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emperor kuzco was clearly gay

hes 19, with unlimited power, and he ain’t got a gf. the only time we see him interact with any women his own age is when he’s rejecting like 7 of them rapid fire. he pretends to date pacha in a gag that lasts like 10 solid minutes. listen to me god damnit

qqueenofhades

Okay, but just in case anyone is coming to tumblr dot com for my hot takes on 20+ year old kids’ movies: Kuzco super WAS gay (or at least coded as such) and of course, I didn’t get it until I watched it as a gay grownup.

He is played obviously camp and dramatic, for a start, and there is the aforementioned “hate your hair/not likely/yikes yikes yikes/let me guess you have a great personality” summary dismissal of all his potential brides. Then he spends dinner asking Yzma about Kronk (“so he seems nice? He’s what, in his late twenties?”) and otherwise being slightly obsessed with him.

Then there is the whole Adventure of Doom with Pacha, him being ever huffy about the Kiss of Life, and then the restaurant gag where Kuzco takes to playing Pacha’s fake wife and dressing up in ladies’ clothing with great gusto (reinforced by the waitress’ “bless you for coming out in public” remark when Pacha says they’re on their honeymoon). Then when he is finally de-llamafied, we don’t see him paired off with the obligatory girl from the lineup earlier, as might otherwise be expected in a Disney movie. Instead he is still single, but goes to found family it up with Pacha, Chica, Kronk, etc, which dare we remark is a very queer trope.

In short, I have no idea how a Disney movie with no white people (all the characters are Indigenous/people of color), a gay king, cross-dressing jokes, and the most offbeat plot of all time actually ever got made (can you imagine the Family Friendly Mouse doing that today? Let us also talk about Kronk because he is a brilliant deconstruction of both toxic masculinity and the musclebound henchman stereotype.) Other than that this was the Chaos Hour of animated movies in the late 90s/early 2000s, and yes.

So yes. There you have it. I will not be taking criticism at this time.

flavinbagel

In response to the question “How did a movie like this get made at all much less by fucking Disney?” there was a recent Vulture article that outlines the whole shit show of a history behind this film according to everyone (writers, directors, VAs, Stings) involved. The gist of the story is that they fucked up making a whole, true-to-form Disney musical that never came to see the light of day SO BADLY that Disney switched directors, locked the writer’s room, and didn’t review a single script until weeks after the film was in theaters.

Please, read this article if you have some time. This story is wild, and involves directors being pitted against each other Bake-Off style and a shockingly intimate documentary created by the wife of Sting who, himself was heartbroken by the decimation of the songs he wrote for the film including cutting a fantastic Yzma villain song sung by Eartha Kitt that is SO DAMN GOOD but would not ever have fit the more nailed-down Yzma we would eventually come to know and love. It’s so catchy though, I’m doubling up on calls to action but please listen now:

theterriblethingabouttulio

holy shit read the article. it’s worth it and completely batshit

kat-witha-k

This is fucking insane

brightlotusmoon

mod2amaryllis

I’ve never adequately appreciated the batshit brilliance of this joke, I’ve taken it for granted

femboy-fever

What if I don't want to leave Texas? The only option for LGBT+ southerners should not be, "Just move somewhere else."

I don't have any attachment to "somewhere else". I don't have a community "somewhere else". I have to start from scratch "somewhere else", and that should not be my only option. That should not be the option people in big, northern, liberal cities give me whenever I talk about the political climate in the south.

I want to make the south safe for me and mine, not abandon it entirely. This is my home. These are my roots. We should be focused on making these places better, not writing them off as a lost cause.

femboy-fever

I love the food. I love the boardwalks. I love the bluebonnets. I love the longhorns. I love the woods and the fields. I love the lakes and the ocean.

Sure, the weather sucks, but there is still so much I love about Texas. There are still so many reasons for me to stay and fight for it.

You aren't morally just for painting us all as bigots, celebrating our suffering, dehumanizing us. You aren't helping when you tell us to leave behind everything we've ever known and loved. You aren't better than us backwards backwoods hicks.

You're just a different kind of bigot.

mizworldofrandom

nothing-more-than-hot-leaf-juice

Iroh: so Toph, what are your goals in life?

Toph: I’ve been banned from every major city’s transportation system except Omashu

Toph: I don’t know what their limit is but I will fucking find it

probsjosh

King Boomie, having exactly zero limits:

theotheristhedoctor

Unstoppable object meets immovable force

gaangarang

[Toph eventually slips up and is captured by the city guard force. Instead of being imprisoned or exiled, Toph finds herself being given audience with the King of Omashu.]

