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mixed origins system | Adult (18 yrs) | leaf/leafs/leafself & they/them | inclusionist

[crispychaotic]

Trying to sort things out and relearn how to exist without pretending, so this blog is sorta a mess rn, idk though

[heavyweightheart]

I just don’t think “asking G-d to remove your character defects” is a greasy chute to higher self-worth and coping skills that are not. getting high

[heavyweightheart]

the thing is that aside from the 12 step framework, 12 step groups are incredibly fertile ground for healing and connection! have u seen a room full of middle-aged men being emotionally brave and vulnerable and crying w each other? in this white supremacist patriarchy? but they’re doing it; it’s the norm in these groups, which is incredible. 

and altho some ppl are mandated to be there, many are there bc they want to heal–their relationships w themselves, their families, their communities. they’re committed to each other; real mutual aid happens. nobody who matters in the running of the groups is getting paid.

without all that toxic xtian moralizing, the “disease” model of addiction, and the depoliticizing of substance dependence, these groups would be MAGIC, the really really good shit. and the fact that they work at all is a testament to the power of these other elements 

[crispychaotic]

Just due to the environment the majority are in, the USA, I don't really see that happening right now. Also globally it's also a problem imo, just differently. There may be the possibility of these groups not being toxic, but personally don't see how they could be. Toxic and forced postivity also plays a role in the problem here of these groups being really horrible and manipulative imo

[anarchblr]

‘contract’ is such an abused term in socialist circles; ye olde Mutualists leaned heavy on the ‘free’ aspect of ‘free contract’, celebrating it; whilst certain communist or Individualist anarchists critiqued the ‘contract’ part as mandatory, condemning it

[anarchblr]

@helloserlin – might be reading too much into it tbh

I personally think the diversity of attitudes toward 'contract' speaks more of the inability to wrap one's head around legality as it emerges and is thereafter consecrated

That, and a lack of interaction between socialists, leading to no formalization in our dictionaries/ standardisation of terms

[crispychaotic]

Ah okay.

[beetlelark]

Bunch of mouths I doodled awhile back

i love teethy mouths

[astralscribe]

you don't know true pain until someone calls you out for accidentally saying "and we oop" and have to explain that you're a not a part of the Borg hivemind

[ahabixa-deactivated20221211]

“A picture showing a man or a woman jumping off a window is a picture of a person with psychiatric issues who, suddenly, acts in an incomprehensive way, if we exclusively frame the person leaning out of the window or falling from it. However, were we to enlarge the field of vision in order to obtain the whole image, we would be able to see, for example, a line of police vans with military equipment about to evict the person in question.

The real reason behind the act is the situation of vulnerability with regards to basic items necessary to live that many people experience in our time. Knowledge of the specific facts, the missing parts of the image, make the supposed psychiatric issues melt like snow in the sun.

Psychiatry is the act of eliminating context. Psychiatry doesn’t listen, it doesn’t want to listen, it doesn’t want to know. It only considers the fragment, an unjustified behavior or an idea openly in contrast with social conventions and it silences it.

Going back to the picture of the person who jumps off the window: the cut that eliminates the police aggression will be made by, for instance, a newspaper that belongs to the bank who evicts the person. This would lead to the apparent non-existence of a cause for the search for death, in order to direct the discourse towards the psychiatric issues of a sick person. In other words, psychiatry is at the service of power. Of course, it is much easier to quickly eliminate those who denounce important issues rather than confronting and solving them, like guaranteeing everyone, no exception, a house and an equitable distribution of the planet’s resources.”

 — Paolini, M. 2018. Preface. In: Antonucci, G. El prejuicio psiquiátrico. Pamplona: Katakrak. [Translation mine]

[heavyweightheart]

I never comment on reblogs but “Psychiatry is the act of eliminating context” is the most cogent articulation of this issue I’ve ever heard—this whole passage is brilliantly illustrative and I’m so grateful for the translation.

[minecraftcourse]

You’re agreeing with bisexuality being transphobic? Just wanted some clarification because that’s how the last post reads

wait what? what part are you talking about?

