Internet search engine DuckDuckGo launched an update recently that removed most search filters from the search engine.
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Martin Brinkmann Apr 24, 2023 Updated âą Apr 25, 2023
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Internet search engine DuckDuckGo launched an update recently that removed most search filters, also called operators, from the search engine. Removed search operators include "" to search for exact terms, the "-" and "+" operators to reduce or increase the weight of search terms, and filetype:type, which allowed users to search for specific filetypes using search.
Users of the search engine will notice that DuckDuckGo ignores all disabled filters now, even when specified by the user.
Update: DuckDuckGo has updated the Help page to reflect that search syntax filters are still available. The company admitted, however, that they are experiencing some issues with filters, and that they may not work all the time currently because of that. End
Search operators allow users to add rules to their searches to include or exclude results. Basic search operators include minus to limit results that contain the phrase that is specified, or the site operator to only return results from the specified domain.
DuckDuckGo, like many other search engines, supported several search operators that its users could add to their search queries directly.
duckduckgo search filters
When used, DuckDuckgo displayed information about the used filter or filters at the top of the organic search results (below ads).
Now, with the update in place, it appears that only the -site operator remains the only search operator supported by the search engine. In other words, the following operators appear to have been disabled on the search engine:
Term1 Term1, example cats dogs -- showed results about cats and dogs.
"Term1 Term2", example "cats and dogs" -- showed results for the exact term cats and dogs, displayed related results if no exact matches were found.
Term1 -Term2, example cats -dogs -- showed results for cats and tried to exclude results which also contained reference to dogs.
Term1 +Term2, example cats +dogs -- prioritized results with dogs in the results.
Term1 filetype:pdf, exsample cats filetype:pdf, showed PDF documents about cats.
intitle:Term1, example intitle:dogs -- returned websites that had the term dogs in the page title.
inurl:Term1, example inurl:cats -- returned websites that had the term cats in the page URL.
The only search filter that DuckDuckgo still supports is the site filter. It can be used to limit results to a specific site, or to exclude a specific site from the results.
site:ghacks.net Firefox, returns Firefox results from Ghacks.
-site:ghacks.net Firefox, returns Firefox results, but removes any results from Ghacks from the results listing. In other words, the specified URL is filtered from the results.
DuckDuckgo updated its search syntax support website to reflect the change. It lists only the site operator on it and no other operator anymore. Code on the search engine's GitHub project page confirms the change as well.
DuckDuckGo is not the only search provider that is removing or reducing the impact of search filters. Google Search users, for instance, may have noticed that Google may not honor search filters all the time, especially when the "" exact search term filter is being used.
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David R said on April 13, 2024 at 6:06 pm
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If you were allowed to narrow your search to find only what you were looking for, in many cases that would allow you to avoid ads as well, either intentionally or by accident. The reason you canât successfully search for any specific term is this: to make certain that ads will always get through, excluding unwanted results from searches has been made impossible. I think itâs been 25 years or more since you could really expect to find what you were looking for online; it started slowly but has become much worse.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:10 pm
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Time to stop using DDG, if for some reason you had still been willing to do that after knowing that you are literally only getting Google results even though Google has severely censored all search results for nearly a decade now.
Anonymous said on April 26, 2023 at 2:49 am
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To call ddg a âsearch engineâ is extreme. It is nothing more than a Bing scrapper site. Seriously â compare results â they are vanilla unvarnished Bing.
Raymond Shaw said on April 25, 2023 at 1:44 am
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@ David:
> I do granular searches. Now thereâs no reason to use DuckDuckGo.
Sure there is, especially for Tor users.
Visit this if you have javascript entirely disabled (requires Tor):
As you can see, the â/htmlâ part is mandatory if you wish to search w/ Tor w/ javascript PROPERLY DISABLED. Most other search engines do not let you search if you have javascript disabled.
Itâs a Tor .onion hidden service and it works better than the other search engines who are cowards and wonât host their own Tor .onion service.
redditreposter said on April 24, 2023 at 10:02 pm
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Hi, hope we can clear this up. Search Syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo Private Search and weâve updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work. In fact, we recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates
Last month we temporarily updated our DuckDuckGo Search Syntax help page because we had been getting complaints from some users that they were not working consistently and wanted to get to the bottom of it, but we never actually deactivated the features themselves.
Instead of removing that information from the help page, even temporarily, we should have said we know users are having problems and weâre working to address them. Thatâs what the help page says now and we hope to provide an update soon.
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redditreposterer said on April 24, 2023 at 8:54 pm
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Hi, hope we can clear this up. Search Syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo Private Search and weâve updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work. In fact, we recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates
Last month we temporarily updated our DuckDuckGo Search Syntax help page because we had been getting complaints from some users that they were not working consistently and wanted to get to the bottom of it, but we never actually deactivated the features themselves.
Instead of removing that information from the help page, even temporarily, we should have said we know users are having problems and weâre working to address them. Thatâs what the help page says now and we hope to provide an update soon.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:53 pm
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Then why has DuckDuckGo, since the beginning of itâs existence,
1) always without exception, includes webpages with the word âhouseâ bolded in the snippet, each and every time I searched for
gingerbread -house
2) always without exception, included many results, with words bolded in their âsnippetsâ, but with one or more words in between or with words in incorrect order, included something like âsome humans like to eat beef for dinnerâ, each and every time I search for
âhuman beefâ
3) very very frequently, when I search for âcats eat dinnerâ, will see many results for âcat eating dinnerâ, regardless of the fact that neither âcatâ nor âeatingâ was a word I searched for, and I have also never added the permission to include either âcatâ or âeatingâ via a question asking whether these words are acceptable, and I also have not included any asterisks in my search, and I have often EVEN USED QUOTATION MARKS SPECIFICALLY TO HELP ENSURE THAT I WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS âCAT EATING DINNERâ BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FUCK I SEARCHED FORâŠ
âŠ..but yet LITERALLY NEVER ONCE has DuckDuckGo returned webpages which say âcat eats dinnerâ -tuna, in that order, in each and every result, and also ensuring that zero webpages which contain the word âtunaâ are displayed, after I searched for âcats eat dinnerâ in quotation marks.
âŠ.Clearly, DDG most definitely does NOT âcontinueâ to use the functionality of operators, and does NOT allow users to make valid, legitimate searches on itâs search engine, because it is obviously impossible to âcontinueâ doing something that you have never done in the first place.
SanctimoniousApe said on April 24, 2023 at 8:42 pm
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Well, itâs about time for the cycle to start anew â seems every decade-ish thereâs a hot new kid on the block. This time around whoever it winds up being wonât even have to come to with something new to encourage us to come to them â just do what the big guys *used* to do. Truly a case of âwhatâs old is new again.â
David said on April 24, 2023 at 7:52 pm
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I do granular searches. Now thereâs no reason to use DuckDuckGo.
Mirando said on April 24, 2023 at 6:05 pm
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Yes, it seems there are other changes which are not mentionned behind the scenes.
For most request, it looks like I get half of the result I got before, around ~75 by query, while it used to be more like ~150 a few days ago.
Big regression if you ask me, and this filters removal just makes no sense.
Unfortunately, I have no alternative right now, so I suppose I will continue to use DDG for most searches, with inferior results than earlier.
For advanced searches, I will have to go back to big G.
Bad times.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:41 pm
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Google removed the ability to complete any âadvanced searchâ in approximately 2011.
