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Yknow WRONG by Chris Grey is soo jegulus coded
Especially in the No greater sin context (it's an amazing fanfiction. Go read it if you haven't on ao3)
Thank you for this and everything else that happened in three wonderful seasons. ANDI MACK (2017 - 2019)
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Honestly, I really want to share my opinion, because I feel lonely. Most fans of TSOA absolutely adore this exact dialogue, and I personally cannot stand it:
"Name one hero who was happy. You can't."
"I can't"
"I know. They never let you be famous AND happy. I'll tell you a secret"
"Tell me"
"I'm gonna be the first. Swear it"
"Why me?"
"Because you're the reason. Swear it"
"I swear it"
I have no complaints or questions about why people might like this. But this does not leave me in peace. To me, this feels the same as erasing other Ancient Greek heroes.
What does it mean that Achilles is the first hero who is happy? And what about those who came BEFORE him? Even if most heroes ended badly, every hero still had their own moment of happiness! Cadmus was happy when he got Harmonia as his wife, founded Thebes, and brought writing. Theseus was happy for some time with Ariadne, until he left her for one reason or another (and not in every version does he leave her willingly), he was happy for some time with Hippolyta, who gave birth to Hippolytus, he was happy to have a friend like Pirithous, with whom his relationship was considered one of the classical examples of friendship. Perseus was happy with Andromeda and ruled peacefully until old age, he is literally one of the lucky ones. Heracles was happy to have his male lovers; even if he killed his family in a fit of madness, he was still perfectly happy with them for some time, he could also have been happy with his other wives, and even if he died, afterwards he was deified and peacefully and happily lives on Olympus with his wife Hebe, whom Hera gave to him as a wife as a sign of reconciliation. He is also one of the lucky ones. Was Autolycus, son of Hermes, really never happy? And was Orpheus never happy with Eurydice? Even if both were tragically separated by death, this absolutely does NOT mean that while alive and married they were unhappy! And I haven’t even listed everyone yet.
The fact that most heroes died tragic deaths absolutely does not mean that they were unhappy their entire lives from birth and never knew happiness. And with this dialogue between Achilles and Patroclus in TSOA, it feels as if the experience of literally any other Ancient Greek hero is completely erased. I honestly do not know what goal Miller was truly pursuing when writing this dialogue, but personally I feel it as if she intentionally ignores the experience of other heroes, simply pretending it does not exist, only to make Achilles and Patroclus as a pair look exceptional!
I have a question, not out of hatred or irritation, but simply out of curiosity and an attempt to understand: do people who like this exact quote simply adore beautiful, intentionally embellished quotes for the sake of beautiful drama, or do they genuinely not know a single hero besides Achilles who was happy?
Because the ending of Achilles and Patroclus’ relationship says the opposite. Knowing that ending, I would confidently say to Achilles from TSOA: "No, Achilles! If we follow YOUR own logic, you are NOT the first, but ONE among the majority of heroes exactly like the others!" Because Achilles did not end well, just like most heroes, and if the reason for Achilles’ happiness is Patroclus, then EVEN MORE SO, they are not an exception to the rules, but exactly the same case, because MOST heroes, if not every single one of them, had reasons during life to be both happy and unhappy. Do not pretend this is not true! And do not take away the experience of other heroes just to make your own story look beautiful compared to others!
And yes, I am not some passionate hater of TSOA, moreover, I want every person to have the right to love what they love. But I do not understand why these exact words are quoted so often, when I know perfectly well that this is NOT TRUE, and intentionally so!
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I don't think the author is claiming that Achilles is the only hero who is happy, the way I interpreted that was Achilles claiming that his story will be viewed as the happiest of happily ever after. All the other stories highlighted the hardships and struggle and ultimately the tragedy of the hero's life. He was claiming that his story will be known because it was happy. He makes patroclus swear because according to Achilles the only reason for his story to be happy is him. I think this scene shows two naive young boys who think they will be the first to not be one of the tragic tales. The fans went feral over this because we know that's now how the story goes. We know that their story will be the most tragic. The author did not erase others moments of happiness. It's just that the highlight of their story is the tragedy and Achilles wants the highlight of his story to be it's joy.
That just makes the end more tragic..
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Like relatable and understandable goals, but... why would you go about it like that? I know you were desperate and manipulated and scared but still...
