#mcu phase 1

[thelightcomingthroughthewindow]

God why don’t I live in the universe where The Hawkeye and the Black Widow prequel movie came out in 2011.

[vandalia1998]

[velvet4510]

Best MCU Phase 1 film?

Iron Man

The Incredible Hulk

Iron Man 2

Thor

Captain America: The First Avenger

The Avengers

Voting ended onMar 26, 2025

[dagalaxyserpent]

From MCU Phase 1, which of the movies do you/would rewatch?

Iron Man 1

The Incredible Hulk

Iron Man 2

Thor

Captain America: The First Avenger

The Avengers

None of them.

Some of them.

All of them.

Voting ended onJan 26, 2025

[supervillainarchaeologist]

hey, i just rewatched thor 1 a couple of days ago, as well as its end credit scene. im not sure if i missed something with it, but it seems that loki already appears to have some semblance of control or coercion over selvig before avengers 2012

unless im missing/forgot something, how would loki be able to do this before using the scepter? also, why would he even need the secpter to make the control when he already had coercion? we (from my knowledge) don't ever see that type of ability again in the mcu from loki after that scene, so is it just another aspect of his power set that wasn't mentioned in the film before that scene?

thanks for your time, i hope i find out that i was just being silly about this lol

Thank you for the ask about this even though I am not sure if I can remember enough to give you a satisfactory answer! I will certainly try my best, it has been a while since I have watched Thor 1 (I am overdue a re-watch) and obviously Marvel has messed around with Loki's powers so much in every continuity I can think of that I believe this might be one of those things where it's more fanon/headcanons than anything the MCU explicitly stated. Or even if they did, they forgot about it or ignored it.

First of all, in the first Thor film there are references to Loki's ability to influence people, but they're mainly about his conversational and manipulation skills. I wouldn't like to say for sure if this is a skill enhanced with magic because I prefer the idea that as well as being a master sorcerer, Loki can hold his own in other areas as well. We know he's supposed to be intelligent and a schemer.

In terms of the sceptre, this is one of those things where I get really annoyed with Marvel/Disney because it feels like with each passing year they diminish further all of Loki's natural skills contributing to anything and imply that he couldn't have done it without another unrelated magical toy.

But I have to address that when Loki projects himself to manipulate Selvig, we just don't know 100% what has gone on in the Void. The start of The Avengers implies that The Other hands over the sceptre only when Loki is about to go through the portal to Midgard, does this mean that if you accept Loki isn't able to influence by himself that either he was given the sceptre or someone else (Thanos, The Other?) is waving it around off-screen and channeling it through Loki to Selvig?

Even though it was never shown (and probably never will be now, thanks Disney) we know that Loki was tortured. However, even then I feel like Thanos would be an idiot to give Loki the sceptre any length of time pre-invasion unsupervised as even if it's enhancing all of Loki's negative traits (we know he wasn't completely mind controlled but we know the Mind Stone manipulated him and fuelled his rage, he wasn't entirely himself) there's got to be a small part of him that would try to use the sceptre to escape.

In the comics Loki often has the ability to communicate with people, even influence people by projecting his thoughts or his astral form or whatever you want to consider it into their minds or in their general vicinity. It's MCU canon that he can project a duplicate of himself, and conceal it from view if necessary, across space - though again this seems to be an ability that was mostly quietly dropped after Thor 2011/The Avengers. As much as I adore Loki in TDW, I was kinda disappointed that his ability to move unseen between worlds was just down to a regular-ass extra portal and not because he has found a way to slip and wander between branches of Yggdrasil using his seidr - which is my personal hc. In Ragnarok he projects himself into Thor's cell but as is usually the case with Ragnarok, it's main purpose is to set up a joke (and also make Thor look like a jerk when Loki is trying to relate to him based on being lied to!)

So this is all a very long winded way of saying I don't think the writers really thought about it but the fandom has filled in the gaps as best they can, while at the same time recognising that in canon a lot of plot points don't make sense if Loki has the ability.

My preferred interpretation of the Selvig scene is that he can influence people by getting into their heads, which is a magically ability enhanced by his natural skill as a great talker. But Marvel just forgets he can do it whenever its convenient. Basically what they do with every single power Loki has ever displayed in the MCU other than illusion casting and throwing knives like a circus performer. I like thinking about Loki even though I feel like 90% of my answers and thoughts are nonsense! But you're not being silly thinking about this either, a lot of folk have been trying to make it make sense and fit for over a decade now!

[secondstar-acorn]

I’ve been rewatching phase 1 recently and it’s just been this the entire time

[thena0315]

Phase 1 had a lot of good characters that debuted

[thena0315]

Favorite Completed MCU Phase?