[crispychaotic]

maybe I'm reading it wrong but the post is just odd in how there's seemingly no clarification in if these are examples of biphobia or something else

[cyborg-sevalle]

Therapists et al exist as a way to outsource emotional support that should be performed by the people in our lives who we have mutually emotionally invested in, but because capitalism dominates all our time and energy, those people are unable to, and the whole body of psychological therapeutic practice is just the development of methods to make that as efficient, sterile, and uniform as possible.

[cyborg-sevalle]

Also, keep in mind, modern psychology is founded in the development of “The Talking Cure” which was literally just the revolutionary discovery that, if you sit down and let people in psychiatric distress just talk about their problems and then help them work through them, they can begin to recover, and the fact that that occurred around the turn of the previous century really isn’t just a coincidence.

[cyborg-sevalle]

Meanwhile, “therapy dogs” are treated as a fairly recent breakthrough, which isn’t to say that dogs aren’t therapeutic, but that the bulk of non-medication therapy is just a medical repackaging of basic human emotional fulfillment.

Therapy is basically the commodification of love

[euryale-dreams-deactivated20201]

I went to school to become a therapist and this is exactly why I dropped it off that program. I realized that the specialist knowledge was a lot less scientifically rigorous than the public was led to believe and that what therapy really amounted to was selling your friendship for money.

… which I find abhorrent.

And yes, I have used therapists. I have used therapists to cope with abuse. I’ve used therapists to cope with a serious mental disorder. I recognize that the way out culture is set up laypeople really aren’t equipped to cope with a lot of that.

… and that isn’t okay.

There is a lot that is wrong with therapy. Structurally wrong down to the very core. That problem is money and the fact that the therapeutic relationship will always hinge on your therapist getting paid. That isn’t necessarily the individual therapist’s fault–they need to eat, after all–but the relationship is an exploitative facsimile of the kinds of genuine relationships that we should all enjoy but rarely do.

As someone who has grown into some very deep friendships I can say that their emotional counseling is orders of magnitude more therapeutic than anything I’ve gotten from a professional.

Do therapists fill a needed niche in our society? Yes. Especially so long as abuse is a thing because when you’re being abused your abuser basically controls your access to social support and victims need places they can turn to that they know are safe and that can help.

… except therapists actually do a terrible job at this. They can provide a safe place to talk–if you’re abuser let’s toy talk to them–but they are profoundly incapable of providing any of the material support a victim needs to actually escape. Those rules ‘for your safety’ prohibit your therapist from offering you their couch or the kind of long term friendship and support that real recovery requires.

If we cared about survivors we would have trans or specialists with material resources to meet the physical needs of a victim who had been made dependant of their abuser. They should be a transitional role as that person is introduced to be friends who can then take care of them emotionally.

… and they can then help the next generation of survivors. There is literally nobody more qualified to help someone deal with trauma than someone who has survived it and is healed enough to help others.

People already do this. This is literally a cultural institution among trans women. Largely in part because psychiatric violence leaves therapists largely inaccessible to us. Ditto people with psychosis or bipolar disorder.

Anyway… To all the people replying to this post clutching their pearls about how lay people don’t know how to handle a crisis or anxiety or [insert mental health thing here]: maybe that’s the problem?!

That’s literally the entire point of this entire thread.

Disempowering the average person from providing emotional support to survivors and disabled people through a lack of education and through capitalist exhaustion is the problem and therapists aren’t the solution.

Also… To all the people angry at the op for ‘talking down’ to disabled people like this is someone telling you to ‘try yoga:’ this is what radical mad liberation discourse looks like. This thread.

In other words therapists do have an important role to play but that face is a symptom of a deep social sickness and we, as disabled people, should be trying as hard as we can to dismantle three conditions that support this institution.

[psychiatricsurvivorpositivity]