For all searches, you can use Mojeek.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 5:13 pm
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There are some large changes happening in search-engine land. Just found out old timer Gigablast is gone too.
John G. said on April 24, 2023 at 4:00 pm
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The crude truth is that Google is the best search engine ever done.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:38 pm
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âŠ.Yes, it was; literally everyone on Earth knows that. And then, several years later, it quickly became a terrible search engine, and a scant few years after that, because the worst thing ever done due to horrifying abuses of the entire population. And then, less then a decade after that, also decided to make the search engine even worse then the already-worst, by also preventing the ability to get results after inputting some words and/or operaters that were intended to make a web search. Your comment is extremely irrelevant to this article or post, because this article or post was posted in 2023. This article or post is not actually from 2004.
Somebody_Else said on May 1, 2023 at 7:23 pm
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That could have been argued years ago, but since Google fâd up and wiped out those capabilities itâs been annoying trash every since.
Well, worse than annoying trash since itâs been feeding me other searches because it thinks itâs users are to stupid to search for what we want instead of what it thinks is popular.
basingstoke said on April 25, 2023 at 4:25 pm
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literally had Yandex give me better results sometimes. Google, like Microsoft, are resting on their laurels and have long ago stopped caring about improving things.
Sure, Google is good, but was it better 5-10 years ago? Yes much better. Sure, Windows is good, but was it better 5-10 years ago? Yes much better. Sad trend, we need innovation.
John G. said on April 25, 2023 at 8:07 pm
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I didnât say that Google is the best browser actually, I said that Google is the best browser âever doneâ. When Google arrived to the web it become the absolute king in less than one year due its amazing algorythm. All modern search engines are trying to do the best they can learning from the best of all times. Probably DDG and Yandex are better than Google for some tasks like time based searches.
Tony said on April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
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It used to be, but not anymore. DDG gets more relevant results for me. However, without the operators, I think I will âshop aroundâ.
Tom Hawack said on April 24, 2023 at 4:44 pm
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The crude truth was this, over decade ago, and I doubt it no longer is :
âGoogle policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it⊠We donât need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where youâve been. We can more or less know what youâre thinking about.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, October 1st, 2010
âWe can suggest what you should do next, what you care about. Imagine: We know where you are, we know what you like.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, September 7th, 2010
âI actually think most people donât want Google to answer their questionsâŠThey want Google to tell them what they should be doing next⊠We know roughly who you are, roughly what you care about, roughly who your friends are.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, August 14th, 2010
âYour digital identity will live forever⊠because thereâs no delete button.â
â Eric Schmidt, April 23rd, 2013, speaking to Stephen Colbert on the Colbert Report
Find out much more at [https://www.googlewatchdog.com/]
Personally, should Google Search be free of privacy intrusion I still wouldnât use it given I deeply dislike the way it displays results. I mustnât be the only one given dedicated scripts exist to bring some air to the display, for instance :
Google Search: interface cleanups [https://letsblock.it/filters/google-search-cleanup]
Google Searchâs interface is, IMO, a total mess. As it goes theyâll soon include a soft-drinks distributor.
John C. said on April 24, 2023 at 3:27 pm
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I use the *HELL* out of search operators (boolean logic). That the major search engines no longer allow them AND that theyâre doing this without any explanation is thoroughly unacceptable. Also note that DDG is based on Microsoftâs Bing search engine.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:35 pm
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âŠ.Then why did you wait approximately 17 years after the removal of Boolean to make this comment?
BillA said on April 24, 2023 at 2:30 pm
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Iâm guessing that the removal of search operators are being replaced by some kind of AI/ML, and they are confident that it will results in proper search results. Who knowsâŠ.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:34 pm
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Since the AI is not literally hooked into my brain by a wire, that claim makes absolutely zero sense. Itâs pretty obvious that there is literally no situation whatsoever when âAIâ that exists solely outside of my body only, and whoâs only input is text, can magically know that if I write geocities âcats are greatâ mms it means that I am looking for one specific webpage only created by former friend Goshin, viewed by a total of 45 people since the day it was created, which has âcats are greatâ written by me in the âsignaturesâ area, and also has a âvisitorâ with the screen name âmmsâ. Thatâs why I have literally never once ever, OBVIOUSLY, found the specific webpage I was looking for after the time when search engines decided to stop completing searches by moronically ignoring quotation marks. Even when it is an extremely large webpage with tens of millions of daily views or more, which is extremely easy to get certain âgeneral topicsâ in Google-type search results. Because removing the ability to complete searches results in all users being unable to complete searches. Obviously.
ECJ said on April 24, 2023 at 1:09 pm
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Is this limitation just for DuckDuckGo, or is this a Bing limitation thatâs going to affect all Bing-based search engines?
Search engine all suck now. I was a long time user of Startpage and loved it, however theyâve just started A/B testing a new version too and the new version (when it appears) also sucks as well. For example:
1) They used to stand out from all the other search engines, as they used Google for their search results â which I prefer over Bing-based search engines, particularly when doing more advanced searches. However, Startpage use Bing as well now, so theyâve just lost their unique advantage.
2) Article dates are now often missing from the left-hand side of the search results in the new version, so itâs not possible to see how old the article is.
3) In the new version, the search results pages are now jammed with junk, instead of just search results. So now we have to scroll through a bunch of âImagesâ, âNewsâ, âVideosâ sections for every search, just to get to the actual results. Web developers suck.
I was planning to move to DuckDuckGo, but not being able to use operators to narrow searches is going to be a major PITA. So, if as per the article suggests, DuckDuckGo are removing the ability to use double quotation marks (ââ) to search for an exact phrase, how would someone search only for search results that contain the exact phrase, like the below hash for example?
Around 2011 when the possibility to use a search engine to search for webpages was removed from Google, as well as having never existed in the first place on all two other search engines that existed, the result included every search engine that existed, because saying so is redundant.
The only search engine that I am aware of that exists now, which did not exist in 2011, and which therefore is likely to add functionality in the future if they have not been able to include it yet, is Mojeek.
Itâs really strange that you âhad planned to begin using DuckDuckGo instead of StartPageâ, but yet you also claim that âIt will be annoying to not be able to use the search engine to complete searches if you begin using DuckDuckGoâ, even though StartPage also ignores minus signs and quotation marks and therefore prevents the ability to complete searches.
If you would like to search for a long string of random characters with no spaces, of course, then you can obviously do that unless the results show the need to exclude something, because nobody searches for âwordâ, with no other words in the box whatsoever besides âwordâ, yet still using quotation marks, unless they are either a) an idiot or b) are using Google during that extremely small period of time about 1-2 years when Google would add âwordsâ and âwordingâ into that search if you donât use quotation marks, but would not force you to view results that contain the latter two words.
basingstoke said on April 24, 2023 at 1:04 pm
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Google removed âsearch by imageâ from itâs search engine, and also removed ability to specify custom time-frame for image results (I think it only exists for web results now) â whenever great features are taken away, I can only imagine itâs because theyâre looking to sell it at a premium somehow. Is that the case here somehow? Or just incompetence?
SanctimoniousApe said on April 24, 2023 at 8:32 pm
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My guess is legal exposure from piracy. Allowing a search for â{latest hot movie)â filetype:mp4 might be exposing them to more legal trouble than they care to deal with.
basingstoke said on April 25, 2023 at 4:23 pm
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SanctimoniousApe
Not correct, because you can still do that⊠Only the final âcustomâ time frame is gone â you canât specify for results from 01/01/2000 to 01/01/2010 for example â that stuff was useful and nothing to do with piracy.
