Opinion on the rather meteoric rise of vigilantes and powered heros in the gotham area? ((Aka the "only in gotham" crowd))
There's a lot of rumors that it's all part of the so called bat clan but ....I doubt they all know eachother that well.
Gotham is a very particular town, as anyone who's grown up there will tell you. And as you will be told even more LOUDLY by anyone who didn't grow up in the city but DID grow up within worthwhile driving distance of it. No one shit talks Gotham more than Metropolis, is all I'm saying.
And one of the reasons that Gotham stands out so strongly in the modern day is the sheer roster of superheroes that it has stalking its streets. The categorization or which has become a semi-eternal bugbear of my entire profession. Though there is a theory starting to make the rounds that begins to explain, in a colloquial sense, what might be going on here.
Let's talk about the Gotham Theory.
(Someone caught a VERY good picture of a handful of the Batman Family swooping down from above RIGHT as a lightning flash illuminates them all)
The Gotham theory is simple enough to explain so I can do just that.
Let's take the first superhero present in a city, in this case Batman. He starts of visibly alone perhaps with some civilian assistance behind the scenes but we can never be sure of that. He makes a name for himself, not only among normal criminals but among the superhuman criminals that begin to appear alongside him. His adventures and the image of him spread to the world at large and soon enough he's a local legend and a known quantity among the rest of the population.
And then, he takes a partner. In this case the original Robin.
HOW this came about we have no idea. Whether he's Batman's actual firstborn son, a clone of somebody, or a random person that got wrapped up in the same tides of emotion and history that gave rise to Batman himself. But now our single hero has a branch, he's set down a root. Then there's a Batgirl, and then there's a second Robin, then there's Nightwing (probably also the first Robin but it makes the point), and a Huntress, and Azrael, and a 3rd Robin, and Batwing, and the Signal, and a 2nd and 3rd Batgirl and on and on and on. The more of them there are the more of them there always tends to be and they come closer together in time and geography. Eventually it reaches a point where heroes begin to appear who aren't directly rooted in the Batman's iconography and motifs. The entire city becomes a wellspring of heroes not only within the community itself but across the world with heroes like Nightrunner in Paris or even Man-of-Bats right in South Dakota.
The Gotham Theory posits that once a hero takes a partner, of any kind, whether they be a sidekick, direct co-equal, costumed spouse, what have you that it exponentially begins to increase the RATE at which OTHER partners and etc will appear. If a superhero adopts a ward, then that shows them that they can. And it becomes a possible solution for them should they see ANOTHER child in distress without a home to go back to. Perhaps they have a sister who went through the same trauma as them. Perhaps a clone created for malicious purposes is offered a family instead. A former criminal enemy is shown a path to redemption. A civilian ally begins to feel they can contribute more directly to the cause, etc, etc, etc. Once the gate is open, every person who passes through leaves it open a little wider.
Now this is all dependent on the relation the members of the Bat Clan have to one another. Like I've said in previous asks there's no way for us to know that. Batman and his partners have the most locked tight secret identities in the business and whatever interpersonal drama they might or might not have going on, they're not sharing. Put the theory itself holds observable water in other cities too. The Flash Family in Central-Keystone or the Superman Family right across the bay in Metropolis. Once superheroes welcome others into their proverbial fold it becomes easier to do it the next time.
There's probably some very heartwarming lesson here about learning to let people in.
reading david zavimbe's batwing run is crazy bc i can only interpret it as the story of a white savior archetype (Batman) witnessing a Black African man with severe C-PTSD (David) and "empowering" him via technology & mentoring to destroy himself in much the same way Batman does, only without the social & economic safety net Bruce has as a wealthy white USAmerican. but it's so patently obvious that Winick had no idea he was writing this. he genuinely believes he's written Bruce as a hero.
I know it's because most people haven't read Batwing but it's a little funny to see 'Bruce recruits child soldiers' discussions and nobody mention the actual ex-child soldier he recruited and kinda sorta made 10 times worse
so obsessed with david zavimbe being proof that the only way to have a tolerable relationship with batman is to be on a different continent from him most of the time
Here we come to DC’s favorite slate of titles (as well as the one I have the most familiarity with myself), the Bats!