I think much of this writing [about psychiatric labels] misses the point. We may be able to come up with all kinds of cleverly nuanced perspectives on how we, as professionals and philosophers, understand psychiatric diagnosis but the fact remains that people are being told that they have mental illnesses and disorders, with all of the usual connotations of those terms in Western societies. Moreover, they are heavily encouraged to take on the particular narrow understanding that you refer to–we are all bombarded with messages about “mental illness” being “as real as a broken arm”, and needing to be managed by drugs “just like diabetes.” Even the dubious compromise of the “biopsychosocial” model–a way of acknowledging  some role for psychosocial factors while at the same time instantly relegating them to “triggers” of a disease process–is not much in evidence on the ground. And furthermore, the biomedical message is reinforced by the fact that these labels are being applied by doctors and nurses working in hospitals and clinics, who use not just the labels themselves  but the whole medicalized discourse of symptom, patient, prognosis, treatment, relapse, and so. The "stereotypical biomedical understanding of diagnoses", as you put it, is absolutely everywhere. […] I have yet to hear any real life service user say “Although the doctor told me I have schizophrenia I’m not too worried, because "illness” is just a metaphor for suffering in this case and it doesn’t exclude personal meaning.“ I’m sure readers are aware that the consequences of being diagnosed–such as being sectioned, forcibly injected, and so on–are not just metaphorical. Some of these learned articles strike me as a form of defense against admitting to the fundamental inadequacy and devastating damage of the current diagnostic system. Essentially, we need to acknowledge that we are not dealing with patients with illness, but people with problems. We cannot make the shift to a more appropriate and humane system unless we are prepared to drop the whole biomedical discourse altogether.

Lucy Johnstone, PsyD, Moving Beyond Psychiatric Diagnosis  (via psychiatricsurvivorpositivity)

[mostlysignssomeportents]

Satanic Abortions cut through unconstitutional abortion laws

States across the US have enacted cruel, unconstitutional abortion laws that require doctors to sexually assault women seeking abortions and lie to them about the health impacts of abortion. Some laws require funerals for foetal remains. These laws were pushed by ALEC, the corporate-backed “legislative exchange” that pushes “model legislation” through a network of slick lobbyists in state-houses across the country. ALEC purports to be in favor of “liberty” and “small government.” Enter the Satanic Temple, a federally recognized religion whose members do not believe in Satan or supernatural phenomena. They believe “that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition.” The Temple has a fantastic schtick. They go to places where christofascists have gotten laws passed that shove their weird, apostate version of “Christianity” down everyone else’s throats and point out that the First Amendment requires nondiscrimination among faiths. Wanna put a giant stone Ten Commandments in front of your courthouse? Sure. But they’re gonna put a giant statue of Baphomet right next to it. The court challenges they mount aren’t cheap, but they’re slam dunks. The US Constitution is pretty clear on this. Now, in 1993, Chuck Schumer sponsored the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” which lets Americans sue governments over laws that “substantially burdens a person’s exercise of religion.” https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/1308 Religious maniacs LOVE the RFRA and its progeny, like SCOTUS’s Hobby Lobby decision, which broadened the RFRA’s provisions and allowed corporations to claim exemptions from Rendering Unto Caesar where that interfered with the owners’ faith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burwell_v._Hobby_Lobby_Stores,_Inc. Guess what you get when you combine the RFRA, ALEC’s restrictive abortion laws, and the Satanic Temple? That’s right…SATANIC ABORTIONS. https://announcement.thesatanictemple.com/rrr-campaign41280784 A Satanic Abortion is a religious ritual that is totally indistinguishable from a normal, medical abortion, except that the participant says a few self-affirming words about her bodily autonomy. Oh, also: the ritual absolutely forbids, as a bedrock matter of religous conviction, any waiting periods, the withholding of medically necessary advice, mandatory counseling, required readings, and unnecessary sonograms. Also forbidden: mandatory fetal heartbeat listening sessions and compulsory fetal burials. If you want an abortion and the doctor tries this bullshit, hand them one of these exemption letters explaining how the law doesn’t apply thanks to the RFRA. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mup4nee1n9wkvqb/Religious%20Abortion%20Exemption%20Letter.pdf Now, the religious right could fight this. But if they win…they overturn the RFRA, and Hobby Lobby has to provide its employees with contraception and all the other theocratic exemptions go poof, too. The Temple is pretty amazing. Here’s some highlights of their previous campaigns: “Publicly confronted hate groups, fought for the abolition of corporal punishment in public schools, applied for equal representation when religious installations are placed on public property, provided religious exemption and legal protection against laws that unscientifically restrict women’s reproductive autonomy, exposed harmful pseudo-scientific practitioners in mental health care, organized clubs alongside other religious after-school clubs in schools besieged by proselytizing organizations, and engaged in other advocacy in accordance with our tenets.”