I think I agree with âAnonymousâ on this oneâŠ
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 3:12 pm
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I feel like itâs the AI boom. They want to restrict what people can look up to make harder to make databases to train neural networks. Same reason imgur removed nsfw ocntent and reddit is charging huge prices to use their apis. These companies realized they are sitting on a goldmine.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 12:36 pm
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I often use filters, mostly the âexactâ filter.
Playing around with my search engines I also noticed Peekier.com is gone. It now redirects to Kagi.com
Tom Hawack said on April 24, 2023 at 12:01 pm
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Quoting the article, âDuckDuckGo is not the only search provider that is removing or reducing the impact of search filters.â
Surprising. What to expect from a search engine if not as many tools as possible to fine tune a research?
Most engines squeeze news, images and videos, may be shopping as well as maps inserts within Web results when the user wants Web results only, the other topics being available in the menu. Some engines are adding holy AI when the user expects plain, clean fine-tuned search results. What the heck is going on with search engines? Are they in the trend of making simple things complicated, adding nonsense and removing good sense?
Concerning DDG (which I call occasionally) I know that from now on Iâll have to avoid it when deep serching the Web.
âNow You: do you use search filters?â
Perhaps only the âexact termsâ and the â:siteâ filter. The former is in DDGâs removal list, the latter still alive.
Looks like Iâll visit DDG even less than before and call increasingly SearXNG instances.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:14 pm
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This is an extremely strange comment, because of the fact that it was posted in 2023 instead of approximately 2011 when all then-existing search engines removed the functionality of quotation marks and the minus sign, or before then when Google removed Boolean search and all other search engines went out of existence.
Jacob said on April 24, 2023 at 11:41 am
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It seems DDG is becoming less and less of an viable option. What are your preferred alternatives nowadays?
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:11 pm
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The only search engine I am aware of the existence of which actually provides valid results is Mojeek.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 9:13 am
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how you want your search engine fam?
just fxck my shit up
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:07 pm
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Time to stop using DDG, if for some reason you had still been willing to do that after knowing that you are literally only getting Google results even though Google has severely censored all search results for nearly a decade now.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:09 pm
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The above comment is not a reply. Please delete this comment and the one above it.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 8:42 am
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I -like the proposed change but the negative operator (the one I rely on most) is still functioning now.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:09 pm
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âŠIncorrect. This article literally directly states that the minus sign was never functional on DDG in the first place.
Rswrc said on April 24, 2023 at 8:28 am
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Never used operators except for site and file type occasionally
Robenroute said on April 24, 2023 at 8:21 am
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For the love of everything dear, why, indeed, hamper a perfectly useful and often used (at least by me) feature like filters? There must be either a technical or a legal issue causing such griefâŠ
Ipnonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 5:47 pm
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Same. Damn!!
Fritz said on April 24, 2023 at 7:51 am
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Well, wouldnât âwhyâ be the most natural question to ask here? Any thoughts on why these modifiers are being eliminated?
Shania said on April 24, 2023 at 7:28 am
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Searx seems better for then.
On a different note, looking at daily VPN spams reminded me of these two articles. ExpressVPN/PIA/Zenmate/Cyberghost all are owned by Kape, and Nord/Surfshark are owned by Nord.
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They don't work for me either.
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They don't work anymore, they say they do, but they so obviously don't. I think they tested it years ago, it worked, and things changed and never got around to either fixing it or taking down the syntax page.
They are following suit. Big-time engines are turning to MLA to cater to the common fool. So DDG doesn't get left in the dust, they too must go where the business is. It is yet another example of how the mainstream turns everything they touch into stinky brown slimy elongated soft objects often found in white porcelain bowls with a silver handle attached and usually accompanied by a fluid that looks very much like lemonade but smells more like 90-year-old Windex(tm); which has been submerged in city water probably recycled from just that.
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Why is there no simple "share button" on DDG search results?
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Why is there no simple "share button" on DDG search results?
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Why does this always happen...
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Just downloaded the browser, there are no sound on videos... it doesn't even show in Volume Mixer
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adjust range of autocomplete/search in browser address bar?
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Internet search engine DuckDuckGo launched an update recently that removed most search filters from the search engine.
Just to complain.
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DuckDuckGo disables most search filters from Search
Martin Brinkmann Apr 24, 2023 Updated âą Apr 25, 2023
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Internet search engine DuckDuckGo launched an update recently that removed most search filters, also called operators, from the search engine. Removed search operators include "" to search for exact terms, the "-" and "+" operators to reduce or increase the weight of search terms, and filetype:type, which allowed users to search for specific filetypes using search.
Users of the search engine will notice that DuckDuckGo ignores all disabled filters now, even when specified by the user.
Update: DuckDuckGo has updated the Help page to reflect that search syntax filters are still available. The company admitted, however, that they are experiencing some issues with filters, and that they may not work all the time currently because of that. End
Search operators allow users to add rules to their searches to include or exclude results. Basic search operators include minus to limit results that contain the phrase that is specified, or the site operator to only return results from the specified domain.
DuckDuckGo, like many other search engines, supported several search operators that its users could add to their search queries directly.
duckduckgo search filters
When used, DuckDuckgo displayed information about the used filter or filters at the top of the organic search results (below ads).
Now, with the update in place, it appears that only the -site operator remains the only search operator supported by the search engine. In other words, the following operators appear to have been disabled on the search engine:
Term1 Term1, example cats dogs -- showed results about cats and dogs.
"Term1 Term2", example "cats and dogs" -- showed results for the exact term cats and dogs, displayed related results if no exact matches were found.
Term1 -Term2, example cats -dogs -- showed results for cats and tried to exclude results which also contained reference to dogs.
Term1 +Term2, example cats +dogs -- prioritized results with dogs in the results.
Term1 filetype:pdf, exsample cats filetype:pdf, showed PDF documents about cats.
intitle:Term1, example intitle:dogs -- returned websites that had the term dogs in the page title.
inurl:Term1, example inurl:cats -- returned websites that had the term cats in the page URL.
The only search filter that DuckDuckgo still supports is the site filter. It can be used to limit results to a specific site, or to exclude a specific site from the results.
site:ghacks.net Firefox, returns Firefox results from Ghacks.
-site:ghacks.net Firefox, returns Firefox results, but removes any results from Ghacks from the results listing. In other words, the specified URL is filtered from the results.
DuckDuckgo updated its search syntax support website to reflect the change. It lists only the site operator on it and no other operator anymore. Code on the search engine's GitHub project page confirms the change as well.
DuckDuckGo is not the only search provider that is removing or reducing the impact of search filters. Google Search users, for instance, may have noticed that Google may not honor search filters all the time, especially when the "" exact search term filter is being used.
Now You: do you use search filters?
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David R said on April 13, 2024 at 6:06 pm
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If you were allowed to narrow your search to find only what you were looking for, in many cases that would allow you to avoid ads as well, either intentionally or by accident. The reason you canât successfully search for any specific term is this: to make certain that ads will always get through, excluding unwanted results from searches has been made impossible. I think itâs been 25 years or more since you could really expect to find what you were looking for online; it started slowly but has become much worse.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:10 pm
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Time to stop using DDG, if for some reason you had still been willing to do that after knowing that you are literally only getting Google results even though Google has severely censored all search results for nearly a decade now.
