My name is Cosmo ! This is my fun anti-willo gimmick blog :D
♡ - I'm a P-DID/OSDD 1a [diagnosed] system! I have osdd 1a but my system functions like a p-did system, they could not diagnose me with P-DID due to it not being in the DSM-5.
♡ - I have diagnosed BPD + OCD !
I'm a fictionkin of Cosmo from dandy's world! Maybe sourced off of him? I don't know how to tell </3
♡ - I'm a trans man! I use He/It/Pup and we/us. I'm also omniflux and aceflux
♡ - I do not care abt harrassment, although I am a bit addicted to responding to them with an argument. It doesn't upset me tho!
♡ - This blog has no DNI if you're here to debate/state your opinion. My stances on discourse are:
Anti Endo/Willo/Non-Cultural Tulpamancy
Anti HARMFUL paraphilias and transIDs
Anti cluster-B demonization AND romanticization
Anti radqueer, darkshipping and radfems
and more I'll be talking about in specific posts
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#♡ - Baking - Yapping/Ranting abt non-discourse related things
#♡ - Burning the cake - Replying or ranting about discourse
#♡ - Baking with friends - Advertising my friends/mutuals accounts or replying to them
#♡ - Eating - Reblogging takes I agree with
♡ - Asks are always open! Please send us some no matter your stance, we like to debate/argue!
♡ - I'm probably gonna take a break from Tumblr for a bit, I need less things to zone out on and our mental health has been consistantly plummetting for about a week or two now and it's not getting any better. We use distractions and we won't be gone forever but it's not healthy for us to be switching from scrolling tumblr to scrolling tiktok to scrolling twitter.
We will come back! But unfortunately this is just something we need to do right now. It may only be a few days it may be a few weeks, so I can't tell you exactly how long.
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♡ - Hello I'd like to speak on this topic for those asking what being a polymind is! When looking at info you may see people saying its just "endogenic logic rebranded" but if you look deeper its not!
Endogenic logic is the idea that one can form a system, or different "personalities" in your head that resemble a CDD system [one caused by DID, OSDD, P-DID etc]. Or that non CDDs can cause systemhood. These claims are FALSE! Only CDDs can cause "plurality" that resemble or act like a CDD system.
Polymindence is seeing your subpersonalities as seperate people [when realistically they are not!]. It's commonly used as a coping mechanism in people with disorders that cause identity confusion [such as BPD] but may not be systems entirely. It is potentially dangerous and not something to reccomend to others without knowing the dangers of it! "Becoming" a polymind can lead to worse identity confusion, dissociation/derealization and sometimes delusions/psychosis. The term Polymindence was for people who saw their subpersonalities as seperate people BEFORE learning what the label was, and needed a way to label their expirience.
Polyminded people are SINGLETS, and in system spaces they are singlets first. They may use the label "plural" because of seeing themselves as multiple people, that plurality is NOT the same as plurality in a systemhood way and I'm personally neutral on Polyminds using the term.
Polymindence is not a disability, it is a coping mechanism.
They are fine as long as they stay out of system-only spaces in my opinion! If a space welcomes singlets they can join as well.
It is harmful to include them in endogenic terms because a lot of them aren't trying to copy systems and just want a label for their coping mechanism! If they don't invade system spaces and don't advocate for the demedicalization of CDDs and don't claim that its a disorder, they are fine.
Please ask questions about this to me if you'd like! I used to identify with the label before figuring out I had P-DID and I've done a lot of research.
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Please stop and read for a few minutes to help support stigmatized people with dissociative disorders
This isn't for a financial cause, a political statement, or an obligation on your part. You are fully allowed to scroll by. However, you reading and reblogging this post could help save people from falling into ableist ideology. At the very least, please read the TLDRs under each section of this post to understand the gist of the situation, and share
But first, some background, and a vocabulary lesson
What is this post about?
