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@hedgehogcryptid
some of you mistake alfred's british zingers and poise for authority and it shows. that man has so little sway over bruce's actions he had to sleep on the streets with the rats in no man's land. his only recourse when bruce crosses a line is to quit as his employee, and it doesn't work and he always comes back to bruce without anything changing on his part. this man is not "the most powerful member of the batfam", he's just someone else here for bruce's use.
Tags @junequeer
i keep seeing the “talia twisted jason’s mind” take, so, reminder that talia saved jason’s life—literally, not just by restoring his mind—because if she hadn’t taken him from the streets when she did (~2 years after he died), the clench would have almost certainly killed him during the outbreak in gotham a couple of months later, and if not the clench, then the quake would’ve 100% done him in.
jason was a severely brain damaged and dissociated teenager on the streets with no shelter, supervision, or support. he’d be dead if she hadn’t taken him!!! no talia did not manipulate him into hating bruce; no jason does not hate her. she did a good thing and gave that little boy a life to live. quit villainizing her for that just to prop up your favorite white boys!!!
“no one’s ever mad at me unless they tell me so” is the best assumption i’ve ever made
sorry for tagwatching but you still have to act like they aren’t mad at you imo! bc it’s the mad person’s duty to make it known if they want anything changed. it is never anyone’s duty to be a mind reader.
If I am mad at someone and am remaining Quiet about it, it is because I Do Not Want them to know that I’m mad.
Please respect my boundaries and assume that I am Not mad.
If you’re worried that I am mad, consider the possibility that I am mad for reasons I know are stupid and do not want to make it your problem.
Ohhh that last addition opens my eyes in a big way, thank you.
“no one’s ever mad at me unless they tell me so” is the best assumption i’ve ever made
sorry for tagwatching but you still have to act like they aren’t mad at you imo! bc it’s the mad person’s duty to make it known if they want anything changed. it is never anyone’s duty to be a mind reader.
If I am mad at someone and am remaining Quiet about it, it is because I Do Not Want them to know that I’m mad.
Please respect my boundaries and assume that I am Not mad.
If you’re worried that I am mad, consider the possibility that I am mad for reasons I know are stupid and do not want to make it your problem.
Ohhh that last addition opens my eyes in a big way, thank you.
@tumblingxelian
True BUT have you considered…lying!
The pervading concept that Bruce is "letting" Jason operate or holding back on him at all is so funny to me. How do you come to this conclusion. He has killed Jason visibly on panel multiple times. Like more than the Joker. There is no evidence to support Bruce LETTING Jason have or do anything. Every inch Jason takes is clawed from Bruce's white knuckled grip. Jason didn't luck his way into running Gothams underground, he's a tactical genius who played Bruce like a fucking fiddle using an updated version of Bruce's own plan and methods because Jason is competent and intelligent. The only reason Bruce wasn't blown up in his car is because Jason misses his dad. The only leverage he has to control Jason is Jason's desperate desire to be loved. Which he has used at least 3 times in recent memory to harm or kill Jason actually!!
Notably, for the sake of this conversation, it doesn't really matter if you think Bruce's behavior towards Jason is in character. Their relationship is inherently antagonistic and they are both aggressors towards each other, no matter how you slice it. What matters is that in canon, the text itself, is very clear in saying that Bruce would rather murder Jason himself than allow him to continue operating as Red Hood or acting on his own moral code. This is a consistent message from the narrative. You don't have to agree with the narrative, but that doesn't change what it is. To say that Bruce lets Jason get away with anything, that he holds back on Jason at all, that he has ever given Jason an inch that Jason didn't fight for - is in direct opposition to the text. Too many people state this reworking of the characters as a fact, that of course Bruce must be allowing Jason to operate, because how could someone like Jason get anything over Batman?? When in fact the ONLY way Bruce has managed to stop Jason from doing anything he wants to do IS murder or severe bodily harm.