Bumi: Well, well, well. It seems I have finally met the troublemaker who has been causing such chaos with my rail systems.

Toph:…

Bumi: I must say, I am thoroughly impressed with your earthbending abilities. You remind me of myself when I was a lad.

Toph: Get to the point.

Bumi: I see great potential in you, Toph Beifong. I want you inherit my title once I am no longer fit to rule.

Toph: Wait what the fuck

out-there-on-the-maroon

Why wasn’t this Toph’s future instead of becoming a freaking cop. This would have made so much more sense.

gallusrostromegalus

My favorite part of this is “when I am no longer fit to rule” because

1. Implying Bumi was fit to rule at any point

1.1 except maybe in the sense that he was completely shredded

2. That he has no plans to die, (nor would death necessarily make him unfit to rule), but that he apparently intends to like. Tuck his arms and legs into himself and just roll off into the sunset.

3. Given that the Earth Kingdom has an actual ruling family that causes some drama in LoK, Toph continuing to cause monarchy confusion is both 100% in character and fucking hilarious.

definitelynotaminion

Toph takes over as King Bumi the second and everyone is like “no that’s not how inheriting works” and Bumi is like “No no she’s right, I did say “inherit my title!”

aromantic-angel

When toph is no longer fit to rule, she instills bumi (Aang’s son) as her heir and he is known as bumi 3.

catflowerqueen

Her first act as ruler is to ban herself from Omashu’s transportation system, thus fulfilling one of her life goals.

silkirose

daily-pokemon-family

(I AM REPOSTING THIS BECAUSE I LOVE HALLOWEEENNNNN FINALLY THAT TIME OF THE YEAR

callese

refseek.com

www.worldcat.org/

link.springer.com

http://bioline.org.br/

repec.org

science.gov

pdfdrive.com

thebeautifulcomics

Here (1989) by Richard mcguire (raw magazine)

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

the timeline shown by exploring just a few character pages of the strawberry shortcake wiki is a good reference point for the way capitalism destroys art

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

for some reason this one hits the hardest, like they were clearly working within the confines of a smaller animation budget in 2007 or whatever that first one is but they were adapting to it and then bam it hits figurative netflix and shes someones niece ashley. im sorry sour grapes

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

everyone saying they get what the designers were thinking but x is missing the point. this is fucking strawberry shortcake. it serves no purpose in culture other than cute maximalist designs of children based on desserts that are sometimes converted to good smelling dolls. when it becomes a streamlined animation property like this all the premise of the franchise strawberry shortcake is gone it's a shell of a shell do you see her face? she can't even cry

icaruskey

This isn’t maximalist design though. This is late 2000′s emo aesthetic.

The wiki you got your images from even calls her “punk.” And the cartoon would be aimed to an audience of kids who would see older kids/tweens dressing like this and it would evoke a certain style and attitude in their mind. Which is exactly what the new iteration is doing.

From the wiki:

The 2021 version is monotone, bland, and mostly mute, although she does show some emotion now and then. She rarely speaks with a thick Australian accent.

In the series, she has became an antagonist and along with Bread Pudding and Raspberry Torte she passively participates in with these two's schemes to get Strawberry to leave the Berryworks. When doing the Mean Berrie's plans, she honestly seems neutral and apathetic about it, and just acts as a follower to Raspbery. She doesn't actually have a strong opinion about Strawberry being in the Berryworks, and just doesn't care. She is very expressionless, quiet and a bit cold.

You know what helps get that across visually? Her current design. She’s not crying because she doesn’t give a shit OP, not because she can’t.

While I’m at it, let me show some further proof that Strawberry Shortcake’s character designs aren’t the harbinger of how capitalism destroys art (I mean, not in the way OP is saying at least).

Here’s Strawberry Shortcake’s original design from the greeting cards:

And here’s her cartoon design over time, starting with the 1980′s version based off the ‘78 greeting card and rag dolls.

You notice anything? While the 1980 version stuck close to the original design, 2002 onwards began to emulate fashion trends in the time era they were from. Don’t believe me?