This post is a PSA to spread awareness on the topic of endogenic systems and the Empowered Multiples Movement. This post is strictly against their ideals and is an in-depth explanation of how people in these movements came to be that way, why their actions are harmful to people with dissociative disorders, and what you can do to prevent their ideology from spreading and harming others.
What's the vocabulary we need to know? And what is a complex dissociative disorder?
A complex dissociative disorder is a disorder caused in the developmental stages of a child's life (ages around 4-10 years old, sometimes younger) where the brain develops personality. It is exclusively caused by trauma being inflicted on the child that causes them to dissociate to help them tolerate the trauma or memories of the trauma.
It is a covert disorder, which means it hides its symptoms from its holder, making it difficult for many people to recognize that they are systems or seek help on the matter.
(For extra clarification, this definition is for complex dissociative disorders, and does not include dp/dr or those under that umbrella)
And some vocab...
System
A broad term to refer to someone who claims to have multiple personality states. Despite originally being medical terminology, this term has been stolen by endogenic people.
Singlet
A term to refer to those without dissociative disorders, whose minds present as one connected personality state without dissociative barriers. The average person is this way.
pwCDD
Stands for 'person with a complex dissociative disorder' or 'people with complex dissociative disorders'. Refers to anyone who presents as having a dissociative disorder.
Traumagenic
A term for systems who claims to have their system or personality states borne from trauma. This term has been forced upon people with CDDs in order to differentiate themselves from endogenic systems.
Endogenic
An umbrella term for someone who claims to not have their system or personality states borne from trauma, but from some other reason. Some additions in this umbrella include willogenic, tulpagenic, etc.
Final Fusion
A term to refer to when a pwCDD has their final two personality states merge with each other to create one distinct personality state without dissociative or memory barriers, after intensive therapy and cooperation to integrate these states and remove barriers. While not every system wants to have final fusion, it is generally considered a good thing to look towards and a sign of recovery.
But how do we know that endogenic systems are not real or connected to pwCDDs?
TLDR: Because all psychiatric evidence points against the correlation of endogenic systems and dissociative systems, and there is not much information or proper studies about them existing at all.
The criteria for dissociative identity disorder (DID), the most well known dissociative disorder, is as follows (according to the DSM-5):
The existence of two or more distinct identities (or “personality states”).
The distinct identities are accompanied by changes in behavior, memory and thinking.
The signs and symptoms may be observed by others or reported by the individual. Ongoing gaps in memory about everyday events, personal information and/or past traumatic events.
The symptoms cause significant distress or problems in social, occupational or other areas of functioning.
In addition, the disturbance must not be a normal part of a broadly accepted cultural or religious practice. As noted in the DSM-5-TR1, in many cultures around the world, experiences of being possessed are a normal part of spiritual practice and are not dissociative disorders.
The above statement says it all. Endogenic systems could be considered disturbances created by cultural (see: endo spaces online) or religious (see: the theft of tulpamancy and creation of 'tulpagenic' by endogenic systems online) practices. They do not classify as dissociative disorders and therefore should stay out of areas intended for pwCDDs, and not use the medical terminology for those people.
Why are endogenic systems harmful?
TLDR: Because endogenic systems steal medical terminology and prevent real systems from discovering themselves and seeking help, as well as show an incorrect and romanticized view of dissociative disorders
Endogenic systems break into system spaces by taking medical terminology like 'parts', 'system', 'alters', 'personalities', 'inner world/mindscape', 'fragment', 'persecutor', the list goes on. Endogenic systems take these terms and often misinterpret them, because all of these terms can only manifest in a person if they are a pwCDD who has experienced trauma in their childhood.
Additionally, endogenic systems often spread ideology in their spaces that pertains to hiding or ignoring specific parts of this identity to pwCDDs; an example is how endogenic systems are often against people looking into therapy or recovery, or the idea of final fusion, because endogenic systems do not see dissociative disorders as a DISSOCIATIVE disorder, but as an ALTER disorder (i.e they only care for representing the symptom of having other people in their brain). An alter has no reason to exist if not to protect oneself from trauma... and if you don't have trauma that formed your system, it's impossible to form one.