So lets talk about Bruce and/or Dick trying to kill the Joker and how Jason would react
It would Not go the way so many people in the fandom think. Bffr Jason would not immediately be perfectly okay with them, in fact it would make his relationship with Bruce WORSE.
Like, you think Jason would be okay with Bruce saying he didn't kill the Joker because Superman stopped him? No he fucking would not!! Because he knows Bruce has kryptonite!! And sure, lets say Bruce didn't have it on him, and the helicopter still did explode so he did think the Joker was dead. THE JOKER SURVIVED AND BRUCE LET HIM LIVE. All it would prove to Jason is that he was worth nothing more than a temporary loss of control. People seem to forget that it wasn't JUST personal revenge for Jason, that was a major part sure, but it was also the fact that that wasn't the final straw.
"Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly, stupidly, disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered... the friends he's crippled... I thought... I thought killing me-- that I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt." -sourced directly from my copy of UTRH
It was the same thing as Tim being Robin. It wasn't solely about his death, it was that his death didn't change anything. People were put right back in danger because the Joker faced no real consequences other than a beating that was worse than usual.
And leading into the Dick thing, you think even if somehow, by some miracle, Jason forgave Bruce for all that it wouldn't go flying out the window the moment he found out Bruce RESUSCITATED the clown? You'd genuinely have to think Jason has no spine. Because not killing him is a personal choice, HELL even preventing others from doing it could have some form of explanation, but actively BRINGING HIM BACK FROM THE DEAD?????? There's no excusing or explaining that away.
But onto Dick. I genuinely think most people just. Haven't read Last Laugh #6. Dick sought out the Joker because he thought he killed Tim. Sure Jason was mentioned at the beginning, and sure Dick wasn't fully trying to kill him until the, "I hit Jason harder than that" thing, but as a whole it was less about Jason, and more about Tim. Because Dick hadn't gone after the Joker when Jason died, only when he thought Tim did.
I think it would be a step in repairing their relationship, but it certainly wouldn't be the magic fix people think it would. Because at it's core it wasn't because of Jason, it was because of Tim. Jason played a factor, but he wasn't the reason.
And there's also the immense guilt and "the Joker won" mentality Dick had about it. Jason would not be supportive of that, come on.
Anyway, just my thoughts around it, but I really shouldn't be surprised how people recontextualize stuff and treat Jason horribly OOC to fit him into the batfam.
I think the number one misunderstanding people have about Jason’s character is they think love is about pain for him as much as it is for Bruce. But like, why would it? Jason didn’t become Robin out of grief, he became Robin because he was given the opportunity. (Finally, he had the power and resources to not just avoid harming other people while trying to survive but actually be of help too.) Even beforehand, when Catherine was still alive, would Jason’s pain have meant anything? His pain wouldn’t have alleviated hers. His pain wouldn’t have made money appear. When she died, his grief couldn’t become fuel for anything like it was for Bruce, because he was just a powerless child who became further disempowered by homelessness.
So yeah, the pain of Bruce’s grief is completely beside the point to Jason. If Jason went back in time to see how badly Bruce suffered in the aftermath of his death, it wouldn’t mean anything. Bruce would have Jason’s pity, that’s it. (I’d wager he’d even be disgusted, because the people Bruce took his anger out on were 1. Dick, whom he respects and 2. petty criminals and low level goons just like Jason and his father used to be.)
Jason’s issue is not that Bruce didn’t sufficiently perform love as pain. His issue is that Bruce is a man who produces things out of his pain and he didn’t. Batman is a vigilante- one who takes justice into his own hands when the law itself proves insufficient, and he didn’t. I’m not saying that I personally want Bruce to kill Joker, because Bruce has his own reasons and story symbolism. I’m saying: Jason’s character doesn’t operate by the same logic.
