Hey do yâall remember when Boeing fucking killed a guy last year. And we all said âhuh I guess Boeing fucking killed a guyâ and then went on with our lives. And everybody knew that Boeing had fully just fucking executed a guy and nothing came of it. Like there was no police investigation no justice no nothing. Like literally EVERYBODY knew that Boeing had full on murdered a guy to silence him and there wasnât any consequences for them. Kinda crazy.
and there was even less talk when openai did the exact same thing more recently
So for those who are, very understandably uninitiated on this story:
On 23 October last year (2024) the New York Times published an interview with former OpenAI researcher Suchir Balaji who worked on organising and gathering data for OpenAI until 2022 when he begun thinking about the morality of it. He eventually came to the conclusion that what OpenAI is doing blatantly violates copyright law and decided to leave the company altogether in August 2024.
After he came out with this accusation he was set to appear in court to testify against OpenAIâs data-gathering practices, something which had the potential of being a complete disaster for the company and the generative AI industry as a whole.
That was until 26 November, just days before he was due to appear in court, when he suddenly and mysteriously was found dead inside his own apartment. Investigators concluded that the death was self-inflicted, something which his family has disputed.
There was also âsign of struggle in the bathroom and looks like someone hit him in the bathroom based on blood spotsâ, and his apartment showed signs of having been ransacked for evidence: âThe pin drive is missing. His computer was messed up.â.
Overall it feels pretty clear-cut what happened, that is to say that OpenAI had him killed because he was a legitimate threat to their business, indicating that they are fully aware that the way theyâre gathering data is completely illegal.
Sources:
Alys Davies, 14.12.2024, OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment. BBC News
Barney Davis, 16.1.2025, Suchir Balajiâs family demand outside investigation into OpenAI whistleblowerâs death. The Independent
Cade Metz, 23.11.2024, Former OpenAI Researcher Says the Company Broke Copyright Law. The New York Times
im sorry what?
Oh for fucks sake do tumblr idiots really believe that corporations just have hitmen teams for whistleblowers that somehow no one has caught. Even putting aside that they literally died after giving whistleblower testimony whereas it would have made more sense to kill whistleblowers who hadnât testified yet, even putting aside that this means they would have to pay off the coroners who concluded these deaths were suicides and that also has not been proven, there is genuinely no evidence that the companies were involved in their deaths, people just saw that they died and that they were whistleblowers and assumed they had to be connected together. This is conspiracy theory bullshit. Itâs not ok when the right does it and itâs not ok when the left dies it either
I thought OP had put a pretty good case together here. But I also have seen how blatantly and wholly wrong things can turn out to be, even when they sounded airtight before I learned anything.
So I looked at "reblogs with comments" before deciding.
And then this counterargument sounded solid.
And then I was like, wait. Okay, "they literally died after giving whistleblower testimony" instead of before. But could there have been further testimony they were going to give, or--
So I scrolled back up. And it explicitly says this guy died "just days before he was due to appear in court" to testify against OpenAI.
And: if someone did kill this guy to prevent him from testifying, it doesn't necessarily mean that OpenAI has a hitman team for whistleblowers. Or that that's normal corporate practice that somehow no one has caught.
It could mean that one person he worked with felt like some aspect of his testimony put them at risk.
It could have been a coworker or higher-up who was at risk of losing their job. Either because of something that would be in this guy's testimony, or because his testimony was likely to get their department shut down.
It could have even been something incredibly irrelevant. Maybe some story in the testimony was likely to end up with, "The way I figured that out was, my coworker was cheating on his wife with someone in this other department, and--"
Maybe they were already under extreme financial/personal stress, and it seemed like a good idea to knock this guy out and fuck up anything that might hold evidence. And they didn't realize that there's a really fine line between "hit someone hard enough to knock them out" and "hit hard enough to kill."
In fact, I'm just gonna see if there's any news more recent than this thread....
Skeptics believe a whistleblower was murdered. New revelations call their claims into question.