These were the premier DC books coming out when I started reading monthlies, and I’ll admit upfront I felt a bit of unexpected nostalgia reading these. This took me back to playing Arkham Origins with that suit equipped, and that was nice.
But was it nice enough to pick up some second issues? Let’s find out together! As usual, read @zahri-melitor’s thoughts here.
Batman
I hate to sound like a total casual, but alas I do think that this was the best first issue of the New 52 thus far.
I know, I know, but damn. This was class.
Now I have read this before, but I completely forgot how good this first issue was. Down the line, everything I want from a first issue is here.
Introduce the reader to our hero and let them get a feel for his personality and style of heroism? Check.
Meet as much of the important supporting cast as possible? Check.
Give us a compelling story or satisfying portion of a larger story? Check.
Set us up with the arc? Check.
Nothing but net.
And this issue didn’t just meet my expectations, it exceeded them. We met all the Robins (minus Jason), Jim, Alfred, Bullock, and a good portion of the rogues all in a row. We established a fantastic mystery. And we didn’t just get a feel for Batman and co., but Gotham as a setting. And we even got to see Bruce trying to use his money for the betterment of the city, which at that point was just gravy.
And all of that is without talking about Greg Capullo’s incredible art.
Everything he draws feels so much nastier and grittier than it does under anyone else’s pencils. Love it so much. Tons of detail on every page, the art is as much a treat as the mystery (and that is saying something). This is still what I think of when I think “2010s Batman.”
I could go on, but honestly Snyder and Capullo’s Batman is probably the most discussed title from the New 52, and so let’s just skip to the inevitable:
The Verdict: 👍👍👍
Detective Comics
Well, it wasn’t terrible.
That’s something?
The characterization for Batman is decent, he prioritizes saving the kid at the start and tries to avoid getting those cops hurt at the end. That’s good! We get some time with Alfred and Commissioner Gordon, which is nice.
However, the book just didn’t give me much to work with beyond some decent showing for Batman and good art. Both of which I can get plus more from Batman, which is usually ‘Tec’s weakness. It needs a separate lane, and it chose one that didn’t do much for me.
While Batman introduced us to all the parts of the Batverse I love and cherish (or at least a decent chunk of them), this showcased a part I’m very sick of and hate.
The Joker. It’s da Jokah. Jokes on you. Folie à deux. Society.
Yeah, I pretty much hate the Joker at this point, so ‘Tec #1 being about Batman’s rivalry with the clown instantly killed my interest. Now that shouldn’t keep me from reading the series, but beyond “Batman vs. Joker” this issue gave me next to nothing to latch onto.
The issue for both Action and Detective Comics is that despite being the older, more important titles, they will always have to justify their own existence. Often one tries a short-term gimmick, AC being a prequel is a great example. Here, this is just an alternate creative team. Usually that’s fine! That’s enough, generally speaking! But the title it’s offering counter-bat-programming to is The Court of Owls. That’d be hard for a great pitch. This is just Batman vs. Joker until Mistah J gets his face cut off.
Ew.
The Verdict: 👎
Batwoman
This?
This was great.
Did not expect to like this as much as I did. I mostly know W. Haden Blackman from his Star Wars related works, but I should have known that this was going to be good since I really love those EU comics.
Should we start with the art? We must. It’s breathtaking. The subtle shifts in texture setting different tones? Magnificent. It’s worth reading just for the art.
What of the story? Well, it’s a damn intriguing mystery we’re presented with, so it’s already above a lot of these previous #1s. We also get introduced to all the characters relatively cleanly (maybe could have used some elaboration for Bette, but that’s okay). Towards the end they tried to bring in perhaps a bit too much at once, so I would still rank this below Batman, but not far below. In fact, this is probably my second favorite from the issues we’ve read thus far.
Not only am I checking the rest of the series out, I think I’ll spring for the omnibus.
The Verdict: 👍👍👍
Batman: The Dark Knight
I’m sensing a pattern, great issue —> bad issue.
What was the point of that?
I gave some shit to ‘Tec for not justifying its existence, but it’s ‘Tec.
That is to say Detective Comics.
The namesake for the company, and by extension the fictional universe.
