Antis fuck off with your 1984 thought police bs

@dededesupportsships

24 yo pro-shipper, inclusionist, pro MOGAI, aroace xenogender I will not heavily engage in discourse myself, any discourse inviting asks/replies will be ignored Message me for my main blog Im a victim of csa, abuse and incest DNI YOURE AN ANTI, TERF, SWERF, MAP/PEDOPHILE, SUPPORT PEDOS, IF YOURE QUEERPHOBIC, ANTI MOGAI, AN EXCLUSIONIST (ESPECIALLY IF YOU PROUDLY CALL YOURSELF AN APHOBE) etc. THIS PLACE IS _NOT_ FOR YOU

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Losing my mind over this article

So the article is telling me that "it is okay to give money to Nazi if it means reliving my childhood's bullshit"... okay, whatever you say man 😑

I don't wanna sound rude, but the site "thegamer" is not a joke or satire blog/site

Where on earth do they say that they write satire?

They say: "We publish in-depth reports, critical analysis, reactions to the news"

So this means the article IS NOT satire, and the guy who wrote it believes in what he wrote, since his article was a personal reaction to a news.

By the way, I blocked this guy. I have no patience for these kinds of people 😑

dededesupportsships

Hey, i really do see your side of the argument here, and it can be difficult to tell. However, the author himself is a comedian and writes almost exclusively joke articles.

And these are some of his articles

@dededesupportsships Thank you for pointing out this to me, because I missed it. I appreciate your comment more than the first one, where I was supposed to know who Mike Drucker is. Thank you very much 👍👍👍

dededesupportsships

Any time :) have a nice day!

Losing my mind over this article

So the article is telling me that "it is okay to give money to Nazi if it means reliving my childhood's bullshit"... okay, whatever you say man 😑

I don't wanna sound rude, but the site "thegamer" is not a joke or satire blog/site

Where on earth do they say that they write satire?

They say: "We publish in-depth reports, critical analysis, reactions to the news"

So this means the article IS NOT satire, and the guy who wrote it believes in what he wrote, since his article was a personal reaction to a news.

By the way, I blocked this guy. I have no patience for these kinds of people 😑

dededesupportsships

Hey, i really do see your side of the argument here, and it can be difficult to tell. However, the author himself is a comedian and writes almost exclusively joke articles.

And these are some of his articles

what got you into proship content?

"proship content" is not a thing. It does not exist. "Proship" is not short for "problematic shipping", it means "Pro let me ship what i want and not be harassed by psychopaths" Do not let the idiots on TikTok gaslight you into believing that.

The question you're asking is "what got you into the media that antis find objectionable enough that they're willing to send actual child pornography to people as punishment because they're delusional?" and the answer to that is I'm not really, I just have a functional sense of what's real and what's fictional, and harming real people will always matter more than what writers do with fictional people, because fictional people, by the very definition of the word "Fictional", do not exist.

What she says: I hate antis

What she really means: I don’t mind people disliking a ship for their own reason but the anti-shipping movement is driven by hate and bandwagon bullying to police what people are “allowed” to enjoy. They use fundamentally abusive and manipulative tactics on real people in the name of protecting survivors from speculative things in fiction. Antis want to act morally superior over ship wars and claim that to ship something problematic you must be a survivor. By doing this antis force survivors who may be uncomfortable with coming out with their status to out themselves and then hold them to impossible standards. Except when it does come to survivors who ship anti-deemed problematic things we are attacked, harassed, and then pushed under the bus anyway. Antis trivialize terms such as abuse, rape, and pedophilia by using them so often and out of place against a group made up of many survivors and minors– the people they claim to be protecting. They have bullied and suicide baited artists and other content creators they dislike in the name of “policing the bad ships uwu.” All antis are at fault for this, even if an anti claims not to send hate themselves they are still influencing this bad behavior because they are part of this hate group. The entire anti-shipper movement is a toxic cesspool that makes me feel sick.

just-another-dead-account

this mf spittin

grumpy-old-fandommom

OP posted Oct 2016 and the needle feels like it’s barely moved on any of this

It kind of sucks that being pro-fiction has been reduced to just "person who beats it to lolicon and ships incest" because, well, besides the fact that's a weird uncomfortable thing to assume about people, being pro-fiction is about so much more than supporting the freedom to write or read that kind of thing in fiction.