Endogenic systems often romanticize this idea of being a system: they want to have 'friends in their head' who 'help them with tasks', but are unwilling to accept or acknowledge the other symptoms that often come with being a system, like strong dissociation, memory loss, anxiety, delusions, suicidal and self harm ideation, chronic nightmares, chronic headaches/migraines/stomachaches, and more.
This creates not only a misrepresentation of CDDs to pwCDDs, but also to other people online witnessing it, which makes people take the disorder less seriously. An example might be back in 2020 when lots of people on TikTok were faking DID: when people hear the word, they think of people listing their alters and not representing any of the grittier symptoms, and are less likely to listen to these traumatized people because of this recollection of endogenic systems.
All of this combined leads back to the Empowered Multiples Movement, where the idea of endogenic systems started.
Wait, what's the 'Empowered Multiplicity Movement'?
TLDR: it's a movement from the 1990s-2000s that spawned the idea of endogenic systems and advocated for the removal of DID from medical spaces and the DSM-5
Endogenic systems have had a history stretching back to the 1960s where their term was coined by Sigmund Freud (here it was not referring to this idea of systems, but it is the first known mention of the word 'endogenic' in history).
30 or 40 years after the fact, 'Empowered Multiples' began to show up online, where a few select people began to use the term 'endogenic' to refer to themselves as systems without dissociative disorders.
They also advocated for the removal of DID (or, at the time, MPD) from the DSM, said that those who identified with the term DID or CDD labels were inferior and faking, and would encourage people to write papers and articles against the idea of DID and boycott the term online. They specifically used the term 'natural' to refer to being a system.
It's important to know that this was not a movement borne from love. This movement is, palpably, born from the hatred and purposeful stigmatization of people with DID. The people who spawned the term likely never had system experiences or even fully considered themselves true systems, but did this to hurt people who did.
Why should I, a singlet, care?
Because your care (and reblog/share) can help spread this message to those who need it, and let pwCDDs know that they are safe around you/that you won't tolerate ableism.
Those who have experienced dissociative symptoms, but have never cared to seek out more information or a diagnosis because of the misinformation spread by endogenics, could find this post helpful and end up discovering more about themselves, improving their quality of life significantly. If that's you, and you've been relating to the experiences presented here, I highly recommend you look into scholarly/medical sources and look around CDD spaces for more information.
Why should I, an endogenic system, denounce that title?
Because your title is inherently born from the idea that systems are a fake disorder to make fun of, disrespect, misrepresent, and stigmatize.
If you are experiencing symptoms of a CDD, you should look into medical/scholarly sources for more information. You should not fall for the idea that your trauma was "not enough" for you to be a system. You should not fall for the idea that you didn't "have" trauma. Even if you can't remember your trauma, if you experience symptoms of a CDD, you should look into that more deeply. It may help save your life in the future, or improve your quality of life.
For those of you who are endogenic not because you experience symptoms, but because you want to be, I highly recommend you rethink that idea and look into subjects like kinning, alterhumanity, otherkin, fictionkin, etc., all of which are terms for non-disordered people who might have similar (but not the same) experiences as pwCDDs.
Thank you for reading
And a reminder to please reblog if you found this helpful or informative. Let your disordered friends know that they are loved and welcomed in your community without the stigma spread from endogenics being forced onto them.
If you have anything to add, please feel free to in reblogs or comments
♡ - I feel like people who say radnormal is homophobic are homophobic themselves. Do you not see queer people as normal? Do you not see trans people as normal? Or polyamorous people? Why is being "normal" so scary?
I'm radnormal! I'm also a transgender man who uses Xe/He/It and Pup/Pupself pronouns and I'm a massive freak with various mental illnesses and in active recovery for the parts of those mental illnesses that are considered gross and horrible!