Anonymous said on April 26, 2023 at 2:49 am
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To call ddg a âsearch engineâ is extreme. It is nothing more than a Bing scrapper site. Seriously â compare results â they are vanilla unvarnished Bing.
Raymond Shaw said on April 25, 2023 at 1:44 am
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@ David:
> I do granular searches. Now thereâs no reason to use DuckDuckGo.
Sure there is, especially for Tor users.
Visit this if you have javascript entirely disabled (requires Tor):
As you can see, the â/htmlâ part is mandatory if you wish to search w/ Tor w/ javascript PROPERLY DISABLED. Most other search engines do not let you search if you have javascript disabled.
Itâs a Tor .onion hidden service and it works better than the other search engines who are cowards and wonât host their own Tor .onion service.
redditreposter said on April 24, 2023 at 10:02 pm
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Hi, hope we can clear this up. Search Syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo Private Search and weâve updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work. In fact, we recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates
Last month we temporarily updated our DuckDuckGo Search Syntax help page because we had been getting complaints from some users that they were not working consistently and wanted to get to the bottom of it, but we never actually deactivated the features themselves.
Instead of removing that information from the help page, even temporarily, we should have said we know users are having problems and weâre working to address them. Thatâs what the help page says now and we hope to provide an update soon.
Modded out of existance said on April 24, 2023 at 9:27 pm
redditreposterer said on April 24, 2023 at 8:54 pm
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Hi, hope we can clear this up. Search Syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo Private Search and weâve updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work. In fact, we recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates
Last month we temporarily updated our DuckDuckGo Search Syntax help page because we had been getting complaints from some users that they were not working consistently and wanted to get to the bottom of it, but we never actually deactivated the features themselves.
Instead of removing that information from the help page, even temporarily, we should have said we know users are having problems and weâre working to address them. Thatâs what the help page says now and we hope to provide an update soon.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:53 pm
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Then why has DuckDuckGo, since the beginning of itâs existence,
1) always without exception, includes webpages with the word âhouseâ bolded in the snippet, each and every time I searched for
gingerbread -house
2) always without exception, included many results, with words bolded in their âsnippetsâ, but with one or more words in between or with words in incorrect order, included something like âsome humans like to eat beef for dinnerâ, each and every time I search for
âhuman beefâ
3) very very frequently, when I search for âcats eat dinnerâ, will see many results for âcat eating dinnerâ, regardless of the fact that neither âcatâ nor âeatingâ was a word I searched for, and I have also never added the permission to include either âcatâ or âeatingâ via a question asking whether these words are acceptable, and I also have not included any asterisks in my search, and I have often EVEN USED QUOTATION MARKS SPECIFICALLY TO HELP ENSURE THAT I WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS âCAT EATING DINNERâ BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FUCK I SEARCHED FORâŠ
âŠ..but yet LITERALLY NEVER ONCE has DuckDuckGo returned webpages which say âcat eats dinnerâ -tuna, in that order, in each and every result, and also ensuring that zero webpages which contain the word âtunaâ are displayed, after I searched for âcats eat dinnerâ in quotation marks.
âŠ.Clearly, DDG most definitely does NOT âcontinueâ to use the functionality of operators, and does NOT allow users to make valid, legitimate searches on itâs search engine, because it is obviously impossible to âcontinueâ doing something that you have never done in the first place.
SanctimoniousApe said on April 24, 2023 at 8:42 pm
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Well, itâs about time for the cycle to start anew â seems every decade-ish thereâs a hot new kid on the block. This time around whoever it winds up being wonât even have to come to with something new to encourage us to come to them â just do what the big guys *used* to do. Truly a case of âwhatâs old is new again.â
David said on April 24, 2023 at 7:52 pm
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I do granular searches. Now thereâs no reason to use DuckDuckGo.
Mirando said on April 24, 2023 at 6:05 pm
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Yes, it seems there are other changes which are not mentionned behind the scenes.
For most request, it looks like I get half of the result I got before, around ~75 by query, while it used to be more like ~150 a few days ago.
Big regression if you ask me, and this filters removal just makes no sense.
Unfortunately, I have no alternative right now, so I suppose I will continue to use DDG for most searches, with inferior results than earlier.
For advanced searches, I will have to go back to big G.
Bad times.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:41 pm
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Google removed the ability to complete any âadvanced searchâ in approximately 2011.
For all searches, you can use Mojeek.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 5:13 pm
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There are some large changes happening in search-engine land. Just found out old timer Gigablast is gone too.
John G. said on April 24, 2023 at 4:00 pm
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The crude truth is that Google is the best search engine ever done.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:38 pm
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âŠ.Yes, it was; literally everyone on Earth knows that. And then, several years later, it quickly became a terrible search engine, and a scant few years after that, because the worst thing ever done due to horrifying abuses of the entire population. And then, less then a decade after that, also decided to make the search engine even worse then the already-worst, by also preventing the ability to get results after inputting some words and/or operaters that were intended to make a web search. Your comment is extremely irrelevant to this article or post, because this article or post was posted in 2023. This article or post is not actually from 2004.
Somebody_Else said on May 1, 2023 at 7:23 pm
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That could have been argued years ago, but since Google fâd up and wiped out those capabilities itâs been annoying trash every since.
Well, worse than annoying trash since itâs been feeding me other searches because it thinks itâs users are to stupid to search for what we want instead of what it thinks is popular.
basingstoke said on April 25, 2023 at 4:25 pm
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literally had Yandex give me better results sometimes. Google, like Microsoft, are resting on their laurels and have long ago stopped caring about improving things.
Sure, Google is good, but was it better 5-10 years ago? Yes much better. Sure, Windows is good, but was it better 5-10 years ago? Yes much better. Sad trend, we need innovation.
John G. said on April 25, 2023 at 8:07 pm
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I didnât say that Google is the best browser actually, I said that Google is the best browser âever doneâ. When Google arrived to the web it become the absolute king in less than one year due its amazing algorythm. All modern search engines are trying to do the best they can learning from the best of all times. Probably DDG and Yandex are better than Google for some tasks like time based searches.
Tony said on April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
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It used to be, but not anymore. DDG gets more relevant results for me. However, without the operators, I think I will âshop aroundâ.
Tom Hawack said on April 24, 2023 at 4:44 pm
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The crude truth was this, over decade ago, and I doubt it no longer is :
âGoogle policy is to get right up to the creepy line and not cross it⊠We donât need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where youâve been. We can more or less know what youâre thinking about.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, October 1st, 2010
âWe can suggest what you should do next, what you care about. Imagine: We know where you are, we know what you like.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, September 7th, 2010
âI actually think most people donât want Google to answer their questionsâŠThey want Google to tell them what they should be doing next⊠We know roughly who you are, roughly what you care about, roughly who your friends are.â
â Eric Schmidt, former chief executive of Google, August 14th, 2010
âYour digital identity will live forever⊠because thereâs no delete button.â
â Eric Schmidt, April 23rd, 2013, speaking to Stephen Colbert on the Colbert Report
Find out much more at [https://www.googlewatchdog.com/]
Personally, should Google Search be free of privacy intrusion I still wouldnât use it given I deeply dislike the way it displays results. I mustnât be the only one given dedicated scripts exist to bring some air to the display, for instance :
Google Search: interface cleanups [https://letsblock.it/filters/google-search-cleanup]
Google Searchâs interface is, IMO, a total mess. As it goes theyâll soon include a soft-drinks distributor.