It's about supporting BDSM in fiction, "cringe" queer art/fic, "cringe" stories, badly written fanfic, rare pairs, ships that are unpopular, fanfiction that ignores canon, people being able to post their stories online without being bullied, being able to be in fandom without being bullied over everything I listed above and more, not to mention basic pro-fiction beliefs (like knowing you can read something without it corrupting you) and being against anti-fiction outside of fandom too (fuck book bans).

I don't know; a lot of pro-fiction people just want fandom to be a nice place and for people to realise that you can read something bad in fiction critically, and suggesting otherwise feels kind of ignorant.

Disgust has absolutely no ethical weight. If you are basing your ethical positions on the emotion of disgust you should stop, it is entirely unjustified and leads to a huge amount of harm.

Word for today: wisdom of repugnance

The logical fallacy that because something disgusts you it must be bad

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this is probably the funniest example of a tumblr user simply not reading the post theyre reblogging at all

blackforestnymph

Girl help the freaks are trying to make us distrust our instincts again

Many people's instincts say "gay people are gross and immoral and should be killed or shunned from society". These people are wrong and their instincts are leading them to harm others and they should not trust these instincts.

Many people's instincts say "black people are dangerous and violent and should be killed or shunned from society". These people are wrong and their instincts are leading them to harm others and they should not trust these instincts.

Many people say "women are stupider than men, they only act emotionally and lack the capability for rational thought, and as such they should be confined to the home". These people are wrong and their instincts are leading them to harm others and they should not trust these instincts.

I don't know who the "freaks" you are talking about is, but the fact is this: the "instincts" that you are indulging are exactly those that every bigot in the history of society has indulged, and you are no different. If someone is actually harming others, if they're engaging in predatory behavior, then your moral condemnation of them is justified. On the other hand, if they are doing something which does not harm anyone but which you merely find weird, then recognize that you have no grounds on which to treat them badly and to do so reflects deep and unexamined prejudice.

By all means, "trust your instincts" insofar as this means doing what you need to do to feel safe. Everyone has that right. But don't condemn others for harmless actions that merely happen to make you uncomfortable. Don't pretend that any of this is their problem. It's that simple.

headspace-hotel

i am so sick of the internalized misogyny shit i want to shove a calcified coconut down my own throat and choke

@ NT “feminists”: no i don’t have “internalized misogyny” for being sick of trying to fit in among groups of girls where wearing makeup, shopping for clothes, and doing nails are 90% of the activities and conversation topics. No, I don’t just hate women when i point out that adolescent girl social circles punish you for not being willing or able to perform feminine behaviors.

I hate makeup. I don’t want to wear it. I’m not wearing it to my wedding if I have one. No amount of “if you just got used to it!” and “oh you’ll like it when you get a little older” is going to change that fact. I hate makeup, and that does not mean I hate women. Do you think wearing makeup is something inherent to women’s nature? Makeup is inconvenient and it’s unpleasant. My mom was surprised to learn that I can feel the stuff on my face. Apparently others can’t? But I never stop being aware of it when I’m wearing it. I feel like I can’t even make facial expressions properly. So I don’t wear it. I see no point in wasting time putting it on just so I can feel more uncomfortable. I was under the impression that women do these things because they like them, not because of societal pressure. So why won’t everyone stay the fuck off my back for choosing to opt out?

I dress for my own comfort, not to look cute. It takes up energy for me to tolerate uncomfortable clothes. Shopping gives me sensory overloads. Last time I went to the mall I had a breakdown in a Forever 21. I’m pretty sure if I die and go to hell (not unlikely) it’ll be a mall. I can’t keep track of what clothes it is acceptable to like and what clothes are “cringy” to like. I don’t know what trends dictate and that makes pretending to be interested in clothing a game of social russian roulette. I’ve only ever been able to pretend. Because I honestly don’t know what makes this article of clothing cute and this similar article of clothing ugly.

And not being able to do all this shit divides you from everyone else. That’s what nobody realizes. Even if a girl does not explicitly say “you can’t hang out with us because you don’t wear makeup” she still might end up cutting you away from her, even unintentionally. Even if she doesn’t want to. When you don’t want people doing your makeup at a sleepover, you have to sit on the sidelines. When you don’t want to go shopping, you have to stay home apart from everyone else. When you can’t manage the basic vernacular of womanhood, you get cut out of the conversations. It’s not that i’m characterizing myself as better than these girls.I’m not sitting here jerking off to my own “not like the other girls” complex. I’m just sick to death of the complicated game of mimicry i am forced to play in order to be on the inside rather than the outside.