And I finally get to be considered "normal"! Do you not understand how WONDERFUL that is? I don't mind spaces where I'm part of specific communities, I love those communities! But I still get to be normal and thats amazing to me.
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if you're queer YOU HAVE to support contradictory labels i am no longer asking.
they do not do anything to harm you. the trans man that lives in Yemen doesn't care you don't think lesbian trans men cannot be possible.
lesbian man, mspec lesbian, gaybian, gay girl, and all of that doesn't need YOU to see them as possible to be able to exist. you cannot try to make yourself look good while policing people's identities
♡ - I'd like to state I'm neutral-positive on good faith contradictory labels! I was unfortunately taught that they were unhealthy for such a long time and because of that I feel a bit uncomfortable around them, but I can rationalize they don't harm anyone and I will never EVER say nobody should identify with them.
Actually I used to identify with a term that was basically the gaybien one back in middle school! We called it sapphillean at the time, And our LOVELY partner identifies as gaybien! Love you <33
Good faith contradictory labels you are WELCOME here! I'd love to get to know you guys more so I don't feel so uncomfortable, because it's something I know I need to work on!
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♡ - Personally I liked it! Spoilers ahead for TADC 9
[TW for mentions of abuse, death, suicide and sexual harassment]
I think Jax being a warning for what could happen if you suffocate and repress yourself was a good choice, its just unfortunate that a decent amount of the TADC fandom doesn't have media literacy and just assumed they made Jax trans because they "needed rep" or even the idea that she was "bad rep"
She was not made to be representation! And she wasn't made to fit YOUR idea of how a trans woman should act like. We have "good" trans rep, thats Zooble. Zooble's entire character was focused on learning its okay to change your body to how it fits, and sometimes change doesn't work but it's okay because you can always try again!
Jax was not made to be seen in a good light, she was not a good person, she was a horrible person actually! She abused Gangle physically constantly, and even shoved the other characters around countless times! It was also found she fantasized about harassing Gangle sexually [in the faux memory where Zooble died]. That's not something to be romanticized and I don't think it ever was.
Jax was a self-insert of Gooseworx, and how Goose would have turned out if she wasnt able to transition or accept herself in that way. A repressed, hateful, spiteful character who killed herself in the end and only realized how bad she was right before she died. Jax DID face consequense, she died. She died knowing full well how horrible of a person she was and that realization did not save her.
Gooseworx is still a bad person though, never properly apologized for her racist and just generally odd jokes. I enjoyed Jax's character though as part of the story in the last episode, I found her annoying the rest of the season if I'm being honest.
ALSO CAN WE PLEASE LEARN! TRANS PEOPLE CAN BE SHITTY PEOPLE being trans does NOT excuse your actions and calling out a trans person for being bad outside of being trans is NOT transphobic!
♡ - To all the pro-life/anti-abortion men out there, If life begins at conception shouldn't child support as well? Since the "baby" needs to be kept healthy too!
I'm strongly pro-choice btw, and the rights of women and anyone other than cis men are actively being taken away all around the world. This is a genuine issue we need to speak louder about.
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I mean, The ICD 11 says that you don't need a disorder to experience multiple "distinct identity states," (the same term it uses for dissociative identities). Transgender Mental Health by Dr Eric Yarbrough has an entire chapter dedicated to plurality that repeatedly affirms that you do not need trauma or a disorder to be plural! The creators of the theory of structural dissociation have said it may be possible to have self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality for reasons other than trauma. Dr. Colin Ross who has spent decades studying trauma and DID has said he believes in multiplicity outside of disorders and trauma.
And those are only a few.
And it's also completely one-sided. Sysmeds have yet to produce one single doctor who has unambiguously said you need to have DID or a dissociative disorder to experience plurality. NOT ONE!
