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Thought crimes of course aren’t real but uh. We know those aren’t just thoughts anymore once you’ve posted them publicly, yeah?

Then they’re just crimes.

sure, fictional crimes since nothing happened and no one was hurt. should we put the fictional handcuffs on? "sorry, you wrote about murder which is illegal, go spend 20 years in mind jail"

lustcannibalism

y'all make so much more fuss about shit in fanfiction than crimes in real life

willgrahamscock

@sylveriasarcana nailed it

osterby

It's *about* the bullying. It is not and never was about the morality of depicting cannibalism or whatever in a work of fiction, it's about making up an excuse to get away with attacking people on the internet, often because "they're queer" is no longer a socially acceptable reason for violence in fannish circles.

#fandom #fandom discourse #purity culture #im so mcfucking tired of this discussion #fiction is a safe way to explore every which scenario in a safe way _because its fiction_#i wish antis and whatever else they're fucking called cared as much about real victims as they do fictional characters #*reference that one meme of someone going 'literal child are you alright?' pointing at a fictional character*#i promise you the pixels on the screen are in fact alright #find an actual irl problems to worry over and maybe try fucking help out people instead

angela132132

With twitter basically on fire following the drop of that google doc that reliability pointed out a way to tell which fics are written with claude ai, i think it's important to do more than just condemn the authors immediately

× acknowledge that part of the problem is celebrification of fic authors

× acknowledge that commodification of fiction is becoming ever more prevalent

× acknowledge the increased pressure on authors from people who completely ignore fandom etiquette nor add to it

This does not mean they shouldn't be held accountable. Just that we should also take a long look at what fandom has become and educate them to be better

angela132132

Okay so I've been watching the fallout with some interest.

Firstly, the code reliability picks out use of Claude AI with 0 percent false positives because it literally looks at the code.

2nd is that it will only pick up on it when the code is posted directly from the AI into AO3 box (whatever it's called) and I don't quite remember if that's affecting rich text or the other one. This is simply wild to me because it means the 'authors' didn't even bother to arrange it in docs first. Apparently.

3rd it's unfortunately a very easy fix because you just need to edit the code so many of the works have already been edited ro rectify it.

4th is obviously the fact that the code could only catch instances like the above so someone posting to docs first would not be noticed.

The response has been fascinating too.

If you use Threads it's largely and echo chamber of 'we don't care we just wanted to read the story how dare you do this my fave story is now unavailable/deleted/the author won't finish it'

Which just comes back to creation of fanfiction being treated with a consumer's mindset fiest rather than labour of love.

Twitter seems a bit more divided or maybe I just get recommended more of the takes I'm inclined to agree with which is - yes it's bad to use AI, yes it's bad not to disclose the use of AI and no, only using AI for 'translation' does not make it okay.

But there is still a good portion I've seen which defends the authors' use of it and declares that they don't care, calling it a 'witch hunt'.

My brother in Christ, if it looks like a witch and talks like a witch that doesn't mean it's a witch. But if it also floats in your neighbours garden while casting spells, well draw your own conclusions.

Another amusing aspect has been the reactions of the authors that got caught.

So far I've seen:

Twitter profile set to private

Works scrubbed, pretending innocence

Deleted/hidden works

And blaming their Beta readers

All this to say, fandom commodification is bad. AI is bad for many reasons. And also people have really lost the plot

mnwwowovo

Im just hoping this doesn't cause people to falsely accuse people of using ai and doesn't prevent people from sharing their works

angela132132

The original source which is this google doc

explains everything quite clearly and concisely.

But just to clarify:

The method uses 0% false positive rate. This is because ir pulls information directly from ao3's HTML source code. If you didn't use or hid the use of AI it literally will not show up.

Additionally, by 'hiding AI' I mean that if they first posted the Claude text into Word/Google docs/notes app or removed the code through some other means and then posted it to AO3's box it will not show up.

As such, there is currently no way to know if someone did use AI for their work, unless this tool explicitly showed it, as all it does is read the publicly accessible code.

If you meant to say that even without an indication that the work was produced by an AI the authors will still get accused of using it, then unfortunately, that is already happening (ive seen plenty comments that say 'it seems like it was written by AI' whether deserved or not). Unfortunately there is no reliable tool to check for that with 100% certainty.

Treating what is supposed to be a hobby you do out of love like fast food and something to be done asap just for that dopamine hit is the problem. Putting authors on pedestals is a problem. Commodification is a problem.

This tool is not a part of the problem.