John C. said on April 24, 2023 at 3:27 pm
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I use the *HELL* out of search operators (boolean logic). That the major search engines no longer allow them AND that theyâre doing this without any explanation is thoroughly unacceptable. Also note that DDG is based on Microsoftâs Bing search engine.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:35 pm
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âŠ.Then why did you wait approximately 17 years after the removal of Boolean to make this comment?
BillA said on April 24, 2023 at 2:30 pm
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Iâm guessing that the removal of search operators are being replaced by some kind of AI/ML, and they are confident that it will results in proper search results. Who knowsâŠ.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:34 pm
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Since the AI is not literally hooked into my brain by a wire, that claim makes absolutely zero sense. Itâs pretty obvious that there is literally no situation whatsoever when âAIâ that exists solely outside of my body only, and whoâs only input is text, can magically know that if I write geocities âcats are greatâ mms it means that I am looking for one specific webpage only created by former friend Goshin, viewed by a total of 45 people since the day it was created, which has âcats are greatâ written by me in the âsignaturesâ area, and also has a âvisitorâ with the screen name âmmsâ. Thatâs why I have literally never once ever, OBVIOUSLY, found the specific webpage I was looking for after the time when search engines decided to stop completing searches by moronically ignoring quotation marks. Even when it is an extremely large webpage with tens of millions of daily views or more, which is extremely easy to get certain âgeneral topicsâ in Google-type search results. Because removing the ability to complete searches results in all users being unable to complete searches. Obviously.
ECJ said on April 24, 2023 at 1:09 pm
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Is this limitation just for DuckDuckGo, or is this a Bing limitation thatâs going to affect all Bing-based search engines?
Search engine all suck now. I was a long time user of Startpage and loved it, however theyâve just started A/B testing a new version too and the new version (when it appears) also sucks as well. For example:
1) They used to stand out from all the other search engines, as they used Google for their search results â which I prefer over Bing-based search engines, particularly when doing more advanced searches. However, Startpage use Bing as well now, so theyâve just lost their unique advantage.
2) Article dates are now often missing from the left-hand side of the search results in the new version, so itâs not possible to see how old the article is.
3) In the new version, the search results pages are now jammed with junk, instead of just search results. So now we have to scroll through a bunch of âImagesâ, âNewsâ, âVideosâ sections for every search, just to get to the actual results. Web developers suck.
I was planning to move to DuckDuckGo, but not being able to use operators to narrow searches is going to be a major PITA. So, if as per the article suggests, DuckDuckGo are removing the ability to use double quotation marks (ââ) to search for an exact phrase, how would someone search only for search results that contain the exact phrase, like the below hash for example?
Around 2011 when the possibility to use a search engine to search for webpages was removed from Google, as well as having never existed in the first place on all two other search engines that existed, the result included every search engine that existed, because saying so is redundant.
The only search engine that I am aware of that exists now, which did not exist in 2011, and which therefore is likely to add functionality in the future if they have not been able to include it yet, is Mojeek.
Itâs really strange that you âhad planned to begin using DuckDuckGo instead of StartPageâ, but yet you also claim that âIt will be annoying to not be able to use the search engine to complete searches if you begin using DuckDuckGoâ, even though StartPage also ignores minus signs and quotation marks and therefore prevents the ability to complete searches.
If you would like to search for a long string of random characters with no spaces, of course, then you can obviously do that unless the results show the need to exclude something, because nobody searches for âwordâ, with no other words in the box whatsoever besides âwordâ, yet still using quotation marks, unless they are either a) an idiot or b) are using Google during that extremely small period of time about 1-2 years when Google would add âwordsâ and âwordingâ into that search if you donât use quotation marks, but would not force you to view results that contain the latter two words.
basingstoke said on April 24, 2023 at 1:04 pm
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Google removed âsearch by imageâ from itâs search engine, and also removed ability to specify custom time-frame for image results (I think it only exists for web results now) â whenever great features are taken away, I can only imagine itâs because theyâre looking to sell it at a premium somehow. Is that the case here somehow? Or just incompetence?
SanctimoniousApe said on April 24, 2023 at 8:32 pm
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My guess is legal exposure from piracy. Allowing a search for â{latest hot movie)â filetype:mp4 might be exposing them to more legal trouble than they care to deal with.
basingstoke said on April 25, 2023 at 4:23 pm
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SanctimoniousApe
Not correct, because you can still do that⊠Only the final âcustomâ time frame is gone â you canât specify for results from 01/01/2000 to 01/01/2010 for example â that stuff was useful and nothing to do with piracy.
I think I agree with âAnonymousâ on this oneâŠ
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 3:12 pm
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I feel like itâs the AI boom. They want to restrict what people can look up to make harder to make databases to train neural networks. Same reason imgur removed nsfw ocntent and reddit is charging huge prices to use their apis. These companies realized they are sitting on a goldmine.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 12:36 pm
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I often use filters, mostly the âexactâ filter.
Playing around with my search engines I also noticed Peekier.com is gone. It now redirects to Kagi.com
Tom Hawack said on April 24, 2023 at 12:01 pm
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Quoting the article, âDuckDuckGo is not the only search provider that is removing or reducing the impact of search filters.â
Surprising. What to expect from a search engine if not as many tools as possible to fine tune a research?
Most engines squeeze news, images and videos, may be shopping as well as maps inserts within Web results when the user wants Web results only, the other topics being available in the menu. Some engines are adding holy AI when the user expects plain, clean fine-tuned search results. What the heck is going on with search engines? Are they in the trend of making simple things complicated, adding nonsense and removing good sense?
Concerning DDG (which I call occasionally) I know that from now on Iâll have to avoid it when deep serching the Web.
âNow You: do you use search filters?â
Perhaps only the âexact termsâ and the â:siteâ filter. The former is in DDGâs removal list, the latter still alive.
Looks like Iâll visit DDG even less than before and call increasingly SearXNG instances.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:14 pm
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This is an extremely strange comment, because of the fact that it was posted in 2023 instead of approximately 2011 when all then-existing search engines removed the functionality of quotation marks and the minus sign, or before then when Google removed Boolean search and all other search engines went out of existence.
Jacob said on April 24, 2023 at 11:41 am
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It seems DDG is becoming less and less of an viable option. What are your preferred alternatives nowadays?
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:11 pm
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The only search engine I am aware of the existence of which actually provides valid results is Mojeek.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 9:13 am
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how you want your search engine fam?
just fxck my shit up
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:07 pm
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Time to stop using DDG, if for some reason you had still been willing to do that after knowing that you are literally only getting Google results even though Google has severely censored all search results for nearly a decade now.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:09 pm
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The above comment is not a reply. Please delete this comment and the one above it.
Anonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 8:42 am
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I -like the proposed change but the negative operator (the one I rely on most) is still functioning now.
Raven said on June 26, 2023 at 8:09 pm
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âŠIncorrect. This article literally directly states that the minus sign was never functional on DDG in the first place.
Rswrc said on April 24, 2023 at 8:28 am
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Never used operators except for site and file type occasionally
Robenroute said on April 24, 2023 at 8:21 am
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For the love of everything dear, why, indeed, hamper a perfectly useful and often used (at least by me) feature like filters? There must be either a technical or a legal issue causing such griefâŠ
Ipnonymous said on April 24, 2023 at 5:47 pm
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Same. Damn!!