So what is the response? Do these people who claim to be pro psych and following the science change their minds when so many professionals are disagreeing with them?
No way!
For the ICD 11, you have the special pleading. The attempt at interpreting it as not being able to apply to endogenic systems. "The example only mentions spiritual mediums so therefore it doesn't count for endogenic systems." This particular line of thought would suggest the World Health Organization is acknowledging not a psychological phenomena that can present similarly to dissociative disorders, but that it's acknowledging the existence of literal metaphysical spirits… Which would be pretty wild. But of course, nobody actually believes that the ICD 11 is acknowledging that metaphysical spirits exist. Anyone who acts like the WHO is confirming literal spirits over non-disordered plurality is obviously arguing in bad faith.
And now you are beginning to see the absurd standards here. Why would an esteemed psychiatrist need to be a trauma specialist to weigh in on something not being caused by trauma. The DID experts are usually in trauma centers treating patients in psychiatric hospitals with trauma disorders. They are in a field where they would never be exposed to non-traumagenic systems. Meanwhile, Eric Yarbrough is a queer person who specializes in LGBTQ mental health. His profession has been dedicated to studying and advocating for marginalized people who have historically been unfairly pathologized.
If you asked me, someone who actually would be in a position where they would work with non-disordered systems is a more valuable source on this discussion than someone who has only been exposed to patients with trauma disorders.
But this is the argument the sysmed uses to dismiss Yarbrough. Also the argument they use to dismiss Dr. Michael Lifshitz who was conducting the Stanford tulpa study. These are psychiatrists, but they don't count because they aren't DID specialists specifically.
Wow, a lotta bullshit to unpack here. I’ll do this one at a time.
- alters are not particularly distinct identity states. They’re fragmented states of consciousness formed from severe structural dissociation. And what is the cause of dissociation? Right! Trauma. And for it to be severe enough for your entire brain to rewire itself, it would have to be some pretty chronic amounts of trauma. Again, someone stating plurality exists out of a trauma based frame with no sources or research to back it up is not a credible source, even if said individual is a professional. I’m pretty sure the second statement you made about the possibility of distinct dissociative parts being possible was about disorders and/or other dissociative symptoms resembling similarities to that of CDDs (<- which fyi, doesn’t make them the same.) notice also how they said PROBABLY and not DEFINITELY, either. Onto Collin Ross! Yeah let’s use the guy who repeatedly abused the fuck out of his clients and was so shit at his job he lost his degree that also thinks humans can shoot lasers out their eyes. Definitely a good source. /sarc
- the reason why DID isn’t explicitly stated to be caused by trauma is because it would be unethical to repeatedly traumatise children and those similar in order to see if they’d develop the disorder (alongside the fact that a traumatic event does not guarantee the development of a CDD either. ); it also doesn’t need to state that you need trauma because dissociation to that extent already tells you that it’s caused by traumatic events. Even in the diagnostic criteria it shows symptoms that heavily resemble that of PTSD. come on now.
- they’re not confirming the existence of spirits, they’re acknowledging religious practices that are linked with the belief of such and that these people may present similarly to CDDs from the outside, but are not the same and therefore shouldn’t be issued a diagnosis for the disorder if that ever to be the case. I am not apart of these cultures so this isn’t my place to fully elaborate to its full extent.
- and finally, the Stanford tulpa study was of an actual individual who was doing the real religious practice, not your tulpagenic system bullshit. Need I say more on this?
You seem to be forgetting the entire history of endogenics and the natural multiples movement as well. Even IF endogenics were real, the very concept of them was used against us in an attempt to invade our spaces, mock our disability and try to get our disorder demedicalised and taken off of the DSM. they’ve caused so much harm to many trauma survivors as a community and said community has made no effort in changing their views or behaviour.
So, funny story... I happened across this blog because I was looking at a different blog that reblogged an earlier post about tulpamancy. And I WAS planning on sending an anon too.