He doesn’t kill people because he lost his way and needs to be guided back into goodness. In Jason’s story, killing people is what you do when you finally find your way again. So in the same vein, Jason did not ask why Bruce didn’t kill Joker (remember that he asked WHY) because he needs Bruce to break himself fully to prove his love. He asked because he isn’t lying- if it had been Bruce who Joker killed, Jason would’ve patiently, carefully, methodically hunted Joker down and killed him. It wouldn’t have mattered that Joker had diplomatic immunity from Iran for 2.5 seconds or that he went missing for a year. Jason wanted a decision, not a mental breakdown.
Unlike Dick, Bruce was there for the Diplomat’s Son story and the Dumpster Slasher case- the events which pushed Jason towards accepting death as a necessity. His run as Robin started with Bruce nearly losing it on Joker because he hypnotized Selena, and then ends with not only Barbara paralyzed but Jason murdered. Of course he expected Bruce to make that decision.
I have to stress that prior to Jason’s death, the events he was going through were increasingly pushing him towards accepting death as an occasional necessity and Bruce was present for it. Other than the fact that Bruce was Jason’s dad and way closer to him than Dick (who was only technically his brother) was, Dick wasn’t present for the major events that shaped Jason’s thinking. Jason does not ever have to look at Dick and wonder, how can you not understand? He just wasn’t there. That’s why.
Love love love Jason's "fight or flight" reaction here.... Of course his first reaction would be to snap and fight because NO ONE could stay calm after that, but at the end he just ran away.... he ran away because he had to, because he can't stay.... Bruce told him "I'm still standing, Jason," provoking he to hit him again, and he just looked at Bruce, the man that he is, the man that Jason want to see and then he just ran away... he just wanted to ran far away from that place.... driving the car as fast as he can while tears running down his face.... ran far far far away because he can't stay at the place where he died any longer or facing Bruce any longer.... everytime Bruce hurt him he hit back but eventually he just ran away.... *incoherent and painful screaming*
“I trained you better than that” “I’m still standing” “hit me!”
I’m convinced that this was never about finding a way to revive Damian. The plan itself is far too much of a longshot compared to the other options available. Bruce wanted to hurt Jason simply because he wanted a fight. He wanted to take his pain out on someone and have it be justified as combat. He wanted to make Jason feel as low as he felt. I’m glad Jason walked away, that he didn’t play Bruce’s game. What a sick fuck.
yeah so i covered up my son's death because it would have inconvenienced me...yeah by doing this i basically ruined all chances of someone pursuing justice for him legally...yeah im rich as hell and could have definitely not done this and instead gotten the murderer convicted. yeah no i covered it up instead. anyway so my son is back now :/ and he wants to kill the guy who murdered him but that's like really immature... well what do i expect him to do? what?? why are you even asking this :| obviously he should be fine with the guy breaking out of arkham on a routine basis :/ hell, he should get justice through legal means! doesn't he know only i can dictate when it's moral to break the law?
bruce: if i kill the joker ill be just as bad as him :(
jason:
*head in my hands* You don't understand, you can't understand "Bruce brought Jason to the place he died" as merely an action, you have to understand it as a concept. Bruce didn't just brought Jason to a place, a geographical location, the Magdala Valley, Ethiopia, he brought Jason to the exact place where he died: a situation where he followed his parent out of trust and that person betrayed him. Jason didn't just died in "a warehouse in Ethiopia," he died in a warehouse where Sheila led him to and betrayed him, sold him out the Joker. Bruce led him to this exact place too, a place/ a situation where someone he trust betrayed him. Sheila led him to where he'd die, Bruce led him to where he died, it's the same, the same thing.
You still don't get it, do you. Listen, it's not a "--This is where you died." It's a "This is how you died."
Sheila 🤝 Bruce: Betrayed Jason's trust, chose the Joker instead of him, lied to him, led him to where he's die/ died (he still forgave them after that.)
And I just found out that Bruce knows that his mother sold him out to the Joker. Which makes this a hundred times worse. Bruce brought Jason here knowing it. Madness, madness, madness. Jason knows that Bruce knows too and do you think that hit him like a truck.