Fritz said on April 24, 2023 at 7:51 am
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Well, wouldnât âwhyâ be the most natural question to ask here? Any thoughts on why these modifiers are being eliminated?
Shania said on April 24, 2023 at 7:28 am
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Searx seems better for then.
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So some morbid person figures this out, that you can actually trick a lot of them into dying weeks or months early if you just.... pretend today is the day? Like throw their birthday today, pretend it's Christmas and unwrap gifts, etc.
I guess you save a lotta money on nursing and end of life care that way. That's... I'm assuming we only do this in America. Where else would you ever desire to speed up the process of your elders' deaths.
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I don't think it's unreasonable for our public officials to be expected to prove they're alive and not in a coma to be able to retain their office.
If someone were, as a random example, say hospitalized for over two weeks with no explanation, I think that should automatically trigger a special election to replace them.
If you're still able to do your job, then prove it. And if you're not, then you're actively obstructing democracy by not stepping down.
Which is to say, that if a public official were to pass away or into a coma, and their handlers choose to obfuscate that fact, this should be seen as intentionally obstructing democracy.
And there should be, you know, consequences for the people who would do such a thing.
What people think why i became a bookbinder: Oh she wants to explore her artistic horizon with those pretty leather bound books of hers. She even gives them out as gifts to her friends. It most likely helps her with anxiety or maybe she just wanted a more special costume made notebook.
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Renegade Bindery can sometimes assist you in creating your own one of a kind handbound book of whatever you want.
They have a "don't be a dick" rule, so this won't help everyone as equally. But if you can manage to not be a dick, you have an equal opportunity to learn this craft.
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Not included: drafts, queue, likes, followers, following, comments, notes, chat.Â
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1. Folder âArchiveâ (contains .html files listed by month)
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3. Folder âPostsâ (contains single .html files, each one a post; I have +4k files in it)
4. Folder âThemeâ (contains only my avatar, but it might be a matter of if you have personalized themes or not)
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So yeah, in case anyone wants a very quick way to back up their blog, it took me less than 10 minutes.Â
P.S. I didnât have any issue, but to be on the safe side always check for spyware and virus threats before and after downloading anything.Â
this is actually really useful if you have an art blog full of years of work that you otherwise no longer have access to the original files. A lot of the art I have in the early days of my art blog are in that boat. I did this process JUST for that reason and I was pretty astonished at just how many pieces of media it backs up! (literally all of it) Drawings I didnât even realize were sitting in my archive due to having been posted to text posts or undercuts, or untagged for years! Itâs worth it if just for that, even if tumblr isnât shutting down or deleting your blog.
This meant that all internet communications were treated equal. No one could throttle competitor communication. No one could censor you. No one could force you to give your data to Google. Apple couldn't stop you from using an alternative texting app to send or recieve messages. Payment processors could not discriminate on what what web shops could use banking.
Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.
If you bring it back now, you would have to state that all *human generated* communication must be treated equal. AI generated communication mustn't be allowed to be treated as equal to the communication of living breathing people.
Dude it ain't just AI, man. It's Net Neutrality.
Ajit Pai killed, KILLED, equal access to the internet for creators, writers, artists, music
Old post reiterated beyond the cut.
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I also think about how part of why these people are targeting creators, writers, actors, musicians, artists... is because the only way out of this future they have envisioned is imagining a better one, and then making it real. Right? And that is a thing that creatives have a role in doing. So, if you can kill that ability, hand it over to the machines you control, maybe you can stop them from this path of resistance. Motherfuckers. -Robert Evans
ALT
listening to my podcasts while working today and happened to come across this from the most recent Behind the Bastards episode on AI, and i felt like it deserved to be spread.
gamerwoman3d
Dude it ainât just AI, man. Itâs Net Neutrality.
Ajit Pai killed, KILLED, equal access to the internet for creators, writers, artists, musicians, actors, etc. In FAVOR of granting internet access ONLY to large corporations.
Thatâs it. Thatâs the motherfucker.
FCC details plan to restore the net neutrality rules repealed by Ajit Pai
Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.
Ars Technica
âAIâ as it exists in your fears is ONLY operating in this manner because of THAT motherfucker.
âAIâ is just a tool. It generates âresponsesâ to a âquery.â Unlike an artist, an AI can generate a million incorrect responses within seconds of a query. But only an artist can choose the correct response to any query about how the future could be better.
There is a percentage chance that the AI can generate the correct response in a set of responses. But only the artist knows which response is right for the world. Only the artist can generate a correct response that is not within the parameters of the AIâs dataset.
The reason âAIâ is so OUT OF POCKET at this time in history is BECAUSE Ajit Pai gave over ownership of the internet itself to large corporations.
Those corporations now own copies of all the content any artist has ever shared, through any app, or any website, or given to any gallery that then took photos of that art to share in their press release, if their press release was archived anywhere online.
Those corporations now own copies of your face, copies of every love letter you ever typed, everything youâve written, said, done, or shared online.
We donât own those copies. Google and Amazon Web Services and Meta own the physical servers where those bits of creativity are imprisoned. They own ALL of it, because without net neutrality, no one was given an alternative that could compete with their tech.
They own the entirety of the digital landscape because of a lack of net neutrality laws. And they own a good chunk of the ACTUAL landscape in the form of real estate property now, due to a lack of net neutrality laws.
If net neutrality is enacted and enforced properly, âAIâ just becomes another tool. A potentially helpful tool that artists can CHOOSE to build together, build better together, build things from it together, and profit from it, together. But right now, all âAIâ is doing is scraping away information that was collected during a time period where an egregious lack of net neutrality protections left people with no other options for the communication of ideas.
This means every scrap of data that these AIs are scraping were provided to that dataset either unwittingly or under duress, from people who had no choice of which service to utilize, because their FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to net neutrality was taken from them.
These companies were always, ALWAYS, going to coerce and steal all this data from the citizens of the world. âAIâ just allows them to do it faster and cheaper.
Weâre living in a world now where young adults use phone apps without understanding the fundamental bits of technology that make that app work.
If a young person doesnât even understand that a browser is an application, and an application is a program, and the internet is a physical thing - a large series of physical wires and computer equipment - then how could they begin to understand that they once had a fundamental right to equal access to the usage of that equipment?
They do not know their own rights to equal access to the information on the internet, because they never had those rights in their entire adult lifeÂč. All they have is a tablet, and the apps that they can get from THE PLAY STORE.
The Play Store is controlled by Google [apple has an equivalent for iphone] and Google alone. This means Google decides everything that everyone can or cannot see without a web browser - which is also an APP in the PLAY STORE.
And now, these young adults download an app, create art, upload that art on the app, Google takes that art, AI uses that art as a response to a query, and the young adult creative is angry - Understandably angry. These young creatives never truly agreed to allow Google to profit from their art, because even if they signed an âagreementâ by clicking on a EULA [End User Licensing Agreement], that agreement was made under duress - A lack of net neutrality laws over the span of just five years GARUNTEED that the creatives had no real choice to opt out of Google or Apple or Adobe or AWS.
Currently, âopting outâ would require an individual to have a massive amount of education about technology. They would have to spend probably two full years learning enough about the technology we have in order to build their own small server for service. They might have to learn code, which takes at least 6 months for a genius. They would have to be educated about IP (internet protocols). And they would STILL have to engage with customers/other users who use Google, Apple, and AWS for payment processing, unless they ALSO wanted to get an education about banking and build their own FDIC compliant payment processor.