When I pull aside each individual girl, she will characterize herself as not as girly as some girls, not “really” interested in that sort of thing, the sort of girl who doesn’t wear makeup *every* day, a girl who put on only a little makeup for this event.

And yet they all uphold it. They all play the same game. They all are holding up the circle of makeup tutorials, Instagram models, malls, clothing stores, nail art, braids, hair styles, as the basic, fundamental currency of socializing. Y’all will attack me, saying that I’m characterizing girls as shallow, saying that girls would never care if I didn’t do makeup, saying I really just have internalized misogyny. And yet I lived it. All through high school, all through middle school. Crying after every social event because I just didn’t know how to be like them. It was complicated and uncomfortable and i didn’t know how to make friends when the act of acting like others left me so depleted.

Aspie girls aren’t “more masculine” so much as less capable of keeping up with the multitudinous pointless rituals involved in, apparently, being a woman. But if you point out that they are pointless rituals, you get attacked.

And doubtless all y’all will read this and instead of sympathizing, you’ll just tell me it takes time getting used to makeup, tell me that there are cute clothes that are comfy too, etc. I’ve been told these things by so many girls on and offline. That I could just get used to it if I tried, that I could “learn” to like it, that one day I’ll like it, that i’ll change.

“Women wear makeup because THEY CHOOSE TO!” say the feminists. Never mind that it took years of painful conditioning to engineer that “choice.”

I DON’T WANT to bother with it. I’m aware every day that maybe I could have learned to perform femininity if i’d tried and yet, should I have had to to feel accepted? Even if I could tolerate all this shit, I wouldn’t want to. I don’t want to have to be cute. I don’t want to have to cover up my acne scars or change the color of my lips with 5 different expensive products that feel sticky and uncomfortable on my skin. I literally do not give a single shit about these things. And I’m not broken because of that.

I’m also not nonbinary. Yes, I’ve been told that I must be nonbinary. I’m not. I just suck at being female.

headspace-hotel

This post has really blown up (well, by a relatively new blog’s standards) and i’d like to add to it.

First of all, whoa, i had no idea that so many other people related.

I also had no idea that i’m not the only one who hates the way makeup feels.

But let me continue:

When I was a little girl, I was heartened by those messages talking about how it’s okay to be tomboyish and like to play in mud and do “masculine” things and like “masculine” interests. It made me feel comforted and comfortable in myself that at least some people thought it was okay to not be Girly™.

Now I haven’t seen one of those in 3 or 4 years. Guys, the message of “girls can be tomboyish/not conform to gender stereotypes” has vanished. I haven’t seen people sharing posts about it and writing about it, except maybe in the context of lesbian women. What i have seen is piles and piles of discourse upholding a woman’s “right” to wear makeup and heels and care lots about the way they dress and shit. Posts attacking “internalized misogyny” and defending makeup-wearing, heel-donning, jewelry-loving women and telling us that we all have to love and respect and avoid criticizing women that don these traditional markers of femininity. It’s not acceptable anymore to celebrate gender-non-conforming girls for being non-conforming because that’s offensive to girls who DO conform, but it is acceptable to celebrate those that conform properly for no other reason than that they conform.

“Yas girl! You’re wearing heels! Slayyyy!”

I have to say, it’s just extremely weird to see the entire conversation around something that I was pushed and pressed and forced to be by like, society as a whole and all my “friends”, turn into “It’s okay to be this way.”

I’m sorry you feel broken for not conforming to society’s standards, did you know that conforming to society’s standards is completely okay and we will all support you in it? :)

What happened that it was JUST becoming acceptable in the mainstream for women to be unfeminine for like, a few years, and now feminists have decided that there’s such a war on lipstick and heels that they have to bolster and uphold cosmetics and clothes with every other breath they breathe? I can’t talk about how difficult it is to survive as a young girl who CAN’T “act feminine” because I get shut down. I’ve had people online straight-up tell me my experiences being ostracized by girls wholesale for just being unable to act the way a girl was supposed to DID NOT HAPPEN because girls wouldn’t do that. Because girls are all accepting and kind and love everyone for who they are and only those icky nasty men care about whether you wear makeup, apparently.