So imagine my surprise seeing you getting an anon that just copied one of my posts! And I have to say... to the anon... beautiful! I'm flattered and very much approve!
Oh, but to Sprout...
Wow, a lotta bullshit
I appreciate you making your first four words a summary of everything you wrote after!
- alters are not particularly distinct identity states. They’re fragmented states of consciousness formed from severe structural dissociation.
First, I admit I used the wrong term in the post from May that the anon quoted.
The correct term used in the ICD-11 and the DSM-5 is "Distinct Personality States." Either way, the spirit of the text remains.
From the ICD-11:
From the DSM-5:
Now going back to the ICD-11, this is the text of the Boundary with Normality, clarifying that you can have this characterizing symptom of DID without the mental disorder.
Onto Collin Ross! Yeah let’s use the guy who repeatedly abused the fuck out of his clients and was so shit at his job he lost his degree
Okay...
So not only is Colin Ross losing his degree not something that happened... I don't even think this is something that CAN happen!
Doctors don't lose their degrees for things they do later.
You might mean Ross lost his license. That didn't happen either!
There is no record of him ever losing his medical license!
Colin Ross has been sued over alleged malpractice. But these have never gone to criminal court or even brought to trial, and he was not disciplined by any medical boards over these unsubstantiated allegations.
You might be mixing him with Onno van der Hart, the primary author of The Haunted Self, the book that created the theory of structural dissociation. Because Onno van der Hart did lose his license for abusing a patient. (But not his degree because that would be stupid! 🤣)
- they’re not confirming the existence of spirits, they’re acknowledging religious practices that are linked with the belief of such and that these people may present similarly to CDDs from the outside, but are not the same and therefore shouldn’t be issued a diagnosis for the disorder if that ever to be the case. I am not apart of these cultures so this isn’t my place to fully elaborate to its full extent.
I think you won't elaborate because you're a coward.
There are essentially 3 explanations for this spiritual phenomena.
There's the spiritual explanation where these are indeed literal metaphysical spirits as the cultures believe they are. But you aren't part of those cultures so you don't believe in their spirits.
Then there's the psychological explanation. That these practices just result in these people experiencing a psychological phenomenon where they have these other autonomous people in their head with their own names and identities and beliefs and genders. But you can't accept that because that would be endogenic plurality!
Then there's the charlatan explanation... that these spiritual possession states are just fake. That every medium or spirit channeler is pretending.
That third one is what you really believe, but you know how offensive it would be to express it aloud.
- and finally, the Stanford tulpa study was of an actual individual who was doing the real religious practice, not your tulpagenic system bullshit. Need I say more on this?
Yes, you do need to say more! Because this is complete BS!
Not only was the study on the tulpamancy community, it wasn't one individual either but many.
The fMRI study isn't published yet but you can find an AMA where the doctors discuss it on r/tulpas; one of the main communities they used to get participants.
I'd genuinely like to know what study you THINK was into the religious practice, because EVERY study I know of has been into the secular tulpamancy community.
Like this one by Dr. Samuel Veissiere: Varieties of Tulpa Experiences: Sentient Imaginary Friends, Embodied Joint Attention, and Hypnotic Sociality in a Wired World
Or this one by Dr. Tanya Luhrmann: Learning to Discern the Voices of Gods, Spirits, Tulpas, and the Dead
Actually, that last one, while not THE Stanford tulpa study with the fMRI, is connected to it and uses interviews with tulpamancers conducted at Stanford.
they’ve caused so much harm to many trauma survivors as a community and said community has made no effort in changing their views or behaviour.
As I've demonstrated, our views are correct and backed up by professionals.
Yours are just a string of endless lies.
Your entire post is lie after lie after lie.
Either because you are maliciously lying about my community, or because others were and you were a useless idiot gullible enough to believe them.