THIS IS NOT FAIR TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
That is NOT a choice for an emerging creative. They literally havenât had the time it takes to learn all this, finish school, AND learn an art.
It is not reasonable to expect a new artist to build a competitor to Google or Meta before they can even safely express themselves.
1 - Net Neutrality was killed in December of 2017.
Ify Nwadiwe was on that episode making some great points. Check him out.
Ify Nwadiwe
The one stop shop for all of Ify Nwadiwe's sketches, stand up sets, and vlogs.
YouTube
Check out the full episode here.
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Net neutrality back on FCC docket
FCC details plan to restore the net neutrality rules repealed by Ajit Pai
Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.
Jon Brodkin â Sep 26, 2023 11:47 AM | 185
FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel speaks outside in front of a sign that says "Net neutrality wake up call."
Federal Communication Commission Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel, then a commissioner, rallies against repeal of net neutrality rules in December 2017. Credit: Getty Images | Chip Somodevilla
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Federal Communications Commission Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel today announced plans to restore net neutrality rules similar to those that were adopted during the Obama era and then repealed by the FCC when Donald Trump was president.
Rosenworcel announced her plans in a speech today, one day after the FCC gained a 3-2 Democratic majority with the swearing-in of Commissioner Anna Gomez. The FCC previously operated with a 2-2 partisan deadlock because the US Senate never voted on whether to confirm President Bidenâs first nominee, Gigi Sohn.
âThis afternoon, Iâm sharing with my colleagues a rulemaking that proposes to reinstate net neutrality,â Rosenworcel said.
The net neutrality rules would prohibit Internet service providers from blocking or throttling lawful Internet traffic and from selling âfast lanesâ that prioritize some traffic over others in exchange for payment. Similar to the previous rules, FCC officials said they donât plan to impose rate regulation or âunbundlingâ requirements that would force broadband providers to share networks with other companies.
In a fact sheet, the FCC said the proposal would âestablish basic rules for Internet Service Providers that prevent them from blocking legal content, throttling your speeds, and creating fast lanes that favor those who can pay for access.â
Vote next month
The first step for the FCC is to vote on a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that will seek public comment on the rules. The vote on the NPRM is scheduled for October 19. Based on past practice, it will take at least a few months to gather public comments, analyze them, and then propose and adopt final rules.
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âWe will need to develop an updated record to identify the best way to restore these policies and have a uniform, national open Internet standard,â Rosenworcel said.
Rosenworcel, a commissioner since 2012, criticized the Trump-era FCCâs decision to stop regulating broadband as a common carrier service. She pointed out that the rules were upheld in court and popular with the public, and that the repeal was met with an overwhelming public backlash.
âAs a result of the previous FCCâs decision to abdicate authority, the agency charged with overseeing communications has limited ability to oversee these indispensable networks and make sure that for every consumer, their access is fast, open, and fair,â she said.
Just like the Obama-era rules
Rosenworcelâs proposed rules will mostly mirror those approved under then-Chairman Tom Wheeler in 2015, senior FCC officials said in a call with reporters today. The proposal would classify broadband providers as common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act, providing the legal authority to impose net neutrality rules and other regulations.
Broadband providers are likely to argue that rules arenât necessary because theyâve behaved themselves in the five years since the previous net neutrality order was repealed in 2018. To counter that argument, FCC officials today pointed out that ISPs are required to follow net neutrality rules in individual states even though the federal government doesnât have uniform rules for the whole country.
Then-Chairman Ajit Paiâs attempt to preempt all state net neutrality rules was rejected in court. California enforces net neutrality rules that mirror what the FCC adopted in 2015 and beat industry attempts to get the state law overturned.
FCC officials said today that nearly a dozen states enforce net neutrality through state laws, government contracting policies, or executive orders. While they stressed the importance of having a strong set of rules for the entire US, they said ISPs are already subject to a âpatchworkâ of state laws.
FCC officials today said the reclassification of broadband will close a national security âloophole.â They said the FCC relies on its authority over voice service to keep hostile foreign actors from compromising networks and that regulating broadband under Title II will provide additional power to impose cybersecurity requirements on network operators. That includes blocking authorizations of companies controlled by adversarial governments, they said.
More than just net neutrality
Rosenworcel stressed that placing broadband under Title II classification will give the FCC stronger authority over more than just net neutrality. For example, the FCC can use Title II to require Internet providers to address long outages and report detailed data on outages, she said.
The FCC fact sheet said Rosenworcelâs plan will let the agency âenhance the resiliency of broadband networks and bolster efforts to require providers to notify the FCC and consumers of Internet outages.â
Rosenworcel also pointed to the 2018 incident in which Verizon throttled a fire departmentâs âunlimitedâ data during California wildfires. âAs a result of the Title II repeal, the FCC didnât have any authority to intervene and fix it,â Rosenworcel said.
Rosenworcel said that because FCC authority is generally centered on phone systems instead of broadband, the commission often needs âduct tape and baling wireâ to provide legal justification for its rules. Among other things, Title II would give the FCC stronger authority to fight robotexts in the same way it fights robocalls, she said.
Title II also has benefits for broadband providers, like giving cable companies rights to attach wires to telephone poles, she said. The FCCâs Title II repeal âeliminated the pole-attachment rights of broadband-only providers,â she said.
FCCâs Title II powers
Net neutrality proposals always trigger debate over whether the FCC has authority to impose rules governing how broadband providers treat Internet traffic. The Obama-era rules crafted under Wheeler survived a court appeal in 2016, affirming the FCCâs authority to regulate broadband providers as common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act.
In 2019, Paiâs repeal of those rules survived a court challenge for similar reasonsâjudges said the FCC has authority to decide whether broadband should or shouldnât be regulated under common carrier rules.
To be regulated under common carrier rules, broadband access must be classified as a telecommunications service rather than as an information service. One appeals court judge called Paiâs claim that broadband isnât a telecommunications service âunhinged from the realities of modern broadband service,â but the federal appeals court said the FCC has broad authority to classify broadband as either an information service or telecommunications as long as it provides a reasonable justification for its decision.
The FCC is not proposing to re-impose broadband privacy rules that were eliminated by Congress in 2017. Those privacy rules were also based on the FCCâs Title II authority, but the Republican-led Congress used its review power to kill the rules and to prohibit the FCC from issuing similar regulations in the future.
While that Congressional decision limits the FCCâs rule-making authority on privacy, FCC officials said today that reclassifying broadband will ensure that ISPs wonât be allowed to sell customersâ location data. Phone companies are already prohibited from selling location data, and Rosenworcel probed mobile carriersâ use of geolocation data last year.
Industry pins hopes on 2022 SCOTUS ruling
This time around, at least some of the debate will center on a 2022 Supreme Court ruling in a case involving the Environmental Protection Agency, which emphasized that agencies must point to âclear congressional authorizationâ when making decisions on âmajor questions.â
Two former Obama administration solicitors general, Donald Verrilli, Jr. and Ian Heath Gershengorn, argued in a white paper this month that under the â[Supreme] Courtâs current doctrine, the issue of reclassification of broadband under Title II is a âmajor question.â And, the Commission lacks the âclear congressional authorizationâ that the Court requires.â
However, the white paper was funded by two of the most active opponents of net neutrality rulesâthe industry trade groups USTelecom and NCTAâThe Internet & Television Association, which represent broadband companies like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, and Charter. Those groups sued the Obama-era FCC in an attempt to overturn the net neutrality rules years before the EPA ruling, making similar claims that the FCC lacked authority to regulate broadband as a common carrier service.