Here’s Ashley Tisdale from 2005

And here’s her character on The Suite Life of Zack and Cody

Let’s look at another example from about the same time period of Sour Grapes, Blueberry Muffin

Here’s the 2009 version

And just some quick proof that this would be the same era as the Sour Grapes OP lauds

And now Blue’s 2021 version

Idk about you guys, but I’d say that the 2021 Blueberry Muffin has a lot more character individuality compared to her 2009 counterpart. Esp when you notice that all three designs I’m showing from around 2009? Striped leggings and some sort of hair accessory that is their fruit. At least this Blueberry Muffin evokes the blueberry with her actual hairstyle.

And it’s not just these three. The character designs for the 2021 versions all make the characters look visually different

They’re not all drastically different from each other, but we do see models with slightly different heights, body shapes, and even a couple of face shapes. Plus everyone’s outfit is entirely unique to their character and at a glance you might get a sense of what each kid is about. Let’s compare these designs to the older ones.

The closest we can get to Limon Chiffon is Lime Light from 2007

And she was from a continuity where Sour Grapes was an adult so

Orange Blossom

Lemon Meringue

Oh look, every 2009 version that OP holds up as maximalist design? All have similar body types, face shapes, and aesthetic choices, including literal hair pieces that are just fruit. Also, sorry, but I wouldn’t consider Lemon right there “maximalist.”

This is the trap of cherrypicking. You end up missing the context of a greater narrative and while there is a point to be made about capitalism destroying art, with the degradation of animation as a specific example, you built the idea off of sand.

You want to talk about how animation is being stifled? Talk about how places like Disney and Netflix and Cartoon Network will axe loved projects to not properly pay their employees or because they’re not selling toys or because it’s bringing in the wrong audience. Talk about how it’s becoming harder to see a variety of art styles because between the need to have things turned around quickly and cheaply makes it impossible for many animation teams to tinker with the tools at hand to make shit beautiful. Flash animation is pretty damn great for rigging, but it sucks that its true potential isn’t being delved into more.

And don’t forget to uphold and fight for beautiful animation with unique storytelling choices that maybe take an established franchise and twist it on its head (or, you know, totally new ips)

And remember, if you’re going criticize a certain franchise, make sure that someone who knows nothing about the franchise can’t take no more than 15 minutes to dig into a wiki and see how bullshit a point you made is.

Or maybe if you really want to go back to SS maximalist goodness, compare it to the OG

tl;dr bring back my disco queen

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

shut the fuck up i'm not a damn essayist i wasn't calling the first one maximalist and i know what 00s emo culture looks like, im saying maximalism is the essence of strawberry shortcake. and that shit in the animation industry you want me to "talk about"? that is what i'm talking about and everyone else in the notes understands that. youre the one who failed to make that connection

icaruskey

I was using your words here. You are the one who used Sour Grapes as an example of maximalism here, not me. You are also the one who chose to use the 2009ish version of Strawberry Shortcake designs versus any others. Like seriously. How is late aughts emo culture supposed to stand up to this?

Like here’s pure maximalist right here. But you went for low hanging fruit (lol) by comparing a complicated character design -- that was only complicated because of the inspiration it was derived from. Comparing late 2000′s cartoons to modern day cartoons reeks of nostalgia bait you know? It’d be like me taking the OG Pokemon movie and declaring modern day Pokemon to be a travesty because that was my childhood touchstone.

My point is, you have a good thought here, but you picked, again, the worst possible example imo. With what the Netflix version of Sour Grapes is apparently trying to do actually fits the character design she has, and there are clever little touches the animators are doing with other characters like Blue’s blueberry bun.

As for your notes, I’ve gone through them and while yes, the do seem to agree with you, I can’t help but notice that there’s a scattering of what is/isn’t ruined. And a total lack of anything that touches on why the animation industry is metaphorically shitting itself. Which you claim to be your ultimate point?

You did a bad job by picking a poor, easily picked apart example that

A. does not stand up to scrutiny when taken within the greater scope of the show’s character designs (seriously. I point again to Lemon from the same time period of your preferred Sour Grapes. The new version of Lemon may not have literal lemons plastered over herself but her character is far more easy to read and she has *things*! which are part of maximalism! to have things!) and

B. does not apparently express what you wanted your thought to be. Because you yourself are saying that this was your intended point of this post:

that shit in the animation industry you want me to “talk about”?

Disney and Netflix and Cartoon Network will axe loved projects to not properly pay their employees or because they’re not selling toys or because it’s bringing in the wrong audience. Talk about how it’s becoming harder to see a variety of art styles because between the need to have things turned around quickly and cheaply makes it impossible for many animation teams to tinker with the tools at hand to make shit beautiful.