I didn’t have female friends for most of my life, and when I did, the experience ended up becoming very alienating. Every girl I knew, even the ones that didn’t care for femininity, was able to act feminine enough to be acceptable. I was not able to do this and this punished me. The girls themselves didn’t necessarily punish me. Sometimes they did! But trying to socialize with other girls hurt me. Repeatedly. I’m literally still working through self-esteem issues that came from being with my high-school friend group.

And even then. Girls aren’t angels that can never do any wrong. They’re human beings. Human. Beings. And they can be bullies. They can exclude and hurt. Stop. Just stop.

I’m angry, okay? I’m starting to think that a lot of “feminists” just did all the “right things” from the beginning and thus didn’t earn almost across-the-board bullying/sequestration/disconnect from women and girls. The exception is probably LGBT+ women, but that’s a whole other conversation that I’m not qualified to add to. The only way i can imagine a person thinking that performing femininity has no effect on whether women and girls include you and your ability to form relationships with girls in general and that you can just be best friends with any feminine woman regardless of how much you follow the Rules is that they’ve done enough™ to fit in their entire lives and have never stepped over the lines.

Kids KNOW when there’s something different about you and they will tear you to pieces. That is not a uniquely male phenomenon. Bullying is not something that only boys do. This means that girls can and do work to ostracize girls who don’t conform or can’t. Even girls who aren’t assholes and are accepting and good people uphold the standards and can unconsciously help reinforce them. The system, and crueler girls, don’t let them subvert. Yet accusations of “internalized misogyny” are always leveled at girls who don’t conform to their gender, not girls who conform but are actually intentionally cruel to other girls.

What could be more clearly misogynistic than ostracizing a girl for not being feminine? But how many feminists have I seen talking about how girls who are bullies to other girls have internalized misogyny? You wanna guess?

The takeaway is that criticizing stereotypical femininity in a girl is hating women, but criticizing the lack thereof in a girl is not hating women. I guess.

I mean. I think almost every girl was at some point bullied by another girl. But not being able to fit in with the standards of femininity as a whole leads to being largely disconnected from girls as a category. Femininity becomes the ultimate bully. For me, it WAS the ultimate bully.

I hate knowing that young girls, autistic girls especially, are going to grow up knowing it’s evil to criticize how they feel forced to perform femininity. I hate knowing their experiences being bullied are going to be erased by feminists because the perpetrators were girls. I hate knowing they’re going to feel wrong for not wanting to try (and try, and try, and try) “feminine” things like makeup. I hate knowing that they’ll have to navigate expressing their experiences of disconnect without stepping on the fucking land mine of appearing to be participating in “girl hate” or appearing to call themselves “not like other girls.” I hate that these girls will be accused of hating women when they find boys easier to get along with out of pure exhaustion. I hate that feminism is actively working to make the experience of being female more and more inaccessible for autistic girls.

What words are these girls going to have for their experiences failing to win the complicated, overwhelming game that is femininity? They can’t say that they’re not like other girls, because girls are all the same and sisters on the inside :)))))) and they can’t talk about the deep wounds left by the entire culture of girls because girls wouldn’t do that :))))

And you just have internalized misogyny :))))))))

This ain’t just an ND thing by any means. While ND women get hit hardest with it, I’ve seen “internalised misogyny”/”INLOG syndrome” also get slapped on -

Minority race/religion girls talking about racism by majority race/religion women (because womanhood varies from culture to culture and what looks “feminine” in one culture is seen as “masculine” in another)

Poor girls talking about classism from rich women (again, because “rich womanhood” is seen as the only womanhood)

WLW and trans women talking about homophobia/transphobia by straight/cis women (see TERFs and the whole notion that WLW are “basically male” because they’re attracted to women)

Women with physical disabilities or deformities talking about discrimination by able-bodied/conventionally attractive women

Victims of body-shaming, especially when they were kids. Girls who got puberty too early or too late. Fat girls, skinny girls, etc. Anyone who isn’t B-Cup, 130 lbs, small butt, hourglass body-type really.

Women who have different lifestyles/careers/hobbies/interests/opinions/political views in GENERAL, no matter how small or petty, or just simply aren’t cookie-cutter stereotypical.

Next time you see an “internalised misogyny”/”girl power uwu” post, look at who is making it. 90% of the time, it’s usually done by women who come from places of extreme privilege to the point where the only bigotry they face is their gender. So if other girls talk about their grievances, they think it means “hating women.”