Let's tag some rebloggers of this post to see if any care that they're spreading misinformation and lies: @anti-willo-cosmo @anti-willo-astro @radnormal-is-rad
♡ - Never thought I'd see the day Sprout got noticed by the most notoriously harmful pro endo that even half of their OWN community hates! But honestly as one of the rebloggers, I'll bite.
- "The correct term used in the ICD-11 and the DSM-5 is "Distinct Personality States." Either way, the spirit of the text remains."
So if we use the ICD-11 and scroll down a bit we see this!
"Commonly associated doesn't mean always!" And thats because of what Sprout had said! It would be unethical to traumatize a bunch of kids to test if thats what causes DID; and trauma doesn't ALWAYS cause DID. But there is nothing in the ICD-11 that says they can form outside of trauma, and the kind that "does" is due to religious practices and that's different from a disorder.
Also this in the DIDR:
And, again. Having multiple personality states does NOT mean you are a system/have did. It is not the only part of the diagnostic criteria.
Now about Dr Colin Ross!
Why do we take this man seriously as proof of endogenics being real when he does things like this.
[all from hoaxsted research]
Which here says his license WAS suspended!
- "There are essentially 3 explanations for this spiritual phenomena."
The idea that they exist, which I don't personally believe in.
The psychological idea! Where things happen because you can convince your brain to believe it even if it doesnt exist! Ever heard of the placebo effect? People talk about "speaking to god" all over the world! That isn't any proof either, because people could be lying or mistaking their inner monologue OR hallucinating! Or it's all just a placebo effect.
or the idea that it doesn't exist and everyone is faking. Personally! I believe the placebo effect one, people being convinced their inner monologue is something it isnt or mentally repressing their trauma and being convinced it doesnt exist.
- "The fMRI study isn't published yet but you can find an AMA where the doctors discuss it on r/tulpas; one of the main communities they used to get participants."
Why are we using reddit as a source of knowledge. Lets wait for the study to come out. Tulpamancy is not only a religious practice it is a CLOSED practice that we should not be using to mock disorders. That is racist.
-"As I've demonstrated, our views are correct and backed up by professionals."
Yes because a man telling people you can shoot lazers out of your eyes and told someone their alter was impregnated by aliens is a good source.
I won't be saying any further, you've admitted to be willing to groom children to "plural the future" and you are a horrible racist person. Goodnight!
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I mean, The ICD 11 says that you don't need a disorder to experience multiple "distinct identity states," (the same term it uses for dissociative identities). Transgender Mental Health by Dr Eric Yarbrough has an entire chapter dedicated to plurality that repeatedly affirms that you do not need trauma or a disorder to be plural! The creators of the theory of structural dissociation have said it may be possible to have self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality for reasons other than trauma. Dr. Colin Ross who has spent decades studying trauma and DID has said he believes in multiplicity outside of disorders and trauma.
And those are only a few.
And it's also completely one-sided. Sysmeds have yet to produce one single doctor who has unambiguously said you need to have DID or a dissociative disorder to experience plurality. NOT ONE!
So what is the response? Do these people who claim to be pro psych and following the science change their minds when so many professionals are disagreeing with them?
No way!
For the ICD 11, you have the special pleading. The attempt at interpreting it as not being able to apply to endogenic systems. "The example only mentions spiritual mediums so therefore it doesn't count for endogenic systems." This particular line of thought would suggest the World Health Organization is acknowledging not a psychological phenomena that can present similarly to dissociative disorders, but that it's acknowledging the existence of literal metaphysical spirits… Which would be pretty wild. But of course, nobody actually believes that the ICD 11 is acknowledging that metaphysical spirits exist. Anyone who acts like the WHO is confirming literal spirits over non-disordered plurality is obviously arguing in bad faith.
And now you are beginning to see the absurd standards here. Why would an esteemed psychiatrist need to be a trauma specialist to weigh in on something not being caused by trauma. The DID experts are usually in trauma centers treating patients in psychiatric hospitals with trauma disorders. They are in a field where they would never be exposed to non-traumagenic systems. Meanwhile, Eric Yarbrough is a queer person who specializes in LGBTQ mental health. His profession has been dedicated to studying and advocating for marginalized people who have historically been unfairly pathologized.