The Calypso sequence in BOTL is very good.
For the romance, yes - I do think it is frankly astonishing that Percy and Calypso manage to be such a memorable couple despite interacting for (legitimately, no joke) one SINGULAR chapter out of a five-book narrative. And the sequence works well when it comes to further complicating Percy and Annabeth's relationship at the very worst possible time (although the Rachel-quest plot would have been plenty. It still adds to the nuance and the drama of it all in a way that did rewire my adolescent brain chemistry).
But Percy's encounter with Calypso truly does permanently change him - and it's because what she offers him is safety and avoidance. Both of which Percy desperately wants.
I think it is obvious that Percy is captivated and does fall for Calypso as a person. But it's impossible to divorce her from her island - and that's kind of the whole point of the whole sequence, isn't it?
The chapter is literally titled "I Take A Permanent Vacation." Ironic, funny, but also very poignant to frame it this way. Percy is literally burning to death and hurtling towards the earth like a comet the chapter before, he's so injured he can't stand up for more than a couple minutes at a time, he's comatose for like half the time he's even on the island. Nothing about this is anyone's idea of a dream vacation. But for the first time in his entire experience in the mythological world, he's in a beautiful paradise that truly is a beautiful paradise - not a trap or a gimmick. The protection is real. And the company is good. And so in that regard it very much does read like a vacation from his daily struggle of world-ending stakes and constant danger. He's offered the chance to have this forever.
What's beautiful about this offer is that it truly comes with no strings attached. He can stay as long as he wants and leave whenever he wants. It's the most convenient, most pleasant path to immortality you could ever imagine. He doesn't have to sacrifice his humanity to achieve it.
When Calypso makes her offer, she specifically contextualizes it in terms of avoiding the war and the prophecy. Two things which the reader already knows: Percy does NOT want to face.
"You would never age or die. You could leave the fight to others, Percy Jackson. You could escape your prophecy.”
And the reason it works so well is because he really, really does want this:
I stared at the horizon. The first red streaks of dawn were lightening the sky. I could stay here forever, disappear from the earth. I could live with Calypso, with invisible servants tending to my every need. We could grow flowers in the garden and talk to songbirds and walk on the beach under perfect blue skies. No war. No prophecy. No more taking sides.
It's an offer for literal escapism. To a kid whose identity is partially formed around the concept of never feeling safe - even more than that, to a kid whose very existence is perceived as such a threat that the gods have discussed killing him to minimize collateral damage. And he has just had to come to terms with the fact that he is dangerous and he really can cause very severe damage to the world.
The thing about this offer is that it's not even real, it's an illusion - should Percy actually do this, there's no reason to believe that Kronos' conquest would not touch Ogygia. She's the daughter of Atlas, imprisoned for fighting on Kronos' side in the first war. She's probably getting broken out, at least at some point, even if it takes them a few hudred years or so to get around to it - or perhaps the magic of Ogygia (enforced by the gods, at least in PJO canon) would simply stop binding Calypso once Olympus is overthrown. Regardless, it doesn't matter - because Percy's decision is not about reality. It's actually the opposite. When faced with a chance to avoid his fate without anyone knowing - Hephaestus has explicitly said that he didn't tell any of Percy's friends that he's alive because he wasn't sure if he was coming back! - what will he do? Is he in this war by choice, or because he has no other option? It's a reinforcement of his decision to claim the prophecy to protect Nico from it at the end of TTC, but I would argue that it's stronger, because nobody is watching him in this moment but Calypso, who wants him to stay. There's nothing to be gained for Percy by leaving - nobody is going to know how selfless this decision is. He doesn't get credit for this moment of heroism. It's not showy. And he chooses to keep it private after he returns.
This decision also comes on the heels of Calypso and Percy's conversation about why she fought for Kronos in the first war. Percy's worldview has been challenged before, but really only by Luke, the antagonist. But this is coming from someone Percy likes, admires, associates with goodness. And she asks him a question that Percy will struggle to answer: "do you support the gods because they are good, or because they are your family?”
This question is going to be a really, really important one in the next book, and this moment sets up for that perfectly.
It's really no wonder that he specifically asked the gods to set her free as part of his wish. It's also no wonder that he leaves this encounter feeling like she'll always be his biggest "what if." Yes - romantic, sure. But it was much more than that. And it did change him.
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