Verrilli and Gershengorn are both partners at law firms and said in their white paper that âover the course of our careers, we have represented the federal government and broadband providers on issues relevant to this paper.â
Question over âmajor questionsâ
Harold Feld, a longtime telecom lawyer who is senior VP at consumer-advocacy group Public Knowledge, argued last year that the Supreme Courtâs EPA decision likely wonât prevent the FCC from imposing net neutrality rules. Feld wrote that the EPA ruling relied on the Gonzales v. Oregon decision, âwhich cites the FCCâs authority over broadband in Brand X approvingly as an example of where Congressional delegation is âclear.ââ
Of course, no one can predict with absolute certainty whether the FCC will win if the Supreme Court takes up the case. âIt all depends on what the Court means by a âmajor questionâ that requires âclear proofâ that Congress intended to vest the agency with the power to do the thing,â Feld wrote.
Today, FCC officials said theyâre confident in the legality of the planned reclassification because the commission has been classifying broadband under the Communications Act since the 1990s, and each reclassification has been upheld in court.
Another complicating factor is that the FCC would shift to Republican control if President Biden is unable to win re-election in November 2024. A Republican-controlled FCC could reverse Rosenworcelâs decision or choose not to put up much of a fight in court if itâs challenged.
FCC Republican Brendan Carr issued a statement today blasting what he called âthe Biden Administrationâs unnecessary and unlawful plan for exerting government control over the Internet.â Carr said the FCC should heed the Verrilli/Gershengorn analysis but didnât mention the white paperâs industry funding.
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This meant that all internet communications were treated equal. No one could throttle competitor communication. No one could censor you. No one could force you to give your data to Google. Apple couldn't stop you from using an alternative texting app to send or recieve messages. Payment processors could not discriminate on what what web shops could use banking.
Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.
If you bring it back now, you would have to state that all *human generated* communication must be treated equal. AI generated communication mustn't be allowed to be treated as equal to the communication of living breathing people.
Dude it ain't just AI, man. It's Net Neutrality.
Ajit Pai killed, KILLED, equal access to the internet for creators, writers, artists, music
Old post reiterated beyond the cut.
gamerwoman3d
Celebrating Nerdy Sexuality since Puberty
Posts Likes Push Button, Ask Question Archive
jackironsides
emilylorange
I also think about how part of why these people are targeting creators, writers, actors, musicians, artists... is because the only way out of this future they have envisioned is imagining a better one, and then making it real. Right? And that is a thing that creatives have a role in doing. So, if you can kill that ability, hand it over to the machines you control, maybe you can stop them from this path of resistance. Motherfuckers. -Robert Evans
ALT
listening to my podcasts while working today and happened to come across this from the most recent Behind the Bastards episode on AI, and i felt like it deserved to be spread.
gamerwoman3d
Dude it ainât just AI, man. Itâs Net Neutrality.
Ajit Pai killed, KILLED, equal access to the internet for creators, writers, artists, musicians, actors, etc. In FAVOR of granting internet access ONLY to large corporations.
Thatâs it. Thatâs the motherfucker.
FCC details plan to restore the net neutrality rules repealed by Ajit Pai
Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.
Ars Technica
âAIâ as it exists in your fears is ONLY operating in this manner because of THAT motherfucker.
âAIâ is just a tool. It generates âresponsesâ to a âquery.â Unlike an artist, an AI can generate a million incorrect responses within seconds of a query. But only an artist can choose the correct response to any query about how the future could be better.
There is a percentage chance that the AI can generate the correct response in a set of responses. But only the artist knows which response is right for the world. Only the artist can generate a correct response that is not within the parameters of the AIâs dataset.
The reason âAIâ is so OUT OF POCKET at this time in history is BECAUSE Ajit Pai gave over ownership of the internet itself to large corporations.
Those corporations now own copies of all the content any artist has ever shared, through any app, or any website, or given to any gallery that then took photos of that art to share in their press release, if their press release was archived anywhere online.
Those corporations now own copies of your face, copies of every love letter you ever typed, everything youâve written, said, done, or shared online.
We donât own those copies. Google and Amazon Web Services and Meta own the physical servers where those bits of creativity are imprisoned. They own ALL of it, because without net neutrality, no one was given an alternative that could compete with their tech.
They own the entirety of the digital landscape because of a lack of net neutrality laws. And they own a good chunk of the ACTUAL landscape in the form of real estate property now, due to a lack of net neutrality laws.
If net neutrality is enacted and enforced properly, âAIâ just becomes another tool. A potentially helpful tool that artists can CHOOSE to build together, build better together, build things from it together, and profit from it, together. But right now, all âAIâ is doing is scraping away information that was collected during a time period where an egregious lack of net neutrality protections left people with no other options for the communication of ideas.
This means every scrap of data that these AIs are scraping were provided to that dataset either unwittingly or under duress, from people who had no choice of which service to utilize, because their FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to net neutrality was taken from them.
These companies were always, ALWAYS, going to coerce and steal all this data from the citizens of the world. âAIâ just allows them to do it faster and cheaper.
Weâre living in a world now where young adults use phone apps without understanding the fundamental bits of technology that make that app work.
If a young person doesnât even understand that a browser is an application, and an application is a program, and the internet is a physical thing - a large series of physical wires and computer equipment - then how could they begin to understand that they once had a fundamental right to equal access to the usage of that equipment?
They do not know their own rights to equal access to the information on the internet, because they never had those rights in their entire adult lifeÂč. All they have is a tablet, and the apps that they can get from THE PLAY STORE.
The Play Store is controlled by Google [apple has an equivalent for iphone] and Google alone. This means Google decides everything that everyone can or cannot see without a web browser - which is also an APP in the PLAY STORE.
And now, these young adults download an app, create art, upload that art on the app, Google takes that art, AI uses that art as a response to a query, and the young adult creative is angry - Understandably angry. These young creatives never truly agreed to allow Google to profit from their art, because even if they signed an âagreementâ by clicking on a EULA [End User Licensing Agreement], that agreement was made under duress - A lack of net neutrality laws over the span of just five years GARUNTEED that the creatives had no real choice to opt out of Google or Apple or Adobe or AWS.
Currently, âopting outâ would require an individual to have a massive amount of education about technology. They would have to spend probably two full years learning enough about the technology we have in order to build their own small server for service. They might have to learn code, which takes at least 6 months for a genius. They would have to be educated about IP (internet protocols). And they would STILL have to engage with customers/other users who use Google, Apple, and AWS for payment processing, unless they ALSO wanted to get an education about banking and build their own FDIC compliant payment processor.
THIS IS NOT FAIR TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
That is NOT a choice for an emerging creative. They literally havenât had the time it takes to learn all this, finish school, AND learn an art.
It is not reasonable to expect a new artist to build a competitor to Google or Meta before they can even safely express themselves.
1 - Net Neutrality was killed in December of 2017.
Ify Nwadiwe was on that episode making some great points. Check him out.
Ify Nwadiwe
The one stop shop for all of Ify Nwadiwe's sketches, stand up sets, and vlogs.
YouTube
Check out the full episode here.
robert evans ify nwadiwe behind the bastards net neutrality AI theft ai discussion Youtube