If you asked me, someone who actually would be in a position where they would work with non-disordered systems is a more valuable source on this discussion than someone who has only been exposed to patients with trauma disorders.
But this is the argument the sysmed uses to dismiss Yarbrough. Also the argument they use to dismiss Dr. Michael Lifshitz who was conducting the Stanford tulpa study. These are psychiatrists, but they don't count because they aren't DID specialists specifically.
Wow, a lotta bullshit to unpack here. I’ll do this one at a time.
- alters are not particularly distinct identity states. They’re fragmented states of consciousness formed from severe structural dissociation. And what is the cause of dissociation? Right! Trauma. And for it to be severe enough for your entire brain to rewire itself, it would have to be some pretty chronic amounts of trauma. Again, someone stating plurality exists out of a trauma based frame with no sources or research to back it up is not a credible source, even if said individual is a professional. I’m pretty sure the second statement you made about the possibility of distinct dissociative parts being possible was about disorders and/or other dissociative symptoms resembling similarities to that of CDDs (<- which fyi, doesn’t make them the same.) notice also how they said PROBABLY and not DEFINITELY, either. Onto Collin Ross! Yeah let’s use the guy who repeatedly abused the fuck out of his clients and was so shit at his job he lost his degree that also thinks humans can shoot lasers out their eyes. Definitely a good source. /sarc
- the reason why DID isn’t explicitly stated to be caused by trauma is because it would be unethical to repeatedly traumatise children and those similar in order to see if they’d develop the disorder (alongside the fact that a traumatic event does not guarantee the development of a CDD either. ); it also doesn’t need to state that you need trauma because dissociation to that extent already tells you that it’s caused by traumatic events. Even in the diagnostic criteria it shows symptoms that heavily resemble that of PTSD. come on now.
- they’re not confirming the existence of spirits, they’re acknowledging religious practices that are linked with the belief of such and that these people may present similarly to CDDs from the outside, but are not the same and therefore shouldn’t be issued a diagnosis for the disorder if that ever to be the case. I am not apart of these cultures so this isn’t my place to fully elaborate to its full extent.
- and finally, the Stanford tulpa study was of an actual individual who was doing the real religious practice, not your tulpagenic system bullshit. Need I say more on this?
You seem to be forgetting the entire history of endogenics and the natural multiples movement as well. Even IF endogenics were real, the very concept of them was used against us in an attempt to invade our spaces, mock our disability and try to get our disorder demedicalised and taken off of the DSM. they’ve caused so much harm to many trauma survivors as a community and said community has made no effort in changing their views or behaviour.
♡ - I'm sure you've seen that one transgender lion picture on twitter and how much discourse its gotten. If you haven't here's what I'm talking about!
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People are saying this is transphobic due to the fact the trans woman lion looks like a man with boobs and the trans masc lion looks like a woman with top surgery.
This is insane to me, there are non-passing trans people, there are people who are trans but dont want to transition physically or only want to transition part of the way. This comic reflects those people, not all trans people. This is not a "all trans women have beards" post, this is a "its okay for trans women to have beards"
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♡ - I may start using the cleanqueer label! It doesn't seem too widely recognized just yet so people may not understand, but that label seems helpful!
People with paraphilic disorders you are not horrible people, you are people who struggle with an unfortunate disorder. Please get the help you need if you can, and stay away from places online that encourage you to indulge in those thoughts. Indulging in the harmful aspects of ANY disorder is harmful, even with non-paraphilic disorders.
You wouldn't want to encourage someone with germaphobe-centered OCD to scrub their skin raw, so why encourage someone with zoophilia to indulge in zoophilic art or even harm an animal?
Other Cleanqueer people please interact :D
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