[heavyweightheart]

I lose followers every time I mention that the chemical imbalance theory of depression (or any mental illness, in fact) is both unsupported by evidence and politically expedient, and at this point it’s actually surprising to me. We’re past this, no? Psychiatric diagnoses are names that powerful institutions give certain behavioral patterns; they are not biologically identifiable disease states. There’s not nothing to the naming of patterns of experience, tho–I use a lot of these names (depression, OCD, eating disorders, DID, etc.) bc it’s how we deal in shared meaning around them. I’m all for self-dx, self un-dx, and clinical dx’s that feel meaningful and helpful to those who receive them. But the fact remains that not even the most advanced neuroscientists can claim to know exactly wtf is going on in there! There is no identifiable biological state that consistently causes or even correlates with what we call mental illness. MIs definitely involve biological processes, bc that’s true of all human life and experience, but they’re complex bio-psycho-social-spiritual conditions that could be named and understood in any number of ways. We’re complex creatures who are perpetually responding to our environments!

This is a great fact sheet to bookmark.

[meshugenist]

there’s also something to be said for the fact that expressions of distress are learned/socialized in the first place, and fall within these specific patterns/clusters of behaviors because they are accepted as “real” in our society (regardless of whether they are stigmatized or claimed to be fake or w/e, they’re still named and focused on). the dsm recognizes this for a few diagnoses that are only present in one or a few populations in the world, but it doesn’t recognize that this is true for all diagnoses. this ofc isn’t to say that without diagnosis, none of these behaviors would exist, but the way that the dsm has named and categorized them into the specific clusters/patterns of behavior that it calls “diagnoses” is absolutely why we tend to manifest distress in these specific clusters/patterns of behavior in the first place

[marxism-transgenderism]

Wishing people read more of Leslie Feinberg’s books other than just stone butch blues

[marxism-transgenderism]

@postirony​

A great place to start is hir 1992 pamphlet Transgender Liberation: A movement whose time has come. It’s a shitty PDF but it’s short.

What I recommend reading most of all is Transgender Warriors: Making History from Joan of Arc to Dennis Rodman. While SBB is more popular, this book is basically hir magnum opus which ze wrote throughout hir life, combining autobiography, historical analysis, and theory. Seriously read this book.

Rainbow Solidarity in Defense of Cuba is a collection of hir articles on gay and trans rights in Cuba before and after the revolution and Lavender & Red is a much larger collection of hir articles—including those in the first book—about gay and trans people throughout the 20th century. There’s also Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue, which is a collection of hir speeches but sadly I can’t find a PDF of this one.

Lastly, if you want something besides history, ze also wrote another novel called Drag King Dreams which I haven’t actually read myself but I’ve heard is pretty good.

[saffronlesbian]

[id: a screenshot of a reply from @/postirony saying: “which ones in particular? i’ve only read SBB and i’m looking for something to read.” /end id.]

[marxism-transgenderism]

Hey if you’re going to like this, esp if your cis, please reblog it as well.

The main reason I’m upset hir other works aren’t as well known, aside from them being very good books that more people should read, is because I see a lot of terfs try to claim SBB. To the point where I’ve even seen some anti-terf people, mainly non-lesbians, say that the book is transphobic cause the only thing they know about it is that terfs like it.

Which, to begin with, you have to be real stupid to miss the multiple trans women in SBB, Ruth only being the most obvious, and the parts where Jess is literally persecuted by 70s era radical feminists. Hell, the free PDF version on hir website also includes a piece on the campaign to free CeCe McDonald. But also, as you can probably tell by hir pronouns and just the titles of hir other books, it’s flatly ridiculous for terfs to claim either SBB or Leslie.

People need to know Leslie Feinberg as the transmasculine Jewish lesbian revolutionary communist that ze were.

