ok guys rambling post ahead but i think i may have solved femslash as in working to understand why people view femslash the way they do.. which is one we can look at the various popular femslash shows over time and as it moves from the xenas and voyagers of the world to stuff like once upon a time and supergirl i think represents a clear shift in television marketing conception of like what shows for women even are there was in many ways a greater inherent respect by the greater public for shows like xena and voyager which were both spin offs of shows about men that this was a safe way to couch these shows and buffy also a big femslash fandom but mostly a m/f fandom due to the prevalence and popularity of arguing about what boyfriend she should pick anyways the success of these shows and more created an environment of understanding genre shows (always the most fertile ground for fandom) aimed at women were actually quite marketable which lead to an explosion in shows that were femslashable but also that due to the perceptions of these shows both by tv networks and fans at large are seen as far less respectable or serious shows this is obviously not a new phenomenon like look at the vitriolic fan response to star trek voyager for being star trek show but nominally about a woman sometimes vs like fan response to supernatural a tv show that dares to ask what if buffy and the x files had no women and yet has a massive massive fanbase its viewed as a knock against a show to try and make things about women but making it about men is a neutral or positive thing anyways a lot of these second and third generation post buffy/xena/voyager shows all heavily influenced by them and their approaches to integrating women into a genre television landscape that presumes such heroes should implicitly be men have done so to like various degrees that i think also reflect a studio that devalues such shows as well theyre just made for women so they will have less marketing or have specific narrow plot points often based around who the latest boyfriend is due to buffys stratospheric success around getting fans to argue what boyfriend she should pick and the lingering specter of xena and the fact people will implicitly assume ur nominally "feminist" marketed show about a woman and her best friend are about lesbians
this places femslash shippers on the back foot as the show already knows about u and is trying to combat it in ways honestly i think more active and specific that people do not assume any show about two men is implicitly gay but women doing things by themselves not thinking about men 24/7 is as the bechdel test wisely understands implicitly is kind of gay so tv shows work to try and get ahead of that and the assumption that television for women should focus on the boyfriends again further disenfranchises such femslash spaces but anyways femslash always finds a way this is the truth of the world and this plethora of shows about women are now also viewed by the general public as something small and lame just for women and are viewed with far less respect than bad tv aimed at men or a general audience but these shows are also given like a lesser budget less prestige etc so fandom knows all about supernatural but has no clue what lost girl is but also i think as the idea of marketing genre shows as womens shows has grown there is also this narrowing of focus on topics they like to cover as well with prescribed stories and plots assumed to be "for women" men can be universalized women cannot in general 2000s genre television became extremely cruel intense and focused almost exclusively on men in ways that were simply not spaces for femslash to thrive which i think broke the chain of connection from like voyager buffy xena era fans to the next decade of major fandom and also with this growing divide of like tv shows where femslash could thrive "womens shows" are also often implicitly interested in like family motherhood lighter topics worse plotting because theyre used as stepping stones for writers careers as they move somewhere else because the shows are given less money prestige etc
this also creates a weird chicken and egg situation in regards to fandom and fandom perception like ok people complain femslash is too soft too uwu not dark and weighty like their favorite slash and well ok a show like once upon a time interested in being a "family" show using disney properties to tell stories about breaking curses and finding your one true love and bonds of family fixing everything but also has like ten billion variously shippable women with weird tension with each other is it no wonder it has both a large femslash fandom but also that a fandom made up of people who enjoy this show would be focused on like women getting married and having a gay nuclear family with their child or whatever thats just the text of the show (not to imply thats all thats going on in swan queen fandom but i need to limit scope here lol) but people perceive this as like prescriptive that all femslash fandom is just about the sweet soft uwus that are just not very interesting but also it goes into what people are willing to forgive like limited scope and bad plotting for men but not women you know like supernatural has no women to speak of and is about men grunting about daddy issues and copying the work of far better shows (that actually featured female leads lol lmao) but people wanna wax poetic about deans daddy issues but the outlandish fantasy setting and the fact its about women means reginas insane mommy issues are not breaching containment of the fandom
like there is also obviously lingering issues of well femslash fandom due to its forever perceived closeness to actual gay community vs the understanding people have many varied relationships with slash and comfort in the pure objectification space has also necessarily lead femslash fandom to have a paranoid reflexive streak in regards to broader like feminist positions on sex and violence and lingering impact of the lesbian sex wars etc and the fact that people may view femslash as more personal or more revealing as it should be like viewed as in concert with your identity rather than opposed to your identity leads to a paranoid writing streak for sure that writing more messy or "problematic" femslash says more about you and your preferences than with slash where people can view it as shared barbie dolls to smash together and eroticize if femslash is viewed as closer to a persons own personal interests and desires so people may feel more self conscious or more judgmental of others as well as the lingering effects of the lesbian sex wars and the specter of like is this good for women something that does not get contemplated much in slash spaces in the same way
there has also interestingly been well a confluence of all of these things been a sense of erasure of femslash existing in part because slash in some ways desires to lay claim to that space of "authenticity" as people self consciously wish to discard the old associations of the fujoshi as this distant fetishizing eroticizing figure and make slash equally about well earnest engagement with gay reality which was normally seen as the realm of femslash this is multifaceted i think due to the nature of femslash being seen as say a more authentic expression of ones own sexuality this causes some lesbians and bisexual women to feel defensive and uncomfortable about not liking femslash because its seen as the most clear expression of gay desire in fandom and this specter of needing to "respect women" has lead to femslash being treated as a bit of a dead horse pulled out to beat when necessary because people must use femslash as an object upon which to work out their own discomfort with the distance between who they want to be and who they are in a fandom space this is also coupled with an erasure of femslash history and pretending that this history does not exist and that due to the aforementioned narrowing of scope of "womens shows" has lead to them being pushed out of the public eye and a sense that femslash fandom must reinvent itself and that these shows do not retain precedence in cultural memory compared to say star trek or the x files xena languishes but anyways this is furthered because of this discomfort and embarrassment around what people perceive they should be doing and valuing vs what they do and people see femslash as a like concept rather than anything real because well a lot of these shows are not popular in the public imagination due to their narrowing audience marketing tactics and that people again simply dont care about stories about women and so people will just drag out pretending that femslash is too soft too uwu doesnt exist all women are cardboard or any other thing they wish to state about it to work out their own issues that the existence of femslash brings up to them which fuels the ongoing stupid circular logic arguments and people just bringing up femslash as a rhetorical tool to prove whatever the hell they want because of the various aforementioned factors that really impact how people view the entire enterprise of making fake women kiss in your head and the baggage they attach to it which further insulates them from ever actually trying to engage earnestly with this community as just a space of enjoyment because they think it has to have all this baggage and theres a defensive sense of well if i dont like this then all the people who like femslash must be a bunch of lame boring losers who only care about women kissing in a virtuous manner or whatever new association they wish to pin to it and construct artificially high marks to clear for when any combination of women kissing will clear that for them due to said weird baggage and the various distances between slash and femslash fandoms and insularity therein.... also people just hate women <3




