They will never know what it’s like to feel like “not a normal/real girl”, because they ALREADY ARE the perfect, normal, cookie-cutter kind of girl and so other girls never made them feel unwelcome.

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u forgot the best part

This came across my feed a little bit ago so I'm glad I finally have context for it

i don’t know if this is a call-out post but it had to be made, lol

so, going straight to the point, twelve forever’s creator julia vickerman made a post about stalking a 14 old boy once. i didn’t really know how to adress this because the post came to my attention a very good while ago through a friend of mine, and i never really… talked about it, cuz i didn’t know how to…? and i still don’t, but since twelve forever premiered i just couldn’t get this out of my head :’D

i’m not very fond of cancel culture and all of that, but i think we should… (not cancel her but) at least… take a look at this? nobody ever acknowleged this weird post, and it kind of bothers me… i know it’s a Very old post, and i know it can be a joke that hasn’t aged well, but it sure doesn’t sound like one. it’s predatory and weird. –and if it is a joke, it’s just very distasteful.

if vickerman deletes the post, here’s a google doc with the post screenshoted, and the post on wayback machine as well.

this is very unlikely to happen, but i think that saying this is better than nothing - if you had some uncomfortable encounter with julia vickerman while being a minor (or not, idk), you can reach out.

and thats all folks ….?!?

she. literally tagged it as “pedophile”. she was 26 when she made that post. she wasn’t being weird she literally described tactics pedophiles use and laments “but oh if his mother just wasn’t there”. like, I agree cancel culture occasionally goes too far but this is literally the hardest evidence you could possibly have. A personal post directly from her, from when she was a full grown adult, describing herself preying on a child, WHERE SHE ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT SHES DOING IS PEDOPHILIA.

fuck her. fuck twelve forever. yeah, this isn’t a situation where she should be canceled.

because it’s a situation where she should be thrown in fucking prison

theassholeantiarchive2-0

Good news, I guess the creator was fried pre production of the show but still yikes.

grumpy-old-fandommom

Absolutely she deserves to be jailed for it.

And the confusion and hesitation on the part of OP (mostly to give them the benefit of the doubt since 99.999999 percent of all accusations here are usually aimed at a VLD fan going about their business) to call it what it is because paedophilia has been turned into such a buzzword on this site is the reason I keep screaming at antis to stop using this word to refer to everyone who ships things you don’t enjoy.

At any rate, I’m still not touching her show or risking any money going into her pocket, especially when conviction for women predators are depressingly dimmer than they are for men.

#tw pedophilia #i feel like im going to throw the fuck up this is beyond disgusting

ah, yes, “aged up children”, or as they’re more commonly known, adults

Do y’think that if I try to claim to the government that they can’t tax me because I’m not an adult, I’m just an “aged up child” it will work? Because, according to antis, reality and fiction are the same thing after all.

(Alternately–if we apply this logic in the extreme, wouldnt all adult characters be “aged up children”, therefore there’s no such thing as an adult character, they’re all just children being protrayed as older therefore there’s no such thing as adult/minor ships?)

Yeah so tell me again how shit like this qualifies for “”“LGBTQA Activism”””” or “””Satire””” when y’all are literally REPLICATING right wingers and anti SJ 4channers’ jokes by making the “piss/pisself pronouns “ jokes and pushing the “SJWs are going to BRAINWASH our kids into believing those tumblr gays’ ideologies so kick all the lgbtqa teachers out of schools!!!” agenda lmfao,

Only recently a female teacher was FIRED from her job bc the parents of the students threw a tantrum of her trying to “brainwash” their kids and “forcing a sexuality on them” when all she did was mention/talk about her wife in class and its STILL quite common for lgbtqa people to get denied jobs as a teacher or get fired when the school staff finds out that they are queer but PLEASE act like a situation even remotely likely as in OP’s “””satire””” is going to occur in only the next SEVEN years .I HAVE to laugh .