‘Tec will run as long as DC exists, and frankly N52’s was okay. Not great, but not the worst thing ever. A touch standard, with the Joker and everything. But in 2011—before the massive oversaturation of the character—I probably would have been down with a Joker story. Especially one that looked that good. This? Nah. No, even.
Part of the issue is that Finch’s art doesn’t do much for me. It’s better than I am or will ever be capable of, but it’s not to my taste. That’s a personal thing, won’t hold that against it here. The problem is it doesn’t offer me much to keep going. We’re basically doing an inverted version of Snyder’s Batman #1, but without the cool mystery.
Who is the White Rabbit? Who cares?
I’m more interested in why she decided to wear that into the nastiest, grossest place I could think of. You are asking for some kind of infection.
Also the whole “chase me” thing, ain’t that Catwoman’s beat? Lemme tell ya, there is about a zero percent chance of you replacin’ Catwoman with White Rabbit.
That just leaves the last page reveal. Behold, the horror of One-Face!
Do I even need to say it?
The Verdict: 👎
Batman and Robin
This was a really good issue. Tomasi is one of my favorite writers, and Patrick Gleason is among my favorite artists. Together, they’re one of my favorite creative duos. Both of which are at the top of their game here. They establish the relationship between Bruce and Damian perfectly, and more impressive to me is there is an attempt to have Bruce start moving on. To build his family, rather than look back on the past. Literally word for word exactly what I want.
I wouldn’t read the second issue if you paid me.
I just do not like Damian. I don’t, and even though he’s grown on me a touch since 2011, I still do not want to read this much of him. Especially before the development from Tomasi and Gleason (a catch-22, I know).
Ironically, I did pull this back in the day, but only after Damian died because I wanted to read the Batman team-ups.
The Verdict: 👎
Batgirl
Barbara Gordon is one of my favorite characters ever. Having the opportunity to read her adventures in a monthly solo is extremely tempting! However, my Babs is Oracle. Not to disparage her time as Batgirl—she’s also my Batgirl—but because her stories as the DCU’s information broker are some of the most emotionally powerful comics I’ve ever read. Pushing all of that aside to return her to being Batgirl? That’s a tough sell.
Luckily, they tapped the right creator. Gail Simone’s tenure on Birds of Prey featured some of the best comics I’ve ever read, and plenty of great Babs stories. She gets this character, and if I had to pick someone to take her out of the chair, it would be Gail.
On that note, this was a very strong issue. The writing was impeccable, and the art by Ardian Syaf? I couldn’t ask for better. Barbara looks so beautiful, and at no point did they feel the need for an indulgent shot of Babs in a state of undress (which cannot be said for literally any other woman-led title minus Supergirl so far). I’m not completely happy with the costume, but I’m not happy with anything short of the 1970s blue & grey or Bruno Redondo’s redesign. Very picky about my Batgirl.
The timeline was completely fucked—she got shot three years ago on a five year timeline, was she Batgirl for 20 seconds?—but that’s to be expected from New 52. Given the compression in the Bat-Titles, there really wasn’t anything to be done in that regard. We’re lucky she exists.
Now how did this shake out as Barbara’s return to Batgirl? Well, we don’t get a ton of details. This was more about her mental state going back to crimefighting than the mechanics. We see a great scene with Jim, Babs moving out and getting a new roommate, then her blowing a fight with “mirror guy” when he pointed a gun at her stomach. Fine for a first issue, but to have a fully developed take I’ll need some more material. Luckily for Batgirl…
The Verdict: 👍
Batwing
This issue was why I started this whole retrospective! Or at least a contributing factor. Zahri told me this series was pretty good, and so I decided to add it to the list. That led me to putting a bunch more New 52 titles in rotation, and soon enough I figured it would be easier to just read every first issue.
So how was it? Very decent! Admittedly, I’m a sucker from heroes outside of the US. My favorite late stage New Titan is Red Star, the only takeaway I had from Knightsquest: The Search was that the Hood was cool.
Here, we get everything I ask for. We see David as a hero, set up a status quo for him, and as a treat establish some history for a team of African heroes. Absolutely love that. Also love the art by Ben Oliver.