If that’s the point of the post why isn’t it actually being discussed?

And here’s a reminder lovey. If you don’t like getting your stuff picked apart like this by someone who was bored and had a few minutes to spare, you can always block me. Then poof, there goes everything I say on the post, and you get to continue to discuss how character design has dropped from the early aughts to now.

You don’t have to write an essay to make a simple point. You should, however, put a bit of thought into it if my deconstruction of your argument pisses you off so much.

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

you didnt deconstruct my "argument" bro you posted a spiderverse gif and a bunch of bullshit on my text post. and i could block you but there are roughly 194830 other venerable alumni of picrew university who would vomit these exact words on me, it would be like blocking a single ant. thats all i want you to understand

icaruskey

I hate to tell you this (a lie) but you clearly need your eyes checked. Last I checked my own artwork isn’t a picrew.

This would, however, explain why you can’t read.

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

oh sorry. alumni of steven university

icaruskey

Steven Universe doesn’t own the rainbow OP.

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

seems i didnt make myself clear enough, i'm saying your art style is indicative of the fact that youre writing rambling paragraphs so irrelevant and stupid that they border on nonsensical debating the proper critique of the animation industry in fucking 2022

icaruskey

Oh I see. So how does this read to you then?

I sure hope it tells you I’m a slut, because I am ;-)

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

huh

icaruskey

I’m a book artist and printmaker. Digital art isn’t my forte, so I thought I’d make sure you were working with complete knowledge of my skills.

Which, you know, you didn’t do yourself.

canthaveshitingotham-crucified

no i wanted to talk about the other part

ribustol

yall are genuinely insane. keep up the good work

one-time-i-dreamt

NOT A DREAM

Did y'all know that the USA mullet championship was a thing?

one-time-i-dreamt

I am sorry BUT IF EPIC ORTA DOESN'T WIN... WE RIDE AT DAWN!

This is possibly the coolest kid I have ever seen and him and WD are making me rethink hating the mullet.

one-time-i-dreamt

If Cash McCoy and Epic Orta don't absolutely shatter their divisions🤌

one-time-i-dreamt

Not me registering to vote just so I can give Epic my daily vote, it's that serious.

one-time-i-dreamt

There are four divisions but for some reason the femullet category only had a few contestants last year and significantly less votes.

Not to mention that Mad Dog Durban was absolutely robbed! Only a finalist?

hallypatton

Can we take a moment to appreciate how androgynous of a haircut the mullet is?

kisstheashes

We can never escape

superdesign64

so one of Brazil’s biggest newspaper just posted about this mullet championship and i’m now convinced one of @one-time-i-dreamt followers is an important journalist here

Serão divulgados os 25 finalistas na sexta-feira (19)

one-time-i-dreamt

This trended majorly on Twitter so I think it's because of that and not me, but I do love Brazil!

As I grew up with my grandparents, we always watched novelas while eating lunch after the Croatian news at noon.

Some of my absolute favorites were Brazilian novelas. Sinhá Moça was one that I remember to this day.

thealphapigeon

Birds building nests in unconventional locations, unknowingly generating breathtaking symbolism and visual art > literally anything hollywood can hope to achieve

agayconcept

only-tiktoks

laughingfish

Better than 3 seasons of BBC Sherl*ck

teaboot

Cold open to the hottest new procedural crime show

sabrebash

If you follow Selmers to the poetry society meeting in Night In The Woods, this is her poem. I loved it and the themes of the game, and wanted to use it as practice to see if i can control the way readers ‘hear’ the words through images.

fullmetalfisting

God can you imagine if Donald Trump became president? There’d be like a new bubonic plague and he’d be like “idk drink bleach about it”

fullmetalfisting

Throwback to when I took acid for the first time in 2013 and predicted the events of 2020 like the fucking oracle of Delphi

Holy shit

welcome-to-green-hills

AGENT STONE AGENT STONE AGENT STONE AGENT STONE

“Only you can rebuild my glory on a mass scale...”

Dr. Robotnik, Sonic Pre-Quill Comic

Ask and you shall receive, my friend! I’d like to give you a fair warning on the layout of this story is meant to connect with another. I think that most of these are supposed to end like a chapter book rather than it being its own story. Anyways! Here’s Agent Stone’s story on how he got the Mean Bean Coffee shop!