Just say that you hate lgbtqa people who dont conform to your bootlicking agenda of pleasing the cis straights and go.No need to make 656 version of the same post lmfao

Also dont fucking reply to this post with “iTs a JoCkE uwu” i know and thats why im saying that yall need to find better jokes which arent copypasted from piers morgan’s twitter lmfao

I also just noticed that this person is also making fun of the “We are here and we are queer” slogan which is …fucking disgusting lmfao. Like even if you believe that queer is a slur and whatever you HAVE to recognize that this slogan was chanted and carried by lgbtqa activists for a large part of the history to protest against the oppressive systems and violence imposed on them and to demand respect and acknowledgement from cis/straight people and the governments who kept abusing them and was also quite popular during the AIDS crisis bc of organizations like “Queer nation”( which was founded by members of AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power )

How much of a bigot do you have to be to just take a dump on the collective struggles of thousands of lgbtqa people and be an ahistorical fuck all bc of your petty internet discourse??

Anyways if you care about lgbtqa people and history id recommend that you dont follow or reblog from people like OP there are much better lgbtqa people on this website to follow

Remember when they said that aces were homophobic because something something AIDS crisis?

Because I do. Literally every time I see one of these fuckers mocking the slogan and terminology and slogans of an Aids-crisis direct action group.

deepspacepirate

remember when this website was okay with kink and there would be bdsm education posts with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of notes? nowadays it’s just “vanilla sex is the only correct way to have sex and if you think otherwise you’re a nasty kweer”

androgynousblackbox

Oh, we are past that too already. Now is “actually have sex is bad, and having sexual thoughts is worst, and if you write sexual fantasies that is borderline abusive and you should be jail for that.”

androgynousblackbox

Brief notes about how freak has been used in history

Despite popular belief here on tumblr, “freak” as an insult doesn’t mean “sexually deviant weirdo that is creepy and probably harm someone very soon”. You might personally think that is what it mean and use it with that connotation in mind. It’s even possible that your entire group of friend are convinced that is what it means. You think on a freak and you imagine someone that doesn’t fit on civilized society with the rest of your civilized friends. But you know, the people who didn’t fit in on society aren’t the same you are thinking off now. Let’s not even mention kinkster. Before they were any close to being a identifiable group, freaks were for the most part: -Disabled people. For example, those with microcephaly, a condition linked to intellectual disabilities and characterized by a very small, pointed head and small overall structure, were considered or characterized as “missing links” or as atavistic specimens of an extinct race. Hypopituitary dwarfs who tend to be well proportioned were advertised as lofty. Achondroplastic dwarfs, whose head and limbs tend to be out of proportion to their trunks, were characterized as exotic mode. Those who were armless, legless, or limbless were also characterized in the exotic mode as animal-people, such as “The Snake-Man”, and “The Seal man” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak_show -POC/Black people. The showmen and promoters exhibited all types of freaks. People who appeared non-white or who had a disability were often exhibited as unknown races and cultures. These “unknown” races and disabled whites were advertised as being undiscovered humans to attract viewers. -Intersex people. Scholars believe that freak shows contributed significantly to the way American culture views nonconforming bodies. Freak shows were a space for the general public to scrutinize bodies different from their own, from dark-skinned people, to victims of war and diseases, to ambiguously sexed bodies. People felt that paying to view these “freaks” gave them permission to compare themselves favorably to the freaks -Fat people. Other acts included fleas, fat ladies, giants, dwarves and retired white seamen, painted black and speaking in an invented language, billed “savage Zulus”. -Trans people. Slurs are another form of transphobia. Many transphobic people may use derogatory terms instead of “transgender” or “trans woman/man”. Slurs such as “tranny”, “freak”, “science experiment”, “he-she”, “shim”, and “trans identifying (male/female)” are used as slurs for trans people in general. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Transphobia So the next time you feel like just slapping that word onto someone, consider the implications of the words you are using and who could be agreeing with it, because you both might not be thinking the same thing.

anti-anti-a-la-bi-bi

Antis are making minors feel sorry for having any kind of sexual desire and it makes me so sad.

Like, with puberty comes sexuality as well?

deterrmination-deactivated20190

Antis are making minors feel guilty about having crushes, wanting to date people, finding someone their age cute, etc. Antis are making it so that young people think that wanting to have a relationship=them being pedophiles or being ok with fucked up shit bc antis have skewed the definitions of words so much that now we have young teens who think that dating someone w/ a 1-2 year age gap is abusive and pedophilic.