Don’t have much more to add, other than I look forward to #2!
The Verdict: 👍
Catwoman
So recently I’ve developed a fondness for Catwoman. I’ve always liked her, but after playing through TellTale Batman I really fell in love with Selina properly. As such, I’ve been on the search for some Catwoman reading. I’ve read up through her Contagion tie-in for her 1993 series, and intend on reading Brubaker here soon, but what about the New 52?
No thanks, I’m good.
First off: there’s nothing here to convince me to keep reading. It’s a completely standard Catwoman story, which would be fine if this was #21. It’s not. I’m trying to compile a list of titles I could reasonably keep track of, and this isn’t offering anything I couldn’t get from any other Catwoman run. Probably done more tastefully. I’m trying to read Devin Grayson’s Catwoman, and that’s already much more engaging, so why should I read this?
Second: there’s also an outrageous amount of boobs in this issue. Now, I am not a prude. I don’t mind sex or nudity in comics. Two things:
Every woman-led title outside of Supergirl and Batgirl—including Batwoman—has had some female nudity so it’s not unique.
That’s really all that’s on offer here.
Selina spends about as much time naked as she does as Catwoman. Now to be fair, sexuality is an integral part of Selina’s character. You expect some discussion on sex from a Catwoman book, but after reading a book like Her Sister’s Keeper, you kinda hold the books following that to a higher standard than “hehe bewbs.”
The 90s series at least gave us interesting heists. This just had Bat/Cat sex. Which…I mean I get it, but again that’s all they’re bringing to the table. They charged $2.99 for this. I expect more entertainment than a king-sized Twix bar.
The Verdict: 👎
Nightwing
Y’know, despite my previous ramblings, I don’t actually have much of substance to say on this one! It was good, decent even, but it’s still trying to set up the status quo coming from Dick-as-Batman AND a full reboot. Really, Dick Grayson was one of the characters most screwed by the time compression of the New 52, but that is a discussion for a full retrospective on Nightwing.
For this, what can I say? I don’t like the logo, for one. The 1996 logo was so perfect, with this they stick a Bat on the back to remind you this is a Bat-Title. Thanks.
Also the suit, god I really do not like the red. The bird is bad enough, but the eyes are red too? That’s way too far. Dick gets enough Daredevil comparisons without that.
I found a photoshop of the the suit in blue on Reddit, as well as a NYCC exclusive statue with the blue. Both of which look absolutely ace, so I could theoretically get over it. That said, I’m also not crazy about the bird being that big. It looks fat.
The focus on the circus is nice, always good to bring that back in some way, and I like the symbolism of starting there during a reboot.
I really wish more of the supporting cast was fleshed out. That was one of the best parts about the Dixon era, the supporting cast and the city itself were all fleshed out and interesting! The villains…well the villains looked cool and that is enough for me. This new villain? Eh. Doesn’t look that cool to be honest. I would have preferred if they brought in Shrike, who is the character the new guy reminds me of, or better yet Lady Vic. Or honestly any of Dick’s actual villains. Also Blüdhaven. Why are we back in Gotham again, actually? This is a reboot! If Ted Kord is still alive, the ‘Haven has to be kickin’! Whatever.
Anyway, I’ll say I like the art and the voice for Dick enough that I would read the next issue, even though I was guaranteed to do so regardless since I’m literally reading every Nightwing issue.
The Verdict: 👍
Birds of Prey
Unfortunately, I do have to maintain some level of consistency, so if I gave Justice League all that heat I have to do so here as well. The team on the cover is not in the issue. Instant fail.
Beyond that, this really didn’t have the sauce. Now, my favorite character is missing from the line-up, so perhaps that is a factor here, but Barbara does make an appearance! It’s just not, well, good, but it’s here. You’d think Dinah seeing her best friend up and walking around would elicit more of a response than, “you look good, Red.”
Beyond that, no Huntress? No Lady Blackhawk? Katana is on the cover and has a very brief appearance, but what about Judomaster? Big Barda? Manhunter? Poison Ivy is promised on the cover, but like I said she ain’t in the ish. There’s a new character, but honestly she comes off as exponentially less fun Zinda.