[politijohn]

This isn't politically relevant but have you heard of otherkin? The vaguest bare bones description of us is that we feel kind of like transgender dysphoria, but for our species. (And before anyone screams transphobia, I AM trans, and this really is the best description for how I feel about it)

I hadn’t looked into this before you mentioned it. It’s rather fascinating. Sounds like a mostly internet-based culture mixed with mythical and religious/spiritual qualities. I don’t think I’m going to dig too deep on this one

[crispychaotic]

Not all otherkin experience species dysphoria, which is what OP is talking about here. Otherkin is when one spiritually/metaphysically/mentally identifies as non-human, and they may have memories attached to that which makes no sense in their physical body, astral limbs that make no sense, among various other shifts. It’s also a form of alter-humanity, and also the origins of the community go back to the 1970s, with the pagan community and folks who identified as elves in one way or another, but also things like this existed back in 1930 where Dion Fortune wrote about non-human persons and vampires in human bodies in her book Psychic Self-Defense (but her viewpoint on this is that non-humans of all sorts are always inherently dangerous). Otherkin and/or alter-human folks predated the internet.  I believe this is a good source of info on the history of the general otherkin community: http://frameacloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scribner_Timeline2p0.pdf

[merrilymultiple]

Sup. It's Deidamia. I was just browsing this hellsite when I came upon an argument I see a lot. Essentially, paraphrased to protect this system's privacy, it was, "DNI if you are a thought-form system or aren't traumagenic. I'm begging you, stop telling me about your experiences as a non-DID system. They trigger me so much. We struggle so much as a system with denial, and you're making it worse. Please stop."

First thing I'm not sure if this person understood that there's such a thing as parogenic systems that come from trauma, (#actuallyparotraumagenic), but I don't think it matters. We do respect people's DNIs, and either way we fall under their DNI, so we can't just ask them ourselves or we would. And, Minerva reminds me, we respect people's triggers which means we can't ask people directly why they have a certain trigger. But there's nothing wrong with posing the question to the multiple world in general and hoping we get an answer. Which leads me to my second point, the telos of this post, to ask why?

Just, why?

Why did this person take a good two paragraphs to say this and to explain that talking to thoughtforms triggered them this badly? Why did their post (again, not showing it to protect their privacy) seem to be so plaintive? Why are they so desperate to avoid this trigger? I don't understand how this trigger could be a trigger. Understand me here, I'm not trying to say it's not valid, but rather I'm trying to understand why it is valid.

Why would an endogenic system, a parogenic system, or a parotraumagenic system, or any other system with thoughtforms sharing their experience trigger denial in a DID system?

Because like, we have other mental illnesses. This body has depression. Not all of us feel sad all the time, but most of us feel some kind of physical effects like fatigue. BPD-like symptoms are widespread amongst system members. So is CPTSD. Some of us have flashbacks. Many have panic attacks. Everybody except Minerva and Brynnjolf has emotional dysregulation issues. I know from experience that when we don't take our pills, I get exasperated and grumpy over little things, I start arguments more often, it's harder to stay in the front, it's harder to get the body to move, and it's almost impossible for me to get the things done that we need to do to stay safe and well and thriving.

I know for a fact that someone else saying, "I thought I had depression and BPD because I had rage episodes, but I don't; I took [insert supplement] and thought really hard and got better!" would not in any way impact our desire as a system to stop taking our prescribed medication because we know that shit doesn't apply to us. We have learned from experience that not taking our meds leads to everyone with BPD and depression coping worse. The phenomenon that other people can somehow cure their issues without meds doesn't change our reality, which is that we barely manage with meds. Our system still has widespread depression and trauma symptoms, even if some rando with similar obstacles and experiences does not. I don't get why people with DID would be any different about other people having a non-medical cause or thriving without medical treatment for similar symptoms. Why do so many people with DID say that hearing about people without DID but with similar symptoms is a trigger somehow??

[crispychaotic]