#ai discourse #claude ai #fandom #fandom discussion #fandom discourse #use of ai #long post #it is wild tho how widespread of an issue this has uncovered #there have been so many more people using this than what i thought #damn

angela132132

× acknowledge that part of the problem is celebrification of fic authors

× acknowledge that commodification of fiction is becoming ever more prevalent

× acknowledge the increased pressure on authors from people who completely ignore fandom etiquette nor add to it

This does not mean they shouldn't be held accountable. Just that we should also take a long look at what fandom has become and educate them to be better

angela132132

Okay so I've been watching the fallout with some interest.

Firstly, the code reliability picks out use of Claude AI with 0 percent false positives because it literally looks at the code.

3rd it's unfortunately a very easy fix because you just need to edit the code so many of the works have already been edited ro rectify it.

4th is obviously the fact that the code could only catch instances like the above so someone posting to docs first would not be noticed.

The response has been fascinating too.

If you use Threads it's largely and echo chamber of 'we don't care we just wanted to read the story how dare you do this my fave story is now unavailable/deleted/the author won't finish it'

Which just comes back to creation of fanfiction being treated with a consumer's mindset fiest rather than labour of love.

But there is still a good portion I've seen which defends the authors' use of it and declares that they don't care, calling it a 'witch hunt'.

Another amusing aspect has been the reactions of the authors that got caught.

So far I've seen:

Twitter profile set to private

Works scrubbed, pretending innocence

Deleted/hidden works

And blaming their Beta readers

All this to say, fandom commodification is bad. AI is bad for many reasons. And also people have really lost the plot

#fanfic #claude ai #fandom discourse #fandom discussion #twitter meltdown #use of ai #long post #absolute bonkers tbf

× acknowledge that part of the problem is celebrification of fic authors

× acknowledge that commodification of fiction is becoming ever more prevalent

× acknowledge the increased pressure on authors from people who completely ignore fandom etiquette nor add to it

This does not mean they shouldn't be held accountable. Just that we should also take a long look at what fandom has become and educate them to be better

#fanfic #i have no time i might qdd more later #claude ai #ai is shit #fandom discourse #fandom discussion #personal

allthingswhumpyandangsty

sometimes I’m reminded that there are still people who don’t know ao3 was literally created by incest shippers — and the site’s sole purpose is to 1. be completely against censorship and 2. host all kinds of dark, taboo fics that are banned on other platforms — and the first ever fic that was posted on ao3 was a fic about an incest ship from supernatural.

you are in the house that was created by freaks. for freaks (affectionate). every disgusting thing you can think of is rightfully allowed and welcomed on ao3, because they are exactly the reasons why ao3 was created in the first place.

ao3 was created because its creators got tired of censorship, they got tired of dark and taboo fics getting banned on pro-censorship platforms, and they wanted a place that was safe for ALL FICS THAT WERE DARK AND TABOO.

ao3’s main principle is being against censorship and being proship / profic.

there are some things in fiction that make me uncomfortable, but instead of shaming people who are just minding their own business and not harming anyone in real life, I choose to curate my own internet experience by blocking/muting what I don’t want to see. ao3 has excellent tagging system, so instead of being a bitch, use their tagging system properly and you won’t see the things you don’t want to see.

it’s your job to curate what you see. it’s not other people’s jobs or responsibilities to censor themselves for your personal comfort. the world does not revolve around you.

also you cannot censor “only the things you personally hate” without expecting everything else, that isn’t of conservative beliefs, to be censored too. because censorship is a slippery slope and a fascist tool. I promise you there are people who think “why do tags for queer love even exist on ao3? they’re grooming children”.

if you allow the things that you hate to be censored — because someone with enough power gets to control what other people can and cannot create/consume, it will not stop at the things that you hate.

*illustration by sillyalexnorris

derinthescarletpescatarian

Also, this isn't really relevant to the main point here, but this is such a weird example when plenty of publicly available and often quite popular novels, tv shows, and songs have incest in them. I have a song on my phone called The Incest Song. Game of Thrones was massively popular. Chinatown was so impactful that that specific scene was parodied absolutely everywhere.

#always remember kids:#censorship is not a scalpel it's a gun!#proship #profic #fandom #fandom discourse #to be fair though people like op in the tweet dont care for our reasons they just want to complain #i read thru the original discussion under the thing and all they're interested in doing is staying in the echo chamber with those #who hold the same views so they can look down on the rest of us with contempt #they also thinks that makes them better than us #but will that make them stop using ao3 and/or make their own site?#no of course not #because not only are they hypocrites #when they try making an offshoot archive none of them can ever agree where to draw the line so the whole thing implodes on itself #dont forget. censorship starts with things that most people arguably could get behind #'you want to protect the kids don't you? well don't you??'#thats an excuse #they will come for the thing you like next #because the hypothetical line in the sand can be washed away and redrawn anywhere else

thekimonogallery

Tsunesono, a geiko of Gion, strikes a feminine pose characteristic of Kyomai, Kyoto’s traditional style of dance. Gion Odori. Text and image via mboogiedown-japan blog. 2006, Kyoto, Japan

#geiko #that kimono thoooo #stunning #photography

terra-nightgale

OMG I CAN HAZ TUMBLR

so yea, i made a blog and now i need to post stuff XD

flareonfloof

omg finally

terra-nightgale

i’m going to blow up everything forever.