And this will be the second time this happened to Jason, what do you think he felt when he realized that he've walked right into that trap twice. Not only so, Bruce was there in adift too, and his role was the hero, someone who supposed to come to rescue but failed to. Now, Madgala Valley, Jason saw Bruce shifted from the role of a failed hero, but is still a hero, to the role of the parent who betrayed him. He saw Bruce shift from someone who once played the role that came to rescue him to the role of the one that actively took action to led him to his death. The horror. And Bruce, playing into the role, knowing he's playing into it.
This, Jason? You forgave him after this?
We'll never learn.
Now that everyone is discussing Nolan's Odyssey movie, I feel like it's a good time to let non-Italians know that the production dumped plastic props into the Italian sea. Weirdly enough I could not find any article in English about it but it's a fucking problem nonetheless.
I might translate this article later today. This one was the most complete one, even in Italian news it's not talked about that much.
Non è la prima volta che la produzione solleva un vespaio in Sicilia. A Lipari una squadra di sub sarebbe però già impegnata a bonificare i
They dumped plastic skeletons in environmentally protected areas, against the literal contracts they had to sign to get the permits to film in environmentally protected areas. Like they not only did a bad ecological thing that freaked out some divers, they literally broke environmental protection laws and their contract with the Italian government
Can everyone who makes video content do a Deaf bitch a favor? Watch your shit with the captions on and the sound off, and then do another round of editing to fix things including but not limited to:
Captions cover the spot on the screen you put the information I need
The dialogue is captioned but not the song you have playing that the dialogue is responding to
You only captioned the person on the screen, not the person off screen who is also talking
No captioning of critical sound effects (alarms, bells, dogs barking, etc)
Speakers are not labelled at moments where it is not clear on the screen who is talking.
Captions cover the spot on the screen that you put the information I need!
Other d/Deaf people welcome to add.
This post brought to you by the fifth video tutorial I could not follow because the bad, auto-generated captions covered what I was trying to watch today.
when people mistake Jason's "I can do this crime, but you must die" ethos as him wanting to kill all criminals + not an evolution of Post-Crisis Jaybin's belief that what mattered was not legality but harm + victimisation. Oughg. he's not Helena Bertinelli, he doesn't think criminals are all scum who deserve to die b/c unlike Helena, he wasn't victimised by criminals. He was victimised by structural inequalities + the institution (+ institutional ethos) of heroism.
practicing self care less out of self love and more for the sheer logical reasoning of it’d be kinda stupid of me to expect myself to be able to function without proper maintenance
“oh i don’t deserve rest and relaxation, i haven’t done enough, i haven’t earned it” and my car’s breaks don’t deserve break fluid because they aren’t breaking well enough to earn it. that’s what you sound like!!!!!
yeah man, its almost like you should visit this place more than once a year. its almost like you should try making room in your batman schedule to visit bi-yearly. tri-yearly, even. gosh i wish there was a character who took it upon themselves to focus on crime alley for the entirety of their vigilante life. man itd be awesome if they were real. its be so cool if they did that and werent kicked out of the city. gosh, shucks, ugh, hm
Intelligent alien species based on bugs but specifically those moths that don’t have mouths and only live for a week after they pupate. This species’ whole conscious life is actually in the larval phase; larvae are the ones considered people, larvae are the ones with conscious and complex brains who build society, and each instar of the larva is treated as a different phase of life. Larvae become emotionally and socially and cognitively mature without ever becoming sexually mature. When they pupate, they metamorphose into something different and strange and close to mindless, with no mouth and no digestive system, whose only instincts are to mate and then quickly die. Metamorphosis is treated, functionally, like a person’s death, and the imago phase is a kind of proto-afterlife of majestic flight and the continuation of the species. Birth and death inextricably intertwined. Sex is not something people do during their lives, it’s a thing that is done as an imago after you’ve passed on from your life but before you return to the soil in death. Resultant eggs are collected by family members to raise. I think this would be fun.