From what I know about the topic, and I can’t speak directly on this as we’ve not experienced it ourself, I believe a lot of folks, including DID systems, are trained by the medical community and society to believe that professional diagnoses somehow make something real, in the sense of it makes beings/people’s experiences real for the people who buy into the system and benefit from the system - they feel validated. And so I would believe that for someone who places a professional diagnosis in such high regard, seeing a non-disordered based system and/or a non-trauma based system experience similar things that they do - they don’t know what to do with it, it makes them upset, because it shows them, from what I gather (though I probably am wrong) that experiences are varied and can’t be categorized (instead of how the medical community who usually support psychiatry and psychology puts it - from what I gather people often want/need order), you sometimes can’t control things (often times things just happen, and they just do - some people/beings from what I gather get really upset with that because it makes them question how much of a role they have in the world, then how much they matter...things start to spiral I gather) Being confronted by the idea that experiences can’t be categorized in neat ways is scary for a lot of people, not just DID systems, as experiences often do not abide by logic, but yet they do - it’s paradoxical. And some people get upset when they’re confronted with paradoxes because from what I gather the confusion and fear over getting it right overrides everything else, because people want to be right a lot of the time, as society often equates being right with goodness - and a lot of people want to be good, so then they must be right. And so to be right, they cast out all the things that would tell them they are gathering incorrect information - they aren’t individually wrong, that’s another topic, simply their behaviors and actions are questionable (again simply from my viewpoint - and I probably am wrong about this) Of course that is very broad and I am not specifically speaking about any being/person/system specifically, and this isn’t just about DID systems and the DNI question above, it’s about the whole medical community and its influence on society I believe. But again I may be wrong, simply am providing my viewpoints. Hopefully this also makes some form of sense

[merrilymultiple]

I hadn't really thought about a diagnosis serving as a "certificate of validity" of sorts to some people, and that trying to live out loud as a non-DID system might seem to take away that security to those people. We don't want a diagnosis ourselves (a whole other box to open as we have varied reasons why, ranging from a desire not to pathologize our system, to fear of medical fake claiming, to internalized ableism) so we wouldn't make that connection. Thanks for the enlightenment.

--Deidamia

[crispychaotic]

No problem and of course what I’ve said here might not be correct, am not completely sure on the subject. We personally reject all diagnostic labels due to personal reasons, and can relate to not wanting a diagnosis (for various reasons)

[merrilymultiple]

Sup. It's Deidamia. I was just browsing this hellsite when I came upon an argument I see a lot. Essentially, paraphrased to protect this system's privacy, it was, "DNI if you are a thought-form system or aren't traumagenic. I'm begging you, stop telling me about your experiences as a non-DID system. They trigger me so much. We struggle so much as a system with denial, and you're making it worse. Please stop."

First thing I'm not sure if this person understood that there's such a thing as parogenic systems that come from trauma, (#actuallyparotraumagenic), but I don't think it matters. We do respect people's DNIs, and either way we fall under their DNI, so we can't just ask them ourselves or we would. And, Minerva reminds me, we respect people's triggers which means we can't ask people directly why they have a certain trigger. But there's nothing wrong with posing the question to the multiple world in general and hoping we get an answer. Which leads me to my second point, the telos of this post, to ask why?

Just, why?

Why did this person take a good two paragraphs to say this and to explain that talking to thoughtforms triggered them this badly? Why did their post (again, not showing it to protect their privacy) seem to be so plaintive? Why are they so desperate to avoid this trigger? I don't understand how this trigger could be a trigger. Understand me here, I'm not trying to say it's not valid, but rather I'm trying to understand why it is valid.

Why would an endogenic system, a parogenic system, or a parotraumagenic system, or any other system with thoughtforms sharing their experience trigger denial in a DID system?

Because like, we have other mental illnesses. This body has depression. Not all of us feel sad all the time, but most of us feel some kind of physical effects like fatigue. BPD-like symptoms are widespread amongst system members. So is CPTSD. Some of us have flashbacks. Many have panic attacks. Everybody except Minerva and Brynnjolf has emotional dysregulation issues. I know from experience that when we don't take our pills, I get exasperated and grumpy over little things, I start arguments more often, it's harder to stay in the front, it's harder to get the body to move, and it's almost impossible for me to get the things done that we need to do to stay safe and well and thriving.

I know for a fact that someone else saying, "I thought I had depression and BPD because I had rage episodes, but I don't; I took [insert supplement] and thought really hard and got better!" would not in any way impact our desire as a system to stop taking our prescribed medication because we know that shit doesn't apply to us. We have learned from experience that not taking our meds leads to everyone with BPD and depression coping worse. The phenomenon that other people can somehow cure their issues without meds doesn't change our reality, which is that we barely manage with meds. Our system still has widespread depression and trauma symptoms, even if some rando with similar obstacles and experiences does not. I don't get why people with DID would be any different about other people having a non-medical cause or thriving without medical treatment for similar symptoms. Why do so many people with DID say that hearing about people without DID but with similar symptoms is a trigger somehow??