Antis can fuck right off with the idea that they’re helping minors or protecting minorities or whatever the fuck they claim, bc not only does this hurt kids and make it harder for them to explore their sexualities, but it also hurts queer kids, trans kids, POC kids, neurodivergent kids. It hurts so many minors and frankly it disgusts me that we’ve gotten to this point.

khrysoprase-deactivated20190903

Antis telling queer kids that being attracted to NB people, trans people, and people of the same gender is ‘fetishization’ and bad is going to do a lot of damage to these kids. The idea that if you’re attracted to someone you’re a filthy sex-obssessed monster who views them as a fetish object is rampant in the anti community, and it infects people who are in the movement until they’re actively hating themselves just for having a crush on someone. You’re bad for liking that NB person, and that trans person, and that gay person, and, and, and. There’s never a limit on how gender can be turned into an Off Limits sign.

Antis’ also promote a hostility to interracial dating that I, as a mixed man, find exhausting. You know that friend of mine who was an anti that I was utterly smitten with? I’ve referenced her in other posts? She was into me, too. We had this discussion. But I’m mixed so dating me is fetishization of mixed people. Complimenting me on my eyes was fetishizing my white traits. Liking my middle name was exoticising me. Everything about interacting with someone of another race was somehow the same as thinking of them as an object to fuck, and she couldn’t find a way to be woke enough to be alright with being attracted to me, her nerdy friend. As if that’s somehow right up there with murder in terms of depravity.

But this extends to media, and keeping up with it was grating. You’re attracted to that anime character? Then you’re a filthy, dirty pervert who doesn’t view Asian people as people. You like that dude in that band? Then you’re contributing to the culture of valuing black entertainers as commodities and don’t view black men as people, you filthy fetishizer. You had a crush on Aladdin as a kid? That’s anti-Arab, somehow, you fetish-fueled nasty. You can only be attracted to your own race or else you’re an awful, irredeemable human being devoid of a soul who is driven solely by sex.

And this wokeness, I can’t help but notice, leaves kids feeling like garbage while also leaving them with virtually no dating options, rendering them isolated in many ways.

Isolation is a cult tactic.

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Isolation is a cult tactic.

starkravingspiders

Antis are really really good at isolating disabled people also. If you are disabled and your spouse is not? They claim it’s problematic and your spouse is there for fetishishes.

With my other blog which was lost in the tumblr purges there was a big deal with antis saying writing disabled characters was being a fetishizer and that able bodied people could not ever find disabled people attractive without it being a fetish.

Antis don’t see the people they are trying to ‘protect’ as human if you want to get into the dirt of the matter. They don’t see us as human and we are just an idea and that is why they speak over us and take away our community and our support system. Because they are the ones fetishizing us. They have white savior syndrome in a big way.

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Pretty much

The movement is very American as well, and from what I read, it’s pretty puritanistic?

It definitely has it’s roots in american christian conservatism. I’ve pointed it out before but antis aruguments are nearly identical to the Christian watchdog group, Warriors for Innocence. And I’m not entirely convinced it’s by accident. Fandom has always been dogged by puritanical groups, the aforementioned Warriors for Innocence, Focus on the Family, or Fight the New Drug (an anti-porn group funded by Mormons), convinced that we’re all evil satanists turning their precious “good Christian boys and girls into dirty, sinful homosexuals” with the power of cartoon porn.

Seriously, take a wander though Fight the New Drug’s website and you’ll find all kinds of articles that wouldn’t be out of place as some anti’s new hot take, for example, their article on hentai.

Now, you might notice something about Fight the New Drug. Unlike Warriors for Innocence, it doesn’t look or sound like religious propaganda. And that’s the point. That post for WfI looks ridiculous with it’s fire and brimstone, nobody would take that seriously. But FTND on the other hand…

They know if they come at you with hellfire and God’s wrath you’re gonna run the other way. But dress up as science and facts. Well, now they’ve got your attention. If you didn’t know they were entirely run and funded by extreme Mormons, and their “studies” were also run and funded by extreme Mormons you might have taken them seriously.

And they’re doing the same thing here. They’re not stupid, if they tell people that they shouldn’t be shipping x ship because it’s sinful and they’re going to go to hell nobody’s gonna listen. But if you dress it up in liberal language, you can smuggle in your rhetoric disguised as social justice.

Many LGBTQ+ in fandom got their first exposure to such things through BL (yaoi), and slash media. So if you’re a conservative Christian who doesn’t want any good Christian boys and girls to be exposed to LGBTQ+ media (and possible realize they aren’t as straight or cis as they thought) you’d say something like “If you’re not a gay man, don’t look at yaoi or you’re a fetishizer.”

