who experience things like IRL/DA can ALSO experience memories that originate from something else. The term “media memories” is like be defined as “memories SOURCED from a piece of media” guess what you just made the term source memories again in the most round about way possible!
I swear systems on tiktok will get so up in arms when fictionkins and IRLs so much as breathe similarly to them. Alterhuman and IRLs also stuggle with shit that may have some overlap, that does not mean they’re trying to intrude in your damn spaces.
You cannot claim basic words as a thing only for a singular group, you can’t claim the word fuckin protector is a system only thing, you can’t claim dissociation is a system only thing, you can not claim collective (ie: a collective of students) as a system only thing. It’s frankly frustrating that I keep seeing this mindset.
TikTok Systems are the most toxic fuck ass systems known to damn man. As things like paranoia of faking is so high they’ll make the most senseless arguments about what is or isn’t a valid term for the general public to use.
I apologize for this can’t but I swear to LN’ETA that they act as just because they struggle that means they get to dictate what other groups that ALSO struggle what is and isn’t okay for them to refer to their experiences as.
Here's Ableist AspenFrostEN Trying To Pack as Much Misinformation and Ableism As She Can Into One Minute:
This sentence is, perhaps, the one and only true thing in this entire video.
Oh, please do enlighten me, Aspen!
I mean, sure, created systems are a thing. Tulpas are the main example of this and the ones that have been studied the most. But there are created systems that aren't tulpas, such as in daemonism.
Also, plenty of traumagenic DID systems have intentionally created alters too, so it's weird to make "people who believe that you can force yourself to have alters" an endogenic system thing.
ALSO, basically no tulpagenic system I know actually uses the word "alter" to describe their headmates.
While most endogenic systems are plural without a disorder, it's bizarre to use this as your definition instead of just "an endogenic systems is plural without trauma" as it's actually defined.
Founded entirely on Tumblr???
Aspen, dear...
Are you... capable of reading? Here's the paragraphs you're looking at. Notice how it says natural system predated the word endogenic?
Yes, the word endogenic was first used on Tumblr... as a replacement of "natural system" or "natural multiple" that dated back to the 90s, before you were even born!
Here's one site mentioning natural multiples in their glossary in 2003:
And here's the origin in a page dated for 1998:
You clearly know NOTHING about the plural history that you're rambling on about.
And how am I only 20 second into this???
What do you consider a medical consensus again?
The World Health Organization's ICD-11, the diagnostic handbook used around the world, explicitly states that you can experience multiple "distinct personality states," the characterizing feature of DID according to it, without having a mental disorder:
That's the World Health Organization's official handbook!!!
I'm not sure what more of a consensus you need.
But I'll add that Tulpamancy is acknowledged as a real psychological phenomenon by Dr. Samuel Veissiere, psychiatry professor at McGill University.
And Dr Eric Yarbough, Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association has stated that you can be plural without trauma or a disorder in a book reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.
And these claims are undisputed. There is no peer reviewed paper by any psychiatrist that has claimed you need trauma or a mental disorder to be plural.
Now, onto the next round of misinformation!
I recognize that page! That's DID-research! A glorified blog that convinced an entire generation that OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b were actual medical terms for disorders they could be diagnosed with!
(Spoiler: The aren't!)
Is that so?
It would probably be really inconvenient for this narrative if the creators of the theory of structural dissociation ALSO have said it may be possible people to form self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality without trauma, huh?
I mean, something like that would just completely destroy everything you're trying to sell and make you look even more like a hack who has no idea what she's talking about, wouldn't it?
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This paper is by two of the authors of the Haunted Self, which I probably shouldn't need to tell you since you're so knowledgeable about plurality, is the book that created the theory of structural dissociation of the personality.
Even the creators of the theory you're citing are saying plurality could have other causes.
Wouldn't that require you to actually know what endogenic systems actually believe? Or, you know, literally anything about plural history? Or anything at all? 🤔
Now we're back to ableist Aspen having no idea what Schizophrenia is and using it as an insult. 🙄
Aspen is not hiding her intent. Her goal is to spread hate, to come into our communities and bully us.
Aspen is a liar, a bully and an abuser.
But I hope I've also demonstrated pretty thoroughly that on top of that, she also incredibly ignorant.
She's ignorant of psychiatry. She's ignorant of plural history.
Every word out of her mouth on this topic is a lie she made up, and hopes her followers will be gullible enough to swallow, because while she may act confident in her misinformation, the fact is that she doesn't know anything about what she's talking about.