[crispychaotic]

From what I know about the topic, and I can’t speak directly on this as we’ve not experienced it ourself, I believe a lot of folks, including DID systems, are trained by the medical community and society to believe that professional diagnoses somehow make something real, in the sense of it makes beings/people’s experiences real for the people who buy into the system and benefit from the system - they feel validated. And so I would believe that for someone who places a professional diagnosis in such high regard, seeing a non-disordered based system and/or a non-trauma based system experience similar things that they do - they don’t know what to do with it, it makes them upset, because it shows them, from what I gather (though I probably am wrong) that experiences are varied and can’t be categorized (instead of how the medical community who usually support psychiatry and psychology puts it - from what I gather people often want/need order), you sometimes can’t control things (often times things just happen, and they just do - some people/beings from what I gather get really upset with that because it makes them question how much of a role they have in the world, then how much they matter...things start to spiral I gather) Being confronted by the idea that experiences can’t be categorized in neat ways is scary for a lot of people, not just DID systems, as experiences often do not abide by logic, but yet they do - it’s paradoxical. And some people get upset when they’re confronted with paradoxes because from what I gather the confusion and fear over getting it right overrides everything else, because people want to be right a lot of the time, as society often equates being right with goodness - and a lot of people want to be good, so then they must be right. And so to be right, they cast out all the things that would tell them they are gathering incorrect information - they aren’t individually wrong, that’s another topic, simply their behaviors and actions are questionable (again simply from my viewpoint - and I probably am wrong about this) Of course that is very broad and I am not specifically speaking about any being/person/system specifically, and this isn’t just about DID systems and the DNI question above, it’s about the whole medical community and its influence on society I believe. But again I may be wrong, simply am providing my viewpoints. Hopefully this also makes some form of sense

[genderqueer-dream]

Proposed Complexgender pride flag!

Complexgender: A combination of two genders which are arranged as axes, and the resultant gender is a point on the plane formed by them, like a complex number.

[gender-resource]

I really like this term, so I am going to discuss the definition, what it means and how it works.

Above is an representation of a complex number, which is defined as a number with a real and imaginary portion, which can be expressed using the general form a+bi. The variable a represents real numbers, where bi represents imaginary numbers. The variable i is equivalent to the sqrt of -1, or i^2 being equivalent to -1. b exists on an axis of imaginary numbers and exists on axis of real numbers. If plotted, as shown above, a point can be made where (a,bi) occurs.

To relate this to gender, imagine that variable a is one gender and variable bi is another. At (a,bi), the point resulting from the two, is the Complexgender that is defined above.

This definition does not take this into account, but to take the mathematical concept further, the imaginary axis could be likened to the negatrois spectrum, where the real axis could represent the positrois spectrum, with one variable representing a given antigender or ungender and another variable representing a given, potentially dissimilar, eugender.

- Gent

EDIT: Immediately after writing this, I stumbled across a post that discussed the “Complex Gender Plane”. Here’s the definition given:

The male-agender-female line and the imagigender line are perpendicular to each other, overlapping at the zero point. You can be male and an imagigender at the same time and this would basically be a point on the complex gender plane.

Imagigender is defined as:

An alternate gender line that is perpendicular to the male-female gender line. Just as imaginary numbers range from minus infinity*i to zero to plus infinity*i, the imagigender line ranges from one imaginary gender to agender to a second imaginary gender.

I suppose this means if we were to connect the Complex Gender Plane, Imagigender and Complexgender, that an imaginary gender is a sort of Altegender, but not necessarily an antigender.

Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

[arcopluris]

I was looking for the antonyms of primary/primus and found out simplex is the antonym of complex. Complex meaning not one, as it could represent anything besides 1. However it sometimes get specifically called multiplex vs uniplex or monoplex. Polyplex with polymers.

So complex: not simple or not single. I personally flow oscillating between positives and negatives sometimes but other times I’m just distinguishing my nullity with ambivalence.

[clickbeetle]

at the pet store and these two birds are giving each other kisses holy dhit

[crispychaotic]

Yeah they do that, from what I know it just means they’re expressing that they really like each other - not necessarily romantic mainly just platonic?  It’s basically the birds telling each other they value the other one's existence imo