If you’re a conservative who doesn’t want kids to have, learn or even think about sex then just convince them that everything is either fetishization or pedophilia. You can’t look at porn it’s harmful and inherently coercive. All kink is abusive and any fiction involving it normalizes it. Sex education is grooming. You can’t date anyone that’s older, younger, shorter, taller, a different gender or race than you, otherwise it’s pedophilia, abusive, or fetishization. Anyone who says otherwise is a pedophile, abuser, or an apologist and you should never ever listen to them. In fact, everyone who isn’t also an anti is probably a pedophile, abuser and an apologist too. Best to block everyone and only stay here, where it’s safe and no one will tell you different.

Anyway tldr; puritanical Christian groups are smuggling in their rhetoric deguised as social justice and antis are eating it up

anti-anti-a-la-bi-bi

Aha

That is… Very different than in the Netherlands :/

Please read this for even more context on why antis are terrible and usually tend to endanger children when they claim to be trying to protect them.

avoiceisgraceandgreed

@siryouarebeingmocked

siryouarebeingmocked

Antis make arguments which sound an awful lot like things many social justice advocates say, and often use socjus language and terms and concepts, but somehow it’s really the fault of Christian conservatives?

Maybe it would be easier to just admit there are censorious, closed-minded bigots on the left and some of them are in fandom? In fact, I know at least one person in this thread is one of those people, based on my previous interactions with them.

Not to mention the way so many socjus folks keep complaining about “sexualized” female characters - and only female characters, and claiming depictions of certain content is harmful to women, somehow.

cookingwithroxy

I think the meta idea is that kids come from conservative places and conservative standards, join a very liberal place, and don’t check any pre-existing biases.

So it’s liberal puritanism, from people who may have gotten their puritanism from their backgrounds. Rather like how Radfems tend to quote Tracon’s these days, because at that place on the horseshoe they have more in common with their opposing number than they do with anyone sane. They keep the talking points of a people they’d otherwise be enemies with, because those talking points fit their agenda.

And, of course, there is the theory that some people might just be actual literal shills for the religious groups pushing these agendas, essentially playing the ‘Hey fellow kids, how do you like this hot take on ‘Anime Tiddies’’ just as some of them are actual child molesters who are using the ‘trust me, I’m against pedophiles!’ position to isolate kids.

da-boy-o-kultur

This is something I believe too. The conservative kids abandoned the faith but the mentality and thought process’ ingrained in them are still there, they just replaced Faith with whatever ideology they find neat at the moment.

frontdoorgroundfloor

dead serious reminder for young people and young fans:

the more adults you interact with in social or professional settings as a young person, the more examples you will have of healthy peer relationships that are based on commonalities besides age.

also, when you have a good idea of what a healthy, cross-generational friendship looks like, it’s much easier to spot a predatory one, and the more adult friends you have, the more people you’ll have to turn to for help and advice if someone of any age is acting in a predatory, abusive, or ignorant manner.

people who are targeting younger areas of fandom to push the idea that adults are inherently untrustworthy are, themselves, attempting to isolate young people from potential sources of help and support.

please be mindful of this in your interactions with people of all ages.

#isolation policies almost never work because predators are adept at charming their way in as ‘exceptions’

#a robust and diverse system of support makes that strategy useless

neurodivergent-karen

A lot of ya’ll on this website be like:

theliterarywolf

The fact that 65% of the responses in the notes are ‘Well, you deserve it because you read problematic fanfiction’ is just proving OP’s point…

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The worst part is today’s bullies have figured out how to mask their bullying under the guise of being heroes, because the people they bully are “problematic” or part of some group that has unearned privileges and these things in their minds deserve unrelenting scorn.

“No I’m not shoving a nerd into a locker, see, he’s a straight white cis male who is probably a closet misogynist so I am in fact drinking my Respect Women Juice by tormenting him,”

“Oh I’m not picking on her because she’s weird I pulled up some problematic opinions she had 3 years ago and just warning people so they don’t hurt themselves,”

So basically bullies just got Even Worse if that was possible.

tag pedophilia gifs please. i dont want to see grown ass man kissing 5 year old

…. that’s Tony’s child oh my god

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This site is a mistake.

parent: *kisses their child goodnight on the forehead*

tumblr purity brigade:

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ANON SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW THATS HIS DAUGHTER BAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS HIS LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD CHILD IM WHEEZING

How dare parents show platonic/pure love to their kid

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