Now is Dinah at least portrayed well? Sure, but her costume is a bit of a mess. BC is a hard one, but both of her main looks in BOP were excellent. What happened here?
All in all, while I will be reading on, that is completely out of obligation (me and my big mouth saying I’ll read every single issue of BOP).
The Verdict: 👎
Red Hood and the Outlaws
Ah, finally we come to a real bad one.
Now I am a bit of a known Jason Todd hater. I would dispute this, since I like him as Robin, and don’t even completely dislike him as Red Hood, it’s just I don’t see where he fits into the Batfamily dynamic while still keeping the things fans like about him.
ANYWAY. I think I see a vision here. Not the one they went with, but something. Both Roy and Kory (that is the correct spelling, by the way) have struggled with the whole “superheroes don’t kill” paradigm. Both have met Jason before he was Red Hood. That’s already something to work with. Maybe Jason twists them further to the dark side, maybe they pull him to the light. There’s room for development either way.
That is not what we have here.
Instead we waste most of the pagecount ogling Koriand’r.
This is another issue that’s been talked to absolute death and back (not unlike its protagonist), but I’m here for a good time not a sensible-use-of-time. Roy and Jason suck. They’re lecherous pervs who fire off terrible puns. All of the great development Roy had—addiction, recovery, raising Lian—that’s all gone. Jason? Jason didn’t have much to start with, so it doesn’t feel like anything is lost per se, but this does not feel like an interesting direction for him anyway. Then, there’s Starfire.
Oh boy, Starfire. Princess Koriand’r of Tamaran. My favorite of the New Titans.
What did they do to you?
Okay, so much like Catwoman, saying Starfire is sexualized is a bit like saying water is wet: this ain’t some revelation. This is effectively an intrinsic part of her character. Now, whether someone is on board with that is a different story, but I can say having read all of New Teen Titans and New Titans (very much unlike many of the people who talk about those books) that I found her to be a compelling character. She was someone who loved openly and honestly, and who didn’t like being bogged down in pretense, or being looked down upon. That to me is admirable!
The writing for her in NTT was…well to say it was brazenly misogynistic would be generous, but it was a character. There are things she would and wouldn’t do, and you as the reader understood or at least could guess at what those might be. She had convictions that were tested.
This version of Starfire? Well she’s basically described as being a goldfish, she can’t distinguish one human from another. When Roy asks her if she remembers Dick, she just says, “No.” Even as someone who isn’t particularly fond of Dick/Kory, that was brutal.
Beyond that, we have her general treatment. I know I was talking shit earlier about Catwoman, but this is a whole new level of tasteless.
This is senseless.
This is every panel featuring Kory has her basically naked.
Yeah, that’s her standard costume anyway, right thanks for the insight, haha. Good one.
Well, we get that costume for two pages, and then beyond that she is in the teeniest, tiniest micro bikini I’ve ever seen. And from what I understand, it was originally supposed to be translucent. Like I said, we’re so far from tasteless and now entering the territory of sleaze. When she has sex with Roy at the end of the issue, she says the only thing to know about making love to a Tamaranean is, “love has nothing to do with it.”
What?
No really, what?
Literally the thing she and her culture are most known for is its strong sense of love and duty. Am I then only person on Earth who’s actually read NTT from start to finish? Why does this keep happening? How does no one know anything about this character?
Anyway, honestly there isn’t much else to say. The art is all good, no complaints there. I like Rocafort’s work. Could do with less ogling, however. The redesigns? None of them impress me. Starfire’s is just worse, Roy’s big addition was a trucker hat, and why did we give Jason’s helmet a mouth? Now it just looks…uncanny.
The story? What story? The bad one? We break Roy out of prison, Kory kills a bunch of guards, they talk on the beach, then Jason sneaks out after Roy and Koriand’r have sex. Damn, now that’s riveting.
Mystery? Mystery of why I’m still writing when I have nothing else left to say.
Establishing characters? Yeah, bad ones.
At least everyone on the cover is in the book. Worst issue so far.
The Verdict: 👎👎👎👎👎👎
And with that, the we come to the end of another slate of books. The strongest so far, along with two of the weakest issues. Still a ton of fun, however. At least the good stuff. Next time: we go green!