#glad you're still alive op #vintage tumblr

basuralindo

So I just simultaneously did, and possibly didn't lose my job today :)

Very much did in the sense that I literally do not know where my job is at the moment. But, for the time being I haven't been let go because nobody else including the store owner knows where it is either.

So, I don't wanna risk doxxing myself by posting pictures but goddamn am I tempted because this is not a believable event. This is a cartoon problem. For looneytoons.

But yeah, so, I work(ed?) at a kiosk selling boba tea, right? Freestanding kiosk in the mall with full water and electrical hookups and multiple fridges and sinks and a mini kitchen and the works. Fully functional tea shop. Very important to note that it was there last night, The work chat was discussing another issue last night at closing time. I'll get back to this.

It's been showing signs of being on the way out with how business is being handled lately and I've been considering other options, which is probably why I'm not as torn up about this as I should be, but maybe it just hasn't set in yet, but that's not the point. The point is there's been a lot of shit breaking and not being replaced and nobody mentioning anything about it until I walk into work in the morning and have to figure out why shit like the fucking cash register isn't there today. So I'm kinda used to having to ask questions about big things that nobody bothered to update me on. I was out for two weeks recovering from a surgery, so I came to work this morning assuming there'd be some kind of bullshit, yeah?

So, the question I had to ask the chat this morning was:

Not a text I ever thought I'd have to send in sincerity, but there it is. Because what I found instead was a fenced off patch of discolored tiles and a few holes in the floor where my entire place of employment used to be.

And the answer? Nobody knows! It was there last night when the mall closed, and every single trace of the structure and all its contents including drink making supplies and our safe and cashbox was gone when it opened again. And when I say nobody knows, I mean everyone from last night's closers to the actual (former?) owner of the store jad no fucking clue about this until getting that text from me this morning. For once I am actually the first to know. 🎉.

So. I guess I didn't so much lose my job as had it stolen. Not by AI, but good old fashioned hands-on human beings picking it up and carrying it away somehow. All mall security would tell me was that they were instructed not to tell me anything and have us contact our management. Who also don't know anything. And later on I came across some construction workers around the gravesite of the kiosk discussing filling in the holes, asked them about it, and was told that they "weren't at liberty to say".

So, not only is my job gone in the most literal physical sense of the word, but it was taken in some kind of super secret kiosk extraction in the dead of night without any warning or witnesses and nobody is allowed to speak of it. The store owner said she was gonna figure it out 10 hours ago and still no word back.

I don't know what else to say aside from I've been laughing all day and I'm gonna have a hell of a time explaining Schrodinger's Unemployment to the benefits office.

basuralindo

Update that is not an update because I'm basically certain this isn't what actually happened:

My mother in law thinks the FBI took it.

Not any of the other stores around the state. Just the one little kiosk.

Why? Because she loves a conspiracy and is just a little bit extra.

Also because she was around for the massive crackdown on Yakuza-owned businesses in Waikiki (in her homestate) that did actually involve the FBI seizing stores (no confirmation of making kiosks cleanly disappear in the middle of the night though).

Still no word from my job on what's actually going on, but the most likely theory so far is that maybe the kiosk was on lease and got repossessed? The mystery continues

(also shout out to the person who proposed Carmen Sandiego)

basuralindo

ACTUAL (partial) UPDATE:

According to the owner, based on what she's been able to find out, the kiosk was not removed legally and they're starting a potentially long process of legal action. I hope she gets to sue the shit out of whoever did it but for now at least I know for sure I'm unemployed.

Really hoping for more details in terms of who/why/how, so I'll keep updating if I learn anything.

For now the summary is: An unnamed entity that is most likely mall management (on account of mall security cooperating with them) stole an entire kiosk and all the contents including money and machinery with barely a trace in the middle of the night grinch-style, with zero warning or explanation, and ensured the silence of both security and the construction crew, in an action that was definitely preplanned and illegal, and as far as I know nobody knows its whereabouts.

So now I'm officially out of a job. Because my workplace was literally stolen in the night.

basuralindo

Actually fuck it let's share some photos cause I wouldn't be inclined to believe this myself. It's not like anyone can stalk me at my job now and I'm not gonna have to see any coworkers that might find my tumblr.

Enjoy the unintentionally funniest text I've ever sent in my life