There was an investigation. His death was ruled a suicide. His mom insisted that his pen drive was missing, that his apartment had been ransacked, and that his computer had been on for three days.
(I'm not sure how you can tell how long a computer has been on. Or whether she just couldn't find his pen drive. Or whether he'd ransacked his own apartment, trying to find his pen drive.)
The city investigated and ruled that it was a suicide.
She says she paid for a second, private autopsy. And that the second autopsy said he had so much GHB in his system, he couldn't possibly have shot himself.
But she's also said that he was shot at an angle that shows somebody else had to have shot him.
And she's also said that when his attacker failed to kill him by hitting him, they electrocuted him.
According to the San Francisco Standard:
Interviews with Balajiâs mother and nearly two dozen friends, coworkers, and people who have investigated the case, along with reams of new documents and footage obtained exclusively by The Standard, show that what Ramarao and other skeptics have characterized as proof of foul play is not what it seems.
Claims that there were obvious signs of a struggle and blood throughout the apartment are not supported by police body-camera footage.
Claims that a secondary autopsy found definitive evidence of murder are not reflected in documents provided by Balajiâs family.
...Ramarao has declined to share a copy of that autopsy; however, Joe Goethals, the familyâs former attorney, told The Standard in January 2025 that he âwould not characterize it as conclusively proving murder.â
...Another report, by a Michigan firearms consultant, claimed that a lack of soot on Balajiâs forehead meant he was shot from at least two feet away. (The official autopsy said soot âmay be obscured by changes of postmortem decomposition.â) A third report, by an Alabama toxicologist, concluded that Balaji âmore likely than notâ took the drug GHB before his death, which Ramarao has interpreted to mean he was sedated by an attacker. (The San Francisco medical examiner said the low levels of the drug in his system were likely due to a natural decomposition process; the Alabama toxicologist acknowledged that could also be the case.)
There's a lot more in that article, linked above.
The bottom line is: there seems to be absolutely zero evidence that he was killed by an attacker, much less one from OpenAI.
So let's look at Boeing.
The comments on here are about evenly scattered between "I KNOW RIGHT" and "They did what?" I didn't know about any of this, either.
But googling "Did Boeing kill whistleblowers" immediately turns up this NPR story that opens with:
The family of John Barnett, the Boeing whistleblower who died a year ago as he pursued a lawsuit against his former employer, is suing the airplane maker, saying that Barnett's "PTSD, depression, anxiety, and panic attacks, all caused by Boeing's wrongful conduct, caused him to take his own life."
It says that Barnett was "near the end of several days of depositions in his whistleblower retaliation case against Boeing."
So, he HAD already finished all the whistle-blowing. And he had experienced retaliation from Boeing.
And in fact,
High-profile safety issues with Boeing's planes triggered a congressional hearing last June, where then-Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun acknowledged that Boeing employees have been fired for retaliating against whistleblowers.
But literally no one involved - not this guy, not his family, no one - implies that Boeing employees (or the company itself) retailed by killing them.
That was in March. In May, another Boeing whistleblower, Joshua Dean, died.
Of a MRSA infection.
According to his mom, he got sick and had trouble breathing. He went to the hospital where he tested positive for both influenza B and MRSA. They had to intubate him, which led (as it frequently does) to him also developing pneumonia. And he died.
He too had said Boeing retaliated against him: by firing him for whistleblowing.
Other whistleblowers, including Barnett, said they were retaliated against by being reassigned to a worse position; being threatened with firing; being given bad performance reviews; and being prevented from even documenting anything.
And there actually was a police investigation into Barnett's death. They investigated for more than two months, ruled it a suicide, and released the suicide note they had found on the passenger seat in the car where he had killed himself.
That's it. That's literally the entire story.
Two Boeing whistleblowers died, long after finishing their whistle-blowing. Boeing didn't kill them. They